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1971 Indo-Pak War: US involvement

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmaitra View Post
    You want to know about US role? 7th Fleet.

    Unilateral action? Umm, nope, rather tri-lateral, mainly Indian Military, but also Mukti Bahini and the Soviet Navy (they deterred the 7th Fleet).

    Pakistan is also PRC's best friend, I'm sure you'll agree to that, and in 1971, was supported by the US as well. Funny you never mentioned Pakistani dictators in your opening post. Anyways, BlackWater did the favour. Thanks BlackWater.

    JayATL, you said, "we the US made mistakes and we learn from them, dumped genocidal dictators," but I see that the US is still funding Pakistan.
    Let me understand the mighty US sent one fleet as their grand war plan to take on India or Russia. Thats what you logic reads as . the fact they did not do anything other a drive by, is not US supporting genocide. You need to learn that when we want to stop something we know how to do it.

    secondly, you seem to be hurt by Pakistan not being included. I was doing list of genocial dictators supported by china and not US. and we have learned our lesson to where we don't support Pakistan's terrorists or dictators. . We forced Musharaff to hold elections. We are funding to have them killed ( terrorist), we are pissing on their sovereignty every day...we are deriding them in public often. Pakistan is warned , talked to like a punk and told that all funding is towards Afghanistan and not to mess with India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    Let me understand the mighty US sent one fleet as their grand war plan to take on India or Russia. Thats what you logic reads as . the fact they did not do anything other a drive by, is not US supporting genocide. You need to learn that when we want to stop something we know how to do it.
    Drive by? LOL. Don't confuse Russia with the USSR. The US was scared away by the USSR.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    secondly, you seem to be hurt by Pakistan not being included. I was doing list of genocial dictators supported by china and not US. and we have learned our lesson to where we don't support Pakistan's terrorists or dictators. . We forced Musharaff to hold elections. We are funding to have them killed ( terrorist), we are pissing on their sovereignty every day...we are deriding them in public often. Pakistan is warned , talked to like a punk and told that all funding is towards Afghanistan and not to mess with India.
    Pakistan has always been supported by PRC, including, in 1971-72.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Indian View Post
    Seroiusly, you need to learn the art of arguing..... US dint support the Bengali genocide but blocked any moves against it.... So how was it any different from anything what the Chinese do right now???? Dont bring in these points.... It will make you look like a
    Not only that, (1) the US threatened to attack India if India supported Mukti Bahini and (2) prodded PRC to invade India. However, Pakistan was already a friend of PRC.

    Thankfully, USSR told PRC that they will nuke PRC if PRC invaded India and sent it's own vessels that made the US 7th Fleet scoot away from that region. The USSR also got all the Warsaw Pact countries to recognise Bangladesh's independence. On the other hand, the US Congress was critical of the genocide and did not want the US to support Pakistan, but then, Nixon was just being Nixon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    If sending a ship(s) sitting ildly and not doing anything - is called supporting genocide and equal to what china does, then I be happily know as a fool by fools. Tell us what indian military ( navy, airforce, army) move was stopped , hampered or blocked by the US.
    JayATL, I don't think you know much about what happened then, or are embarrassed to admit it, by virtue of the country of your adoption. Don't confuse your obligation to be patriotic with your obligation to speak the truth.

    When we mention US, we are not pointing fingers at the people of US. It was mainly Nixon. I appreciate the stand taken by the US Congress which was ignored by Nixon, because he thought he was smarter than the rest, just like you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmaitra View Post
    Not only that, (1) the US threatened to attack India if India supported Mukti Bahini and (2) prodded PRC to invade India. However, Pakistan was already a friend of PRC.

    Thankfully, USSR told PRC that they will nuke PRC if PRC invaded India and sent it's own vessels that made the US 7th Fleet scoot away from that region. The USSR also got all the Warsaw Pact countries to recognise Bangladesh's independence. On the other hand, the US Congress was critical of the genocide and did not want the US to support Pakistan, but then, Nixon was just being Nixon.
    and then this one time in band camp, we heard

    That what it sounds like.Like stories made up in comic books , revisionist history.

