119 warships built, naval design celebrates golden jubilee

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    by Ajai Shukla
    Business Standard, 26th Sept 14

    A day after the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) highlighted India’s scientific capability by placing the spaceship, Mangalyaan, in orbit around Mars, another milestone in indigenous design was celebrated in New Delhi on September 25: The 50th anniversary of the Directorate of Naval Design (DND).

    Even as the air force and army import the bulk of their equipment requirements, the DND has spearheaded the navy’s striking success in “making in India”. Over the last half century, it has produced 19 separate designs --- from small coastal vessels in the 1960s; through increasingly sophisticated frigates and destroyers, to India’s first indigenous aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, which Cochin Shipyard is currently building.

    “Over the years our naval ship designers have designed, and our shipyards have constructed, 119 warships,” said navy chief, Admiral Robin Dhowan, while felicitating the DND today.

    Interestingly, India was building world-class warships two centuries ago. In 1817, Mumbai Docks (today the Naval Dockyard) built HMS (Her Majesty’s Ship) Trincomalee, the oldest warship afloat, which is currently berthed in Hartlepool, UK. Mumbai Docks also built HMS Minden, on which Francis Scott Key composed America’s national anthem, “The Star Spangled Banner” in Baltimore. Also built in Mumbai was the HMS Cornwallis, on which China signed the Treaty of Nanking, ceding Hong Kong to the British in 1842.

    After independence, when the navy took the far-reaching strategic decision to build, rather than buy, its warships, a Corps of Naval Constructors was set up in 1956. In 1964, this evolved into the Central Design Office, the forerunner of today’s Directorate of Naval Design.

    Tellingly, neither the army nor the air force have their own design agency --- and they have achieved little success in indigenisation. Analysts are unanimous that the DND, with its present corps of 350 uniformed warship designers, has been instrumental in the navy’s successful indigenisation.

    Its first major success came in the late 1970s, when it designed the Godavari class frigate. For a decade before that, the DND had cut its teeth on the British-designed Leander-class frigates, which were being built in India. The last two Leanders featured modifications by the DND, especially to their helicopter deck.

    Even so, experts were taken aback by INS Godavari. A heavily armed frigate that weighed 1,000 tonnes more than the Leanders, the 3,600-tonne Godavari could actually sail faster than the highly regarded British warship.

    On 3rd April 1989, the cover of Time magazine featured INS Godavari, with a cover story entitled, “Super India: The Next Military Power.”

    Buoyed by the Godavari, the DND began developing the ambitious 6,200-tonne Delhi-class guided missile destroyer in the late 1980s. The three warships of this class --- INS Delhi, Mumbai and Mysore --- are acknowledged as exceptionally handsome warships. Their sturdy design and sea-keeping ability was also acknowledged when INS Delhi spent two days in a cyclone in the South China Sea, en route to China. Following that came the 6,200-tonne Shivalik class multi-role frigates, which saw increasing levels of indigenization.

    “I have had the privilege of serving on each of these classes of ships… As a user I can vouch (for the fact) that these are some very fine ships, very potent ships. I would like to salute the professionalism of our naval designers”, declared Admiral Dhowan.

    The DND’s golden jubilee year has seen the commissioning of three DND-designed warships --- the new guided missile destroyer, INS Kolkata; the first anti-submarine corvette, INS Kamorta; and an offshore patrol vessel, INS Sumitra. Another 41 indigenously designed warships are currently being built in Indian shipyards.

    While lauding the DND, the navy chief pointed out that more should be done to indigenize weapons and sensors --- the so-called “fight capability” of a warship. India has indigenized 90 per cent of its warships’ “float capability”, or its hull structure; and 60 per cent of their “move capability”, or engines, transmission and propellers. However, only INS Kamorta has fitted a range of indigenous sensors and weapons to emerge 90 per cent indigenous.

    119 warships built, naval design celebrates golden jubilee | Business Standard News
     
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    Dhairya Yadav Regular Member

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    if we set up design agency for navy, why didnt we setup each for Air force and Army too? If one says about Marut, it was designed by legendary Kurt Tank, not HAL.
     
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    And who was Kurt Tank working for? HAL or IAF?
     
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    i dont understand your question. Kurt Tank was german. Its basically like HAL asking another company to design a plane, but it should be built by HAL. You can call it Made in India but you cannot call it indigenous design. Then why is Tejas considered India's first indigenous design?
     
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    HAL HF-24 Marut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Do you know the meaning of a consultant?
     
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    since when did the 'consultant' started providing 90% of design specifications? Tejas is India's first design, im proud of that. But marut was a design supplied by Kurt Tank , originating from its Argentine counterpart, to HAL , which in turn did some modifications according to their specs.
     
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    Where does it written he cannot?
     
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    This is how Pakistan thinks when they say JF17 is their own design. Meaning of consultant from oxford dictionary- a specialist consulted for professional ADVICE.

    Providing an entire design is not giving advice.
     
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    Oxford dictionary deals with IP issues?
     
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    you asked me where it is written. I provided you the answer. What more do you need? It is not fruitful for me to discuss this if you are gonna decline everything. I provided you all the facts. You keep asking questions.
     
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    I was interested to know how much do you know about IP issues.

    You said this

    and I said

    As because,

    Source Bharat-Rakshak.

    So, your assertion that, why didn't IAF like Navy set up a design department, by exemplifying HF-24 marut itself was faulty.

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    And oxford dictionary only gives word meanings.
     
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    The design team headed by kurt tank was a one off only. I was talking about a permanent design bureau, like found in Russia.
    And if you are gonna test my knowledge on defence, im going to fail. Im a student only. So next time, kindly arrive at point faster and dont waste my time.
     
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    In all the inane arguments @ Dhairya & @ ladder the point being missed is that IN had the INTENTION to Make in India whereas IA & IAF has always had the INTENTION of Import to India

    IN's Intention precedes the formation of DND and the resultant higher percentage of desi weapons platform!

    IA & IAF have always had the bulk of the defense budgets so they were always the ones after whom the Arms Lobbyists ran to woe with bribe in money and in kind where as the poor IN had limited resources which ensured they got less pampered!
     
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    Earlier too some projects of OFB were headed by IA officers. Try finding out what happened to those.
     
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    IAF, IA must get its act together. If they dont even believe in our country's capabilities, how can they defend our land?
     
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    Can you throw some light on this.I am intrested to know how things shaped up then,
     
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    Dear Ladder thanks for your input but I was alluding to a proper Designing House like DND of IN not a production agency like OFB. VEry recently GoI has put an IAF officer on HAL board but still it does nt match to the impact DND makes where the end users themselves design their weapons platform..... I hope you see the difference I m trying to point out!
     
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    I was trying to say the same.
     

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