Once Taboo, Germans’ Anti-Israel Whispers Grow Louder

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    Mr. Grass has some points supporting at least partial his opinions. But interesting to see that Godwin's law is working as always.

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    what valid points are you talking about
    seriously accepting Israel is a threat to world peace
    is like blaming Poland and Czechoslovakia for the start off ww2
    in refusing to surrender to Hitler

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    The quote does not mention any Indo-German army, it projects Hitler's racist character (not that killing Jewish folks didn't already do that).

    Every quote you post about Hitler only goes further to build his racist character. According to Hitler, the Jews were of the same blood and a target. They could not even denounce their own religion, or convert out of Judaism to survive. They were targets for having "Jewish blood".

    The animal committed brutal hate crimes, a genocide of people based on nothing but simply what social group they belonged to.

    Let the Jewish people decide that.

    and Homosexuals, ones with physical disabilities and other religious groups such as the Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Hitler killed anywhere between 11 million - 17 million people; of whom 6 million were Jews.

    And besides that fact, it is sickening to simply shrug the gas chambers off as "oh, they were only for the Jews and Gypsies, not for us".

    Indian neo-Nazis are a bad joke.

    Lucky for him to have survived prosecution.

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    It's good to see some interesting perspectives.

    Let's face it, for an Indian, it was a priority to get rid of the British. Anyone else's suffering, no matter how compelling, cannot have and could not have had a greater importance than freeing India from the British.

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    I think you should read the poem instead of basing your opinion on what the media tells you. He mentions that Ahmadinejad does talk much but his actions are very scarce - because he probably know that any military conflict will lead to an Iranian defeat. With this he alludes among others to the fact that currently the only "miliatry actions" of the Iran are selling weapons, what has been done by NATO and allies in Lybia, Syria etc.
    He points out that their are currently plans and covenants for an preemptive invasion of the Iran because the Iran is "believed" to try building a nuclear weapon, while Israel does have nuclear weapons and not signed any international treaties regarding them. And this is his main point - Israel does have nuclear weapons and no international ogranization (not even UN ones) and Grass believes that a preemptive strike from Isreal is more likely, because they give a shit about international law as they have shown in 1967 and 1981.
    That he has been called anti-semitic, both by national and international media (and the Israeli government) did he predict. He criticizes that the Germans again give the Israeli navy submarines (with the capability to launch nuclear-armed missiles) for reduced-costs as "compensations". Currently Israel is to be considered a threat to the world-peace, because at some point of time the Iranians might care about the high amount of causalities in the rows of their scientists - when they then find the guilties (and most probable it's the Mossad) then the Iran can attack Israel justified by international law and morale. His poem is not "biassed" or "anti-semitic" as some people claim, he is pacifist (like the greatest majority of the Germans) and his poem is an appeal for prevention of violence/war.

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    How about no. I'll let impartial scholars with nothing to gain decide that, and they've already debunked the Jewish myth of Hitler wanting to kill all non-Germans.
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    The Aktion T4 program has nothing to do with concentration camps, and besides I agree with it 100%:

    "Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. med. Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the competence of certain physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment [menschlichem Ermessen], are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death [Gnadentod] after a discerning diagnosis." - Adolf Hitler

    Hitler never once targeted the physically disabled, many physically disabled survived the war. It was reserved for the mentally and congenitally diseased.
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    Hitler was well aware of everything Netaji was doing within the Reich. He avoided prosecution simply because Hitler chose not to prosecute him.

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    Hitler invaded all of those countries, I don't see an Iranian invasion of The Tiny State of Israel occuring.
    Stop comparing the Iranians to the Nazis and certainly stop thinking that you are in any way superior to them. Your intolerance of anything and everything that you imagine as your existential threat is a throwback to the times of Hitler and Stalin. Remember, the righteous wins the day. Don't be on the wrong side of history by invading Iran and turning the tables against yourself. Even if Uncle Sam protects you, there are limitations to such protection. And supposing the German public sentiment changes, may the Lord save you.

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    1) there is no such thing as impartial ever
    2) killing guiltless people that don't meet some random standard is dangerous
    i can offer too kill any group off people with the same rational
    we can kill all black people and ride the world off aids
    or maybe kill all the Indians and remove a third off the worlds poor

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    bullshit
    we are proud to not give a ---- about world opinion no one will fight for us and no one will die with us
    history has one rule the winners write the rules and tell the story the losers are buried in unmarked graves
    pacifist die first (no will to defend itself) and europussy attitude will destroy Europe

    p.s : many innocent Israelis died in Iranian terrorist attacks in Israel and abroad directly or by proxy
    and the price for Jewish blood is expensive we will make sure off that
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    We can kill all the Jews and see world peace, or at least peace in the Middle East. We can give their money to all the poor Indians. So many problems solved by just killing 7 million people. Easy peasy.

    Nobody is guilty, all are innocent.

    For the Bolsheviks, Stalin was their Devil. For the Jews it was Hitler. For the Indians it was the British. For the Chinese it was the Japanese and so on and so forth.

    I don't see how by proving Hitler was mean to the Jews can you prove all others were angels.

    There is no such thing as "my problem is bigger than yours."

    As an Indian, for me, Hitler is a nobody.
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    Hitler is SINGULARLY responsible for the weakening of the British Empire

    Without the Second World war ; India would have never got freedom

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    Germany is JEALOUS of Israel and the jews

    YES Jealous

    Because Israel can play the VICTIM card for ever

    Germany and even Japan DESERVES to be a P 5 UN SC member AHEAD of UK and FRANCE

    But the VILLAINS of Second world war both Germany and Japan will NOT get that status

    Sad because both Germany and Japan are still considered as RESPONSIBLE for the second world war
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    Too bad for us Indians... we didn't have white European nations to mooch off of for 2000 years. All that "Jewish" money is really just gentile money, remember that.

    At least my people have principle, and will always know that we and we alone maintain our life and homeland. We've never had to live off of handouts like beggars because we actually work hard and contribute to the world.

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    Not entirely true, Freedom movement was like the Arab Spring x 5. Everyone boycotted British stuff and also shops or work did not happen everything came to a stand still.

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    History is written by the victors

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