    " US wanted the PRC but the PRC was friend with the Pakistanis and the Ruskies threatened nukes. But some how the ruskies never threatened Nukes when they were being killed in Afghanistan ( who cares for actual russian lives)- BUT HEY! they certainly would have nuked everyone for India

    Funny stuff that works in yall's head. It is still baffling how you actually believe that US came with one fleet to take on everyone. after all the claim is made that they came to stop India with few ships . Brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    and then this one time in band camp, we heard
    Band camp only? So you didn't make it to a military camp, did you? Your loud and verbose comments confirm that.

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    That what it sounds like.Like stories made up in comic books , revisionist history.
    How about you sound like another deluded Zaid Hamid?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    " US wanted the PRC but the PRC was friend with the Pakistanis and the Ruskies threatened nukes. But some how the ruskies never threatened Nukes when they were being killed in Afghanistan ( who cares for actual russian lives)- BUT HEY! they certainly would have nuked everyone for India
    The Soviets actually fought a war with PRC, but then, you probably don't know that.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    Funny stuff that works in yall's head. It is still baffling how you actually believe that US came with one fleet to take on everyone. after all the claim is made that they came to stop India with few ships . Brilliant!
    Yes Sir, they had already chalked out plans to bomb the hell out of Calcutta and Visakhapatnam. However, if you want to believe they came here to take some stunning photographs of the flying fish, by all means do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmaitra View Post
    Band camp only? So you didn't make it to a military camp, did you? Your loud and verbose comments confirm that.



    How about you sound like another deluded Zaid Hamid?



    The Soviets actually fought a war with PRC, but then, you probably don't know that.



    Yes Sir, they had already chalked out plans to bomb the hell out of Calcutta and Visakhapatnam. However, if you want to believe they came here to take some stunning photographs of the flying fish, by all means do so.

    flying fish cape verde 2009
    LOL, wtf has soviet fighting a war with PRC have to do with me laughing at your statement that soviets were ready to nuke the US and that the US CAME TO A FIGHT WITH 3-4 SHIPS ONLY! no back ups, no contigency plan, no authorization from the congress to start world war 3... just a 3-4 ships :rofl:

    US had a plan to bomb Calcutta and entire India? LOL . you are cracking me up. there is not semblance of logical thinking here. This is going downhill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    LOL, wtf has soviet fighting a war with PRC have to do with me laughing at your statement that soviets were ready to nuke the US and that the US CAME TO A FIGHT WITH 3-4 SHIPS ONLY! no back ups, no contigency plan,
    Read my post again. The USSR threatened to nuke PRC if they invaded India.

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    no authorization from the congress to start world war 3... just a 3-4 ships :rofl:
    How many of the recent US invasions had authorisation of the Congress?

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    US had a plan to bomb Calcutta and entire India? LOL . you are cracking me up. there is not semblance of logical thinking here. This is going downhill.
    I am cracking you up, am I not? I am dead serious. Perhaps you are on crack, that's why you are cracking up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmaitra View Post
    Read my post again. The USSR threatened to nuke PRC if they invaded India.



    How many of the recent US invasions had authorisation of the Congress?



    I am cracking you up, am I not? I am dead serious. Perhaps you are on crack, that's why you are cracking up.
    For starting world war 3 , I would imagine even your lack of logic would agree that congress would need to approve it. Plus Nixon was no Bush to go for it without approval. he could move locations of ships, but that's all.

    USSR would Nuke a Nuclear weaponized country ( china) over India, but sat there and got killed by the thousands in afghanistan without issuing any such threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    For starting world war 3 , I would imagine even your lack of logic would agree that congress would need to approve it. Plus Nixon was no Bush to go for it without approval. he could move locations of ships, but that's all.

