2014 revealed the insecurity behind China’s economic might

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Is China as fragile as this report makes it out to be?

    Is China in a throes wherein the economy is not compatible to the aspiration and well being of all its population in all areas of China, whereby irritants overpower the economic well being of China as a nation?

    Is 'stifling' popular opinion the only way to ensure that China trots along the path of progress and economic wellbeing?

    Is China actually not seized with the realities and over reaching itself and wanting a transformation from socialism to Capitalism through 'the Chinese way' to rapidly?

    What is your take?
     
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    China is lucky that 9/11/2001 and further US preoccupied with War on Terror/Islam.Then they throw entire ME into civil war,left Afg in middle of war.Threat to US interests is minimized. Now US has only one target that is Commie China.

    Separatism,Economic collapse,Democratic protests,SCS,Corruption,India rise,Pak/NKorea headache,Ghost cities,Pollution..... wow wow wow.Acche din for China has just started :rolleyes:
     
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    That depends how you define "fragile".
    Catching a cold could be a death call for a kid but not a big concern for an adult.

    The question is: can they find a better offer somewhere else?

    It is hardly to call "stifling" popular opinion when millions of Chinese publicly criticize the government every day.

    Or maybe you didn't seize the realities and over imagine yourself?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Chinese criticise their Govt? That is a new one.

    And that too with the Great Chinese Firewall?

    It is not for me to imagine. The reality and Chinese imagining is what the author is indicating.
     
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    It is certainly a news for an Indian.

    I don't know there is any firewall can block the websites within China.

    That is why I always suggest my friends: if you want to know about the reality of a country, learn their language, don't relying on second-hand or even third-hand stories.
     
  7. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Such statement that the Chinese criticise their Govt is a new one, not only for Indians, but also the world; apart from being one for Ripley's Believe it or Not.

    You don't know about the Great Chinese Firewall since the Great Chinese Firewall seems to have blocked the articles on the subject. QED.

    Good to know that you have anointed yourself as the New Confucius of China.
     
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    You are wrong,the truth is: it will be always a news to Ray.
     
  9. Ray

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    Censorship in the People's Republic of China (PRC) is implemented or mandated by the PRC's ruling party, the Communist Party of China (CPC). Notable censored subjects include but are not limited to, democracy, the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, Maoism, Falun Gong, ethnic independence movements, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, food safety, pornography, news sources that report on these issues, unregistered religious content, and many other websites.
    http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201003250329.html

    So what do you criticise the Chinese Govt daily about?

    Concerning the Situation in the Ideological Sphere (关于当前意识形态领域情况的通报) also known as Document No. 9 (中办发〔2013〕9号), is a confidential internal document widely circulated within the Communist Party of China in 2013 by the General Office of the Communist Party of China. The document was first published in July, 2012.
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    http://www.hndj.gov.cn/html/jgdj/gzkx/2013/5168269.html

    So, give me a break.

    You can fool others, but I would rather not be fooled.
     
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    All empires and tyrannies are inherently fragile to a greater or lesser degree. Why should the PRC, which is both empire and tyranny, be any different?
     
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    Articles like the one you're commenting on can be very alarmist and seem to have a western spin at times, but at the same time hit on a deep truth. As I see it China faces many critical challenges coming up, the population demographic is a big one, democracy is a massive one as well, the spectulation on a massive credit bubble is another one. Impossible to know if the bad loans issue is as bad as the media say, the west will exaggerate and the Chinese will hide the truth so it is a big unknown.

    The next 20-30 years should be interesting, either China will manage to head on the path to doubling the America GDP in nominal terms, in which case it will be so powerful it will be able to dictate terms to the rest of the world perhaps, or one of the many challenges China faces will have a massive impact in bringing it down.

    China has taken a lot of quick gains over long term ones. The 1 child policy created a very small youth population relatively which lead to youth not needing loans for college, cars, houses and provided massive amounts of cheap credit for Chinese businesses to expand as everyone was saving for retirement. That is great in the short term but has long term consequences, much like using a credit card to buy something now. Authoritarian regimes are better at making quick changes but lack a lot of stability and mechanisms for change and venting of pressures the way democracies have.

    We're not saying China is going to explode and collapse for sure, merely that it faces many challenges and it will be interesting to see how they unfold in the future.
     

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