Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Willy2]

Is their any update about our 6 dedicated SSN project ?

 

[gslv markIII]

Launch of 1st out of 7 L&T OPVs for Indian Coast Guard will be held next month. Anybody knows which class is that and its specifications?

This is the one being built by L&T at Kattupalli shipyard...

 

[rohit b3]

Why not just Dhruv for utility choppers?

They are gonna tweak their "requirements" to make sure Dhruv does not fit in. Or how will they get their kickbacks?

 

[Adioz]

Navy issues request for information for procurement of 234 helicopters
By Shaurya Karanbir Gurung, ET Bureau | Updated: Aug 23, 2017, 01.17 AM IST
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NEW DELHI: The Indian Navy has requested defence companies for information on technologies and capabilities they have for manufacturing 123 Naval Multi Role Helicopters (NMRH) and 111 Naval Utility Helicopters (NUH) under a strategic partnership model.

The Navy’s fresh start to develop and manufacture helicopters for anti-submarine warfare and other primary operations, under the Make in India initiative, comes at a time when it faces a depleting fleet of choppers. Interested firms have time until October 6 to respond.

Under the strategic partnership model of the Defence Procurement Procedure, 2016, the two types of helicopters will be manufactured by an Indian private entity that will tie up with a foreign original equipment manufacturer. The manufacture of these helicopters will be the second such project under the model. The construction of Project 75 (I) submarines was the first project. The traditional roles for naval helicopters has been reconnaissance, search and rescue and medical evacuation.

But with the increasing capability of the helicopter its role has expanded to include anti-submarine warfare (ASW). Such choppers in ASW role fly ahead of warships, search for enemy submarines using sonar and release torpedoes and depth charges to clear the path for the fleet. Its sonar suite provides navigation, situational awareness, target data and weapon guidance. Therefore a NMRH has the flexibility of being used for any role and remains the Navy’s eyes and ears.

The Indian Navy currently uses Seaking helicopters for such multipurposes. But the Seakings procured from the UK in the 1980s will have to be phased out soon.

Source Link: http://m.economictimes.com/news/def...t-of-234-helicopters/articleshow/60179615.cms

I would have loved to see Dhruv as LUH and HAL IMRH as the NMRH.

But we are out of time as far as NMRH is concerned. We needed these yesterday and IMRH is still on the drawing board. Who knows when it will come out. However I hope this tender does not get delayed and that the winner starts churning out those choppers for IN as soon as he is declared winner. If deliveries do not begin by 2020, the tender will be better of being canceled. By then, IMRH would be up and flying. It would make more sense to wait for IMRH induction in the next couple years.

Was Dhruv considered as Naval LUH role or does is not meet the specs? BTW what are the specs?

 

[rohit b3]

I would have loved to see Dhruv as LUH and HAL IMRH as the NMRH.

But we are out of time as far as NMRH is concerned. We needed these yesterday and IMRH is still on the drawing board. Who knows when it will come out. However I hope this tender does not get delayed and that the winner starts churning out those choppers for IN as soon as he is declared winner. If deliveries do not begin by 2020, the tender will be better of being canceled. By then, IMRH would be up and flying. It would make more sense to wait for IMRH induction in the next couple years.

Was Dhruv considered as Naval LUH role or does is not meet the specs? BTW what are the specs?

Deliveries by 2020?
It takes 3-4 years for an aircraft delivery after the contract is signed. Like Apache contract was signed in 2015 and deliveries are expected to start around 2018-19.
And this is just an RFI. Then there's a tender, competition, negotiation with the winner before the contract is actually signed.
The original tender which was won by Apache was first released in 2008.

 

[Adioz]

Deliveries by 2020?
It takes 3-4 years for an aircraft delivery after the contract is signed. Like Apache contract was signed in 2015 and deliveries are expected to start around 2018-19.
And this is just an RFI. Then there's a tender, competition, negotiation with the winner before the contract is actually signed.
The original tender which was won by Apache was first released in 2008.

Is this the case only for deals where the OEM is foreign or is it true for Indian vendors as well?
All I am thinking is that the first generation products like Dhruv have given Indian industry tons of experience in design of military equipment. This needs to be leveraged. We need to reduce dependence on imports. However, the creation of second generation systems like IMRH are out of phase with the requirement of the forces. The development of these systems is beginning right when the Armed Forces are floating out RFI or tenders for replacing old platforms.

However, the Armed Forces should not have to suffer these operational shortages in equipment leading to a drop in defence preparedness. That is the dilemma. If the Armed Forces can delay some arms procurement for some (3) years, we can get an indigenous equipment ready in the mean time. But this leads to a fall in defence preparedness. OTOH, if we continue down the current path, we are going to effectively buy from foreign vendors systems that will have indigenous equivalents in testing by the time these foreign platforms clear trails and begin induction. So if, say, the NH-90 is selected, and the first NH-90 arrive in India by 2023. By then, IMRH would be getting IOC. Which means that its better to wait for IMRH. But if HAL fails to deliver (although I don't think that will happen), Navy will be left without helicopters yet again.