    USSR would Nuke a Nuclear weaponized country ( china) over India, but sat there and got killed by the thousands in afghanistan without issuing any such threat.
    World War 3? If your comments are not related to what I have written, then please don't quote me.

    It's not even funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmaitra View Post
    World War 3? If your comments are not related to what I have written, then please don't quote me.

    It's not even funny.
    war between USSR , US and China would not be called world war - Oh my...

    I'll tell you what I'm debating pure unadulterated propaganda bullshit. I can't win. Yes US came to fight everyone with 3-4 ships and were pro genocide in Bangladesh Delhi Bob.

    Off to download windows 8 and try it out!
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    The US leaded the flop SEATO of which Pakistan was a member and as per the treaty any attack upon a member nation was to be taken as an attack upon the whole military bloc, later due to the failure of Uncle to protect its nephew ultimately resulted in termination of Pakistani membership from SEATO, note that Pakistan was also the member of CENTO leaded by UK which rejected the idea of attacking India
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    war between USSR , US and China would not be called world war - Oh my...

    I'll tell you what I'm debating pure unadulterated propaganda bullshit. I can't win. Yes US came to fight everyone with 3-4 ships and were pro genocide in Bangladesh Delhi Bob.

    Off to download windows 8 and try it out!
    Ever heard about Task Force 74?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Payeng View Post
    Ever heard about Task Force 74?
    Great post.

    Here are the details:

    Task Force 74

    The US Task Force 74 was a US Navy task force of the United States Seventh Fleet that was deployed to the Bay of Bengal by Nixon administration in December 1971, at the height of the 1971 Indo-Pak War. Led by the Aircraft Carrier USS Enterprise, the deployment of the task force was seen as a Show of force by USA in support of the beleaguered West Pakistani forces, and was claimed by India as an indication of US "tilt" towards Pakistan at a time that Indian forces were close to capturing Dhaka. The Task Force withdrew from the Bay of Bengal after reports of Soviet submarines dispatched to shadow the fleet.[1][2] The Task Force number is now used by the Seventh Fleet's Submarine Force.

    Read more: Task Force 74 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Deployment of the Task force

    The Task force was to be headed by USS Enterprise (+1), at the time the largest Aircraft carrier in the world. In addition, it consisted of Amphibious assault carrier USS Tripoli (+1), carrying a 200 strong Marine battalion and twenty five assault helicopters; The three (+3) Guided Missile escorts USS King, Decatur, and Parsons; four (+4) gun Destroyers USS Bausell, Orleck, McKean and Anderson; and a (+1) nuclear attack submarine.[2] The Enterprise was assigned by the Central authority, while the other ships were assigned by local commanders.[18] Enterprise was at this time at the Tonkin Gulf area. Recovering her airborne aircraft and transferring personnel who were required to stay to the USS Constellation, she prepared to head off. The task force was delayed while the support ships refueled, it held off East of Singapore, and was ordered into the Indian ocean on 14 December.[18] crossed Malacca straits on the nights of 13–14 December and entered the Bay of Bengal on the morning of 15 December.[2] The group was required to proceed slowly, averaging a speed of 15 Knots, both to conserve fuel as well as to allow advance information on its heading.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Fo...the_Task_force
    In total, there were 10 ships. 3-4 ships, JayATL? You should be ashamed to be so ignorant yet so loud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayATL View Post
    For starting world war 3 , I would imagine even your lack of logic would agree that congress would need to approve it. Plus Nixon was no Bush to go for it without approval. he could move locations of ships, but that's all.

    USSR would Nuke a Nuclear weaponized country ( china) over India, but sat there and got killed by the thousands in afghanistan without issuing any such threat.
    1. I am surprised that you are unaware of the Power exercised by the President of United States of America. Your President is more powerful then the congress even after the War Powers Resolution of 1973.
    2. I think you had not studied cold war politics and history well, go through it you will find your answer within it. Hint is: cold war politics, Cuba missile crisis.

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