1962: The Nehruvian Blunder

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  1. parijataka

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    Nehru's mishandling of 1962 and lessons the Indian establishment must learn.

    1962: The Nehruvian Blunder
    By Bharat Verma

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    Pt Jawahar Lal Nehru being shown Zojila by Lt Col Sukhdev Singh , CO 1st Patiala


     
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    How does India's current PM compare with Nehru and Gandhi?
     
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    thats a good qn that deserves an answer from the resident indians - as an nri, looking at things from the outside my take is that he is moderate but no pacifist ...adequate defence while not being aggressive .....his main defence project should be to indigenise our colossal purchasing by manufacturing at home ....not sure how he scores on that ,....would be good to hear from the resident indian members on that one
     
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    there should be an "s" added to the last word of the title
     
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    A lesser fool but more shameless!
     
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    Every one knows that the present PM is weak.
    On the day china issued a statement saying," we will give stapledpaper visa on seperate paper and won't seal the passports of indian citizen in J&K and arunachal pradesh as these areas are disputed",
    The indian government should have immediately annnonced the same measures will be implemented for tibetian citizens , and should have made some noises on strategic relationship with US.

    But even when the chinese refused to accept india's northern military commander's visit as a part of the delegation,
    the present government just cancelled the visit and started to resume military to military contact after a couple of years without a protest.
    After 50 years there is still no motorable two lane road to tawang .

    What would the chinese government think about our PM's resolve?
     
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    Leaving that all aside NEHRU's myopic vision of socialism and alliance with russia was deeply exposed by the chinese.We should thank the chinese for that.
    Nehru immediately climbed down from non aligned high horse and begged kennedy for aircrafts and american pilots to fly them.

    The same kind of myopic vision once again returned on the indian leaders who blissfully continued on socialist path till 1993.It took the first real non -nehru family prime minister narashima rao to set the course to capitalism.

    The chinese perfectly timed their invasion to coincide with he 1962 cuban missile crisis and USSR ssimply washed it's hands of us.
    But there are many maniacs in this very forum who still proclaim that russia is our strategic friend and we should buy billions of dollars worth military equipment without questions to keep this relationship.

    They would not have been born when YELSTIN simply watered down the indo-soviet strategic treaty to just indo-russian friendship treaty simply saying that russia cannot assume the strategic responsibilities of the former USSR..

    much worse from nehru onwards every congress PM deeply mistrusts the indian military chief while keeping frienship with chinese leadership.
    Even today V.K.Singh was summarily thrown out of office before retirement for questioning the gravy train called TATRA-BEML jv.
     
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    If you read indian newspaper like THE HINDU you can find many articles written by left wing historians holding nheru's foolish forward policy was the reason for the war and they all depict chinese as injured angels!!!!!!!

    Never a word on how chinese cleverly timed the war with cuban missile crisis at it's peak and ran away once it was resolved won't find a mention at all!!!!

    There is one bud head TIMES correspondent named 'NEVILE MAXXELL" WHO WROTE A BOOK CALLED"India's china war"!!!!
    who will be quoted liberally by this left wing historians.

    In a recent interview with outlook


    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?282579

    This guy still peddle's the same line.Indians attacked china and chinese were angel spirited and they are the aggrieved.
    According to him there are UGHHH school and AGGH schools in britain which have different visions regarding the soverignity of china over tibet.
    He was convinced by one of these schools so he is the final authority on the matter of tibet's slavery to china.
    He boldly claims indians should give up every thing and the mac mohan line is illegal.



    In their view chinese wanted to teach a lesseon to indi.The headmaster disciplining an errand child like INDIA, and they withdrew with honour once indian's were disciplined.
     
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    “China Was The Aggrieved; India, Aggressor In ‘62” | Kai Friese

    The inteviewer was obviously very pliant, considering the stern questions posed to narendra modi why our interviewrs treat these guys like royalties is a mystery to me

    The man MAO who slaughtered millions of his country man with famine in the form of great leap forward and imprisoned 100s of thousands in the name of cultural revolution is hailed as the man who brought great development to china.

    According to the author under mao china had already become the biggest deliverer of people from poverty to middle class status by 1962 itself!!!!.

    So it was his responsibility to continue this noble job in tibet and arunachal pradesh!!!

    There can be a no bigger lie than this. MAO killed 4 million people in the famine following his policy of great leap forward driving peasants into unviable industrial products there by slashing food production. Then to cover it all he neither took steps to import food from the rest of the world as it will expose his great leap forward into the ABYSS.

