A good move?

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  1. W.G.Ewald

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    From an ethical standpoint or a geopolitical standpoint?
     
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    Difficult to say from the US perspective.

    My views are explained here: http://defenceforumindia.com/international-politics/25108-india-back-palestinian-bid-u-n-membership.html




     
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    First of all this reasoning
    seems artificial. That statement raises a question in my mind whether the legislative branch of the USG should be involved with issues which for which the executive branch should be responsible. She further says Palestinian membership in UNESCO would bypass the peace process. (Diplomats can say such things with a straight face.)

    So the driving motivations are geopolitical.
     
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    When I was in school, we were taught puns and examples thereof. One such example was, "A diplomat lies in a foreign country for the benefit of his own."
     
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    If you are looking from the US perspective, then it could be quite damaging to US influence.

    UNESCO is small fry, but what happens if other important UN bodies start recognizing Palestine? The UNESCO vote showed that the only major countries that voted against was basically US and Germany. Others have either abstained like the UK or voted for like France. So you can expect a similar situation in say the UN intellectual property rights group that helps the US in making sure its IP rights are protected. Or say the IEA where the atomic agency has helped the US in keeping Iran's nuke ambitions in check.

    So if the US plans to start withdrawing (by halting payments or budgetary support) from every body that recognizes Palestine, it will affect US ability to influence the multilateral organizations. And if say China starts filling the budgetary gap, then China will gain influence at the US expense.
     
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    Well, one cannot fault the US if they stop monetary assistance to the UNESCO.

    If an organisation for reasons, right or wrong, does not toe the official interests of the donor, it is not obliged to salvage it to work against the donor's interest!

    That is logic!

    It is not damaging to the US since as it is, like it or not, nations lap up her munificence and they abuse her. Take Pakistan!

    If it is be damned if you do and be damned if you don't, it is better to be damned and save money since none is grateful anyway!

    China does not throw their money where there is no rainbow!

    How many bread basket nations has China helped with expecting something in return?

    In fact, as a test case, let us see how many countries China salvages if the US stops funding!
     
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    Well, granting Palestine membership does not effect any core US interest or something that would affect the US directly. Its more specifically an Israeli interest ofcourse and there are close ties between the US political scene and Israel.

    And the multilateral organizations provide the US the ability to influence it because of its large funding. Not because these help individual countries. Think IMF, World Bank the IAEA, the International Civil Aviation authority e.t.c. All of these organisations get most of their funding from the US and listen to the US on standards or granting of loans e.t.c.

    If you are not part of the institution, you loose influence to others.

    The latimes was touching on this aspect as well
     
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    Who gets to represent Palestinians at these international fora?
     
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    That is a good question. There may be a way to be represented without the right to vote as well.
     
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    Palestine has a permanent observer mission to the UN and other multilateral bodies. It is below the non-state member status like the Vatican
     
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