This is a really shitty situation to be in.

 

[bhramos]

small silly doubt

can any Submarine Commander be given Destroyer Commander post in deputation who has never commanded anything other then Submarine ???

this happen today in USA.... so i got a doubt @Kunal Biswas @gslv markIII @Adioz

 

[aditya10r]

this happen today in USA.... so i got a doubt @Kunal Biswas @gslv markIII @Adioz

Its USofA bro,a place where an asshat can become a president why not such a small thing.

PS:i dont know.

 

[aditya g]

Totally disappointed by the design. There is nothing new or different compared to samarth class OPV.

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This is the one being built by L&T at Kattupalli shipyard...

 

[gslv markIII]

Totally disappointed by the design. There is nothing new or different compared to samarth class OPV.

It's a CGOPV. What do you expect?

 

[charlie]

Hey just met a guy who installed and commissioned VLF system in vizag and worked on P15 CMS and FCS and worked on Brahmos as well.

Let me know if you guys have any questions as long as it's not classified, I will meet him tomorrow too.

 

[F-14B]

Why cant we use the hull of say the P17class to produce a deep sea cutter like that of the USCG Maritime Security Cutter, Large,

 

[sorcerer]

Two frigates of 11356 project to be finalized for Indian Navy
Two frigates of project 11356, which the Baltic shipyards Yantar began to build for the Black Sea Fleet will be finalized for the Indian Navy, the vice-president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation for naval shipbuilding, Igor Ponomaryov, told TASS.

"Two ships will be built for India and one, equipped with new gas turbine power plants, for the Russian Navy," he said, adding that the future of a second troika of project 11356 frigates being built at the Yantar shipyards was determined under a Russian-Indian inter-governmental agreement.

"We hope that when this work is over (three ships of project 11356 - TASS) the Russian Navy will order at least another two frigates of this project," Ponomaryov said.

Currently negotiations are underway on providing to India four project 11356 frigates. Earlier the director of the Rostec corporation for regional cooperation and regional policies, Viktor Kladov, said the yet-to-be concluded contracts would be based on the two plus two formula: two frigates will be built in Russia and provided to India in finished form, while another two will be built at one of India’s shipyards. The federal service for military-technical cooperation later said the Yantar shipyards in Kaliningrad and India’s Goa Shipyard would be involved in the project.

Project 11356 ships have a displacement of about 4,000 tonnes, speed of up to 30 knots and endurance of 30 days. Three such ships have been built for the Black Sea Fleet already.
http://tass.com/defense/961521

 

[bhramos]

Two frigates of the second series of the project 11356 will finish building for India.

Two frigates of the second series of the project 11356, laid in the Yantar Shipyard initially for the Black Sea Fleet, will be completed, but for the Indian Navy. TASS was told by Igor Ponomarev, vice president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation for Military Shipbuilding, during the international military technical forum "Army-2017".

"Two ships will be built for the Indian side, and one frigate will be built for the Russian Navy with new gas turbine engines," he said, stressing that the fate of the second three frigates of Project 11356, being built at the Baltic Yantar plant, is defined by the intergovernmental agreement between Russia and India .

"We expect that after the completion of the completion of three ships on the Yantar, the Russian Navy will make a decision to order at least two more frigates for this project," said USC Vice President.

At the end of June, during the International Maritime Defense Show in St. Petersburg, the Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk, told FlotProm that the second three frigates of Project 11356 - Admiral Istomin, Admiral Butakov and Admiral Kornilov,

Six frigates of project 11356 of the Ministry of Defense ordered for two contracts concluded in 2010-2011 for a total of 80 billion rubles. The project implied the use of gas turbine power plants produced by the Ukrainian enterprise Zorya-Mashproekt.

The first three ships received engines on time. "Zorya-Mashproekt" produced engines for the second three, but because of the conflict in Donbass, which broke out in 2014, Ukraine refused to transfer them to Russia. After that, the fate of the remaining two corps ("Admiral Istomin" and "Admiral Butakov", "Admiral Kornilov" was not formally laid) was discussed for several years.

Viktor Bursuk's statement about the prospects for completing the frigates for the Navy was voiced after reports that the Rybinsk NPO Saturn has made significant progress in creating its own gas turbine engines for Russian ships.

Http://flotprom.ru/2017/ForumArmy263/

 

[Innocent]

India has launched
first-ever global hunt for anti-ship
missiles with a budget of $1 billion.

www.defensenews.com/naval/2017/08/24/how-make-in-india-could-impede-indias-global-hunt-for-anti-ship-missiles/

 

[Vinod DX9]

Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine Engine
First pic is from possibly 2009 and the second one is newly surfaced
The engine has been tested to its potential of 12 MW (max possibly 15 MW) at ISA SL 35 °C condition, a requirement of the Navy to propel SNF class ships, such as the Rajput class destroyers. This has put India in the elite club of Marine Gas Turbine designers which have been achieved so far, most probably only by US, Russia, UK and Ukraine.