    Then to quel dissent he unleashed cultural revolution and imprisoned and killes 100s of thousands ordinary chinese on the mere suspicion ,
    After seeing his glorious revoulutions the chinese communist party simply packed him off and brought back DENG who was purged and placed under house arrest by him to bring economic reform.

    But the author sings all together a different tune in the interview portraying mao as the messiah of poor!!!!


    The indians were foolishly opposing this glorious mission of MAO , and his great urge to deliver this glorious revolutions like great leap forward and cultural revolution into tibet and arunachal pradesh!!!!!

    he simply derides the prevalent economic condition of the then tibet as serf like fuedal.Totslly forgetting that whole world outside the western nations were like that only in those time.He supports the slavery of tibetians and migration of han chines into tibet and self immolation of tibetian monks are not reflective of the kind of enlightment brought by the chinese.

    SO his war on india was justified.
    The author predicted the demise of indian democracy and state in i967 election!!!!!!!!!
    Must be disappointed like hell for that to not happen.
    Worse dailies like HINDU still treat his views as gospel often quoting from his filthy book INDIA's CHINA WAr. note the mischief in the title itself.



    Totally glossing over the fact that the deng xio ping who was purged by MAO was responsible for the economic reforms implicitly admitting that the communism has failed with these famous words that 'it does not matter what color is the cat as long as it catches rat".
     
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    timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Mao-ordered-1962-war-to-regain-CPC-control-reveals-Chinese-strategist/articleshow/16851136.cms

    "BEIJING: China's late strongman Mao Zedong had launched the 1962 war with India to regain control of the ruling Communist Party after the debacle of his 'Great Leap Forward' movement in which millions had perished.

    This was stated by top Chinese strategist Wang Jisi, adding a new dimension to the conflict ahead of the 50th anniversary of the war on Saturday.

    "The war was a tragedy. It was not necessary," Wang, Dean of the School of International Studies at Peking University and member of the Foreign Policy Advisory Committee of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, told PTI here."


    But Mao had to do something to enhance his prestige. Cuban Missile crises provided the opportunity in the form of Soviet Union's obsession with the crises. According to some analysts Com.Kruschev factually nodded his head when Chinese diplomats hinted about China's intentions against India. This is only an assumption though it could have been true.

    Maxwell had a coloured view about India 50 years back and he has not bothered to reform himself. He is a jehadi of another type. He can see great virtues in the leaders of a totalitarian regime and only weaknesses in thoses nurturing the roots of democracy. Remember his prediction of no elections in India after the 4th general election in 1967 and how he had to eat crow in his own good old England for such prejudiced and precarious prediction.He must have been a fan of Katherine Mayo author of 'Mother India'( termed as report of a drain inspector by Mahatma Gandhi
     
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    Good chap.

    He is the Indian version of Peter Pan in his never-ending childhood adventuring on the small island of Neverland as the leader of his gang the Lost Boys, interacting with mermaids, Americans, fairies, pirates (and in the Indian adaptation with the Chinese and Pakistanis), with Wendy Darling, whom he recruited to be his "mother".

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    nehru become PM instead of sardar because of gandhi so we can add this to gandhian blunders list which goes miles
     
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    [video]http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/walk-the-talk/walk-the-talk-with-1962-war-veterans/251545?video-justadded[/video]
     
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    ADMIN should consider another category of LIKE called "LIKE SADLY" or "SAD LIKE " ....and when i liked nata's post ( and indeed Ray´s just above too ) both likes were of the "SAD " type

    gandhi-ji's name escapes a lot of the finger-pointing because he was more overtly spiritual and he didnt FORMALLY hold a government position in the cabinet and therefore was not personally responsible for the absolutely crazy decisions like the give away of G-baltistan and A-chin ......

    ........and i agree that the list goes miles !
     
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    one further point - should we be speaking of these nehruvian blunders as if they are things of the past ??

    my hunch ( as i am nri abroad and not in direct contact with life in india ) and to those of you home based it might not be a hunch but more rather obvious to you , that the spirit of nehru ( the blunder part of it ) is still very much alive and doing rather well even in today's india - long after he physically left us

    disclaimer : really believe me , i'm not taking it out personally on him , he was a fine man , first-class gentleman , too muchh of a gentleman - would have been a SUPERB univ professor "emeritus" or whatever but not PM nor in any defence capacity .....and the fact remains that most of his defence decisions were blunders
     
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    Dynastic congress is keeping those blunders alive and intact. :frusty:
     
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    What about the Henderson Brooks report?Is it still classified.
     
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    Yet another colourfull visual painted by Brigadier Ray. I have to get creative as well to compete with you. Enjoyed reading every bit of it.
     

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