11 Dead in Shooting at French Satirical Weekly's Office in Paris

[thethinker]

Meanwhile in pseudo secular land :

 

[Hari Sud]

Where is Parveen Swami, the infamous Delhi journalist, who cast doubt on the otherwise successful Indian Coast Gaurd operation of the Gujarat Coast.

He should be in Paris to cast doubt on the French terror attack. While in Paris he could look at from an angle that it never happened or it was French military operation. Journalists like him look at facts from many different angles.

 

[Peter]

Was there any thing called 'white man's guilt' in France during those times?

I think not.
They were a proud and warlike people. France was a very conservative nation till 1792 AD ie before French Revolution. I have always liked France as they had conquered England. The current english monarchy is of GErman and French blood. @Gabriel92 might know more about this. However a Franco Norman Duke conquered England in 1066 AD. Also Charles Martel story has already been posted above. In India the Battle of Rajasthan can be compared with the Battle of Tours. If Tours was lost I think Europe would have become Islamic. :shocked:

Anyway here is what the great White Pundits had said about Tours.

The first wave of real "modern" historians, especially scholars on Rome and the medieval period, such as Edward Gibbon, contended that had Charles fallen, the Umayyad Caliphate would have easily conquered a divided Europe. Gibbon famously observed:

" A victorious line of march had been prolonged above a thousand miles from the rock of Gibraltar to the banks of the Loire; the repetition of an equal space would have carried the Saracens to the confines of Poland and the Highlands of Scotland; the Rhine is not more impassable than the Nile or Euphrates, and the Arabian fleet might have sailed without a naval combat into the mouth of the Thames. Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.[64] "
Nor was Gibbon alone in lavishing praise on Charles as the savior of Christendom and western civilization. H.G. Wells in his A Short History of the World said in Chapter XLV "The Development of Latin Christendom:"

" The Moslim when they crossed the Pyrenees in 720 found this Frankish kingdom under the practical rule of Charles Martel, the Mayor of the Palace of a degenerate descendant of Clovis, and experienced the decisive defeat of Poitiers (732) at his hands. This Charles Martel was practically overlord of Europe north of the Alps from the Pyrenees to Hungary. He ruled over a multitude of subordinate lords speaking French-Latin, and High and Low German languages. "
Gibbon was echoed a century later by the Belgian historian Godefroid Kurth, who wrote that the Battle of Poitiers "must ever remain one of the great events in the history of the world, as upon its issue depended whether Christian Civilization should continue or Islam prevail throughout Europe."[65]

German historians were especially ardent in their praise of Charles Martel; Schlegel speaks of this "mighty victory",[66] and tells how "the arm of Charles Martel saved and delivered the Christian nations of the West from the deadly grasp of all-destroying Islam." Creasy quotes Leopold von Ranke's opinion that this period was:

" one of the most important epochs in the history of the world, the commencement of the eighth century, when on the one side Mohammedanism threatened to overspread Italy and Gaul, and on the other the ancient idolatry of Saxony and Friesland once more forced its way across the Rhine. In this peril of Christian institutions, a youthful prince of Germanic race, Karl Martell, arose as their champion, maintained them with all the energy which the necessity for self-defence calls forth, and finally extended them into new regions.[67] "
The German military historian Hans Delbrück said of this battle "there was no more important battle in the history of the world." (The Barbarian Invasions, page 441.) Had Charles Martel failed, Henry Hallam argued, there would have been no Charlemagne, no Holy Roman Empire or Papal States; all these depended upon Charles's containment of Islam from expanding into Europe while the Caliphate was unified and able to mount such a conquest. Another great mid era historian, Thomas Arnold, ranked the victory of Charles Martel even higher than the victory of Arminius in its impact on all of modern history: "Charles Martel's victory at Tours was among those signal deliverances which have affected for centuries the happiness of mankind."[68] Louis Gustave and Charles Strauss in Moslem and Frank; or, Charles Martel and the rescue of Europe said "The victory gained was decisive and final, The torrent of Arab conquest was rolled back and Europe was rescued from the threatened yoke of the Saracens." (page 122)

Charles Oman, in his History of the Art of War in the Middle Ages, concludes that

" At Poitiers the Franks fought as they had done two hundred years before at Casilinum, in one solid mass, without breaking rank or attempting to maneuver. Their victory was won by the purely defensive tactics of the infantry square; the fanatical Arabs, dashing against them time after time, were shattered to pieces, and at last fled under shelter of night. But there was no pursuit, for Charles had determined not to allow his men to stir a step from the line to chase the broken foe. [I, 58] "
John Bagnell Bury, writing at the beginning of the 20th century, said:

" The Battle of Tours... has often been represented as an event of the first magnitude for the world's history, because after this, the penetration of Islam into Europe was finally brought to a standstill.[69] "
Modern Western historians are clearly divided on the importance of the battle, and where it should rank in military history;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours#In_Western_history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rajasthan

William the Conqueror - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Battle of Tours and Rajasthan.

 

[Nicky G]

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So what happened to freedom of speech now? Why should the cartoons not be reproduced?

 

[arnabmit]

Don't you know her design?

