Civil war in Ukraine

[Akim]

Of course Russia is a capitalist state. Socialism is good, but not a single party system.

Ukraine itself is a treachery, since the Soviet referendum said most people from Ukrainian SSR wanted to preserve the USSR with some reforms.

And then there was the putsch.Do not try to fool eyewitnesses.

 

[pmaitra]

And then there was the putsch.Do not try to fool eyewitnesses.

Yes, I know, and I know that Yeltsin sieged power, just like Yats did, and later installed the chocolate seller in a sham election, while Yeltsin was elected for the second time in a rigged election.

My point is, the very existence of Ukraine is a result of treachery, so an oath to something that goes against the will of the people is not worth anything.

 

[gadeshi]

Yuri Mamchur should have defected with his men, considering his men were flying the Soviet flag.

Mamchur is miserable scummbag.
Americans with us - he yelled on this photo.
Disgusting.
He has be trated guards name and flag.

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[gadeshi]

Why? Is Russia = USSR?
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Russia is internationally confirmed successor of USSR, so...

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[Akim]

Russia is internationally confirmed successor of USSR, so...

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Succession does not equal ideology. Не наводи тень на плетень.

 

[Akim]

Yes, I know, and I know that Yeltsin sieged power, just like Yats did, and later installed the chocolate seller in a sham election, while Yeltsin was elected for the second time in a rigged election.

My point is, the very existence of Ukraine is a result of treachery, so an oath to something that goes against the will of the people is not worth anything.

@gadeshi puts like 1 Dec ' 91, he and I went to school. By your logic, it is necessary and in India part of the British Empire back then.

 

[gadeshi]

@gadeshi puts like 1 Dec ' 91, he and I went to school. By your logic, it is necessary and in India part of the British Empire back then.

India was not naive part of Brittish Empire and was not an artifical entity.
Ukraine was and is both.

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[Akim]

India was not naive part of Brittish Empire and was not an artifical entity.
Ukraine was and is both.

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No need to Dodge history.The USSR was a unitary state with certain characteristics of a Confederation. The racial issue did not stand, but the collapse of the country occurred not because of Ukraine, and in consequence of a wrong economy. Due to bad beer and bad cars.
In the Austro-Hungarian Empire had no colonies, but it fell apart.

 

[gadeshi]

Ow yeah, you should listen to your own advice and don't dodge the history
USSR was a full scale federation with all the proper attributes of this typed state.
USSR has collapsed not due to weak economy (China with the same economy has survived).
USSR has collapsed due to KGB and Communist Party elites treason and defection. Andropov and his group wanted to get rid of islamic republics, re-establish capitalism and enter EU as its biggest and strongest member.
But reality was another than their dreams, Europe is not sovereign and never been since 1945. They have lost their game, their project and our country as a result.

No need to Dodge history.The USSR was a unitary state with certain characteristics of a Confederation. The racial issue did not stand, but the collapse of the country occurred not because of Ukraine, and in consequence of a wrong economy. Due to bad beer and bad cars.
In the Austro-Hungarian Empire had no colonies, but it fell apart.

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[Akim]

Ow yeah, you should listen to your own advice and don't dodge the history
USSR was a full scale federation with all the proper attributes of this typed state.
USSR has collapsed not due to weak economy (China with the same economy has survived).
USSR has collapsed due to KGB and Communist Party elites treason and defection. Andropov and his group wanted to get rid of islamic republics, re-establish capitalism and enter EU as its biggest and strongest member.
But reality was another than their dreams, Europe is not sovereign and never been since 1945. They have lost their game, their project and our country as a result.
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You personally Andropov said?
In reality, I remember the lack of washing powder, a huge queue for the soap and sugar, in Melitopol two loaves in one hand. When you come from Donetsk to Belgorod, in the city only sold seaweed, liver sausage and canned herring.
The car was almost impossible to buy. A used Volga were more expensive new.

 

[gadeshi]

You personally Andropov said?
In reality, I remember the lack of washing powder, a huge queue for the soap and sugar, in Melitopol two loaves in one hand. When you come from Donetsk to Belgorod, in the city only sold seaweed, liver sausage and canned herring.
The car was almost impossible to buy. A used Volga were more expensive new.

You remember consequences, not causes.

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[Akim]

You remember consequences, not causes.

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There is a person needed each day. I have a simple test. Everyone is asking: When did you first take your banana? In Soviet times there almost was not.

 

[gadeshi]

There is a person needed each day. I have a simple test. Everyone is asking: When did you first take your banana? In Soviet times there almost was not.

All the things have their beginning and cause. Even banana test You were too young to understand them, but they were existing.
Generally you should read the Black Spring (Черная Весна) book by Mikhail Bakhtin to understand how Andropovs team have been killing USSR.

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[Akim]

All the things have their beginning and cause. Even banana test You were too young to understand them, but they were existing.
Generally you should read the Black Spring (Черная Весна) book by Mikhail Bakhtin to understand how Andropovs team have been killing USSR.

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I worked as a journalist and I know how to manipulate the materials. Your parents ruled the country, so tell me what your eyes have seen. When in the 89th we returned from Hungary, a lot to me was a shock. Picture TV did not coincide with reality.

 

[gadeshi]

I worked as a journalist and I know how to manipulate the materials. Your parents ruled the country, so tell me what your eyes have seen. When in the 89th we returned from Hungary, a lot to me was a shock. Picture TV did not coincide with reality.

All of the things led to collapse have started in 1974, so as I've said, you (and me either) have encounter subsequences of USSR elites treason.
Read Bakhtin (he was the guy who invented the way to dissolate Soviet people and society, not me) to see the big picture.

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[pmaitra]

Mamchur is miserable scummbag.
Americans with us - he yelled on this photo.
Disgusting.
He has be trated guards name and flag.

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I remember how it all unfolded outside the Belbek base in Crimea.

The Ukrainian servicemen came.

Warning shots were fired by Russian marines.

Russian marines restrained by their commander.

The two sides spoke.

And spoke.

While the Ukrainian servicemen played soccer.

Then, the Ukrainian servicemen left.

 

[Akim]

All of the things led to collapse have started in 1974, so as I've said, you (and me either) have encounter subsequences of USSR elites treason.
Read Bakhtin (he was the guy who invented the way to dissolate Soviet people and society, not me) to see the big picture.

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Is obtained for the entire period of the USSR was only 10-15 years, when people lived like human beings.

 

[Akim]

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[gadeshi]

Is obtained for the entire period of the USSR was only 10-15 years, when people lived like human beings.

35 years actually.
Especially when you'll compare to Western world.
And yes, those years were the period when Soviet elites have not decided to convert their power into property...

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[Akim]

35 years actually.
Especially when you'll compare to Western world.
And yes, those years were the period when Soviet elites have not decided to convert their power into property...

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When? Why would you take someone else's invented examples. Take the example of their parents and ancestors. When your grandfather got an apartment or built house? When he bought the car? Although, why so difficult. When he had a fridge and TV-set?
In the propaganda screamed of a happy life in a Communist country, at the same time my mom only ate corn bread. Sunday in the family ate sausage and candy eaten once a month.
The good life in the USSR was from the late 60s to early 80s.