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

Hope this time the deal goes through under the SPP make in india model and i am sure if Sikorsky bags the deal it will be Tata which will be manufacturing them ..They are already making the cabins for the S-92 in their Hyderabad facility ...We badly need these helos most of our new ships getting commissioned are without a Helo which is a main protection from submarines...

Lets hope this time deal goes through.

 

[Vinod DX9]

LR SAM handed over to Indian Navy

 

[Prashant12]

Jaitley hands over long-range surface-to-air missile to Navy

The LRSAM was jointly developed by India and Israel

Hyderabad, August 27:
Defence Minister Arun Jaitley on Sunday handed over the Long-Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LRSAM) jointly developed by India and Israel, to the Indian Navy, at Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) here.

LRSAM is an advanced combat suit for missile defence against air targets and missiles, and has full capabilities of air and surface surveillance, threat alert and fire control.

Public sector BDL is the missile production agency for the three armed forces.

On a day of hectic activity, the minister also dedicated a first-of-i-s kind 50-tonne Rocket Motor Static Test Facility. The ₹48-crore facility for SAM (surface-to-air missile) will support the design and vendor development activities needed for production of missiles.

These efforts were hitherto shouldered by the Defence Research and Development Organisation DRDO as the development agency.

BDL is now equipped to take the responsibility on its own, which has been actively guided for realisation and establishment by DRDO.

Later, Jaitley inaugurated the ASTRA Manufacturing Unit at the BDL’s Bhanur unit. The ASTRA weapon system is an indigenously developed air-to-air Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile developed by the DRDO.

Comprising a launcher and a missile, it is designed as a BVR missile with a range of 110 km in head-on mode and 20 km in tail-chase mode.

BVR missiles are the latest in air-to-air combat. BDL has been designated as the Lead Integrator by the DRDO.

Manufacturing centre

The minister also performed the ground breaking of the phase II of the manufacturing facilities of BDL at Ibrahimpatnam. BDL had acquired 632 acres of land from the State government to establish manufacturing, testing and storage facilities for advanced weapon systems of MRSAM (Medium Range Surface-to-Air Missiles) and QRSAM (Quick-Reaction Surface-to-Air Missile).

The ₹522-crore facility will be the PSU’s future weapon realisation and delivery centre.

The facilities will meet the future needs of missile testing, and is in line with DRDO labs.


http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...rfacetoair-missile-to-navy/article9832349.ece

 

[aditya g]

Manufacture and even just assembly of the kinetic portion of missile systems is crucial to independence as the rounds get consumed or expired. Thus factories can keep running for decades.

Jaitley hands over long-range surface-to-air missile to Navy

The LRSAM was jointly developed by India and Israel

Hyderabad, August 27:
Defence Minister Arun Jaitley on Sunday handed over the Long-Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LRSAM) jointly developed by India and Israel, to the Indian Navy, at Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) here.

LRSAM is an advanced combat suit for missile defence against air targets and missiles, and has full capabilities of air and surface surveillance, threat alert and fire control.

Public sector BDL is the missile production agency for the three armed forces.

On a day of hectic activity, the minister also dedicated a first-of-i-s kind 50-tonne Rocket Motor Static Test Facility. The ₹48-crore facility for SAM (surface-to-air missile) will support the design and vendor development activities needed for production of missiles.

These efforts were hitherto shouldered by the Defence Research and Development Organisation DRDO as the development agency.

BDL is now equipped to take the responsibility on its own, which has been actively guided for realisation and establishment by DRDO.

Later, Jaitley inaugurated the ASTRA Manufacturing Unit at the BDL’s Bhanur unit. The ASTRA weapon system is an indigenously developed air-to-air Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile developed by the DRDO.

Comprising a launcher and a missile, it is designed as a BVR missile with a range of 110 km in head-on mode and 20 km in tail-chase mode.

BVR missiles are the latest in air-to-air combat. BDL has been designated as the Lead Integrator by the DRDO.

Manufacturing centre

The minister also performed the ground breaking of the phase II of the manufacturing facilities of BDL at Ibrahimpatnam. BDL had acquired 632 acres of land from the State government to establish manufacturing, testing and storage facilities for advanced weapon systems of MRSAM (Medium Range Surface-to-Air Missiles) and QRSAM (Quick-Reaction Surface-to-Air Missile).

The ₹522-crore facility will be the PSU’s future weapon realisation and delivery centre.

The facilities will meet the future needs of missile testing, and is in line with DRDO labs.


http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...rfacetoair-missile-to-navy/article9832349.ece