Meanwhile in pseudo secular land :

 

[Dovah]

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So what happened to freedom of speech now? Why should the cartoons not be reproduced?

Because behind all that anti-sanghi bravado is a scared little man with zero professional integrity.

Come to think of it, the outrage presented by Indian media is almost always inversely proportional to the actual threat a group presents.

 

[arnabmit]

 

[thethinker]

Don't you know her design?

Based on the Twitter bashing these "journos" are getting based on the double standards they regularly display, it is encouraging that people aren't getting fooled much by propaganda of news traders.

Social media FTW!

 

[arnabmit]

 

[Mad Indian]

What is amazing is that France was the same country that stopped Islamists when they wanted to conquer the world in 786 AD during Battle of Tours. The French even conquered the devil spawn English in 1066 AD. Also the French were one of the most crusade friendly nations. Napoleon defeated the Ottoman Turks repeatedly. It is sad to see what has happened to the French. They now have one of the largest Muslim populations in Europe and they cannot prevent them from radicalizing. Seems like TMC like parties exist in France also.

France before Napoleon was the staunchest ally of Ottoman Empire and it was so for about 4 centuries

It was actually Spain which stemmed the Islamic tide into Western Europe with its inquisition and Re-Conquista , and Austrian empire, which checked the Islamic invasions into Eastern Europe against Ottomans

 

[ladder]

I think not.
They were a proud and warlike people. France was a very conservative nation till 1792 AD ie before French Revolution. I have always liked France as they had conquered England. The current english monarchy is of GErman and French blood. @Gabriel92 might know more about this. However a Franco Norman Duke conquered England in 1066 AD. Also Charles Martel story has already been posted above. In India the Battle of Rajasthan can be compared with the Battle of Tours. If Tours was lost I think Europe would have become Islamic. :shocked:

Anyway here is what the great White Pundits had said about Tours.
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Was there any communist Soviet then which was principal opponent to 'free world' then?

 

[Mad Indian]

Just look at these terrorist appeasers!!!

French weekly has history of angering Muslims with cartoons | The Indian Express

These "Secular" bastards need this, else they will never learn! Bloody Terrorist sympathizers!

One thing I cant understand is , if these bastards think Terrorists are so cool, why dont they migrate there and live with them in peace?

 

[arnabmit]

 

[Dovah]

Love the way she says, "Anyway, condolences....." like it is so benevolent of her to have any sympathy for the kafirs that were killed. I am pretty sure she is supposed to be a moderate too.

 

[arnabmit]

Shocking liberal reactions on the French Terror Attack

 

[Mad Indian]

Just look at these terrorist appeasers!!!

French weekly has history of angering Muslims with cartoons | The Indian Express

These "Secular" bastards need this, else they will never learn! Bloody Terrorist sympathizers!

@arnabmit

There is no problem in being secular. One should not start generalizations.

However proper education and separation of educational institutes from religion should be enforced. Madrasas often teach children terrorist activities in the name of educating them.( Well you have probably seen the ABP ananda report and TMC connection behind these activities.)This should be stopped, I am not saying that one should close down educational institutes that follow a religious ideology. Even I went to an institution where the teachings of Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramhansa was taught. However the majority of our training went to maths,science etc. A similar approach should be made to turn madrasas into centres of education.

Same old nonsense as to how terrorists are uneducated? Its not like creation of bombs and pulling off a terror attack this magnitude requires any education is it? And people not educated in madarassas dont turn into terrorists?

There is something fundementally wrong with that pathetic religion. Just name it. Being politically correct idiots is not going to help anyone but the terrorists and their sympathisers(the supposedly moderate but very very silent majority?)

 

[Meriv90]

France before Napoleon was the staunchest ally of Ottoman Empire and it was so for about 4 centuries

It was actually Spain which stemmed the Islamic tide into Western Europe with its inquisition and Re-Conquista , and Austrian empire, which checked the Islamic invasions into Eastern Europe against Ottomans

Hey don't forget about Venice and Lepanto too.

But who really fought them hardly until the end were the Albanians with Skanderberg

Skanderbeg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Modalvians with stephen III

Stephen III of Moldavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and the well known Vlad III (aka Dracula)

 

[arnabmit]

 

[Peter]

France before Napoleon was the staunchest ally of Ottoman Empire and it was so for about 4 centuries

It was actually Spain which stemmed the Islamic tide into Western Europe with its inquisition and Re-Conquista , and Austrian empire, which checked the Islamic invasions into Eastern Europe against Ottomans

Yes France was allied with Ottomans for only a short time. They ditched the alliance later.
Now you got the part about Spain wrong. Spanish people killed a lot of natives in America and created mulatto population there. France was allied with Ottomans in name only. The Siege of Vienna which was another turning point in world history was won with the help of the French. Also check out Battle of Tours.

In India the Spanish-Portuguese alliance tried to create a Christian catholic state by converting all Hindus. So much for their greatness. Goan inquisition happened under Portugal which was in a personal union under Spain for 100 years. Also the present Spanish monarchs are all from French Bourbon dynasty.

 

[arnabmit]