Chinese Troops Intrude into Indian Territory in Ladakh!!!

[sorcerer]

I like your positive feeling and optimism.

Yeah i know..Its twice the foreplay though,but we can handle..

 

[NDY JATT]

Now we Got a reason rapid modernization making more missiles rapid infrastructure along border...........world will support us because we got reason
This is bad move from chines side very bad move........
i think China make negative image world community.....defiantly
they nothing got from us and losing many things i m sure about that...........

Oh we have all the information you just don worry about it. Don't ask for source coz I can't give you. We have all their plans everything with us. What sector is next etc. we know it all and have all info.

 

[arnabmit]

Wrong, UPA III will think that "see, we can deal with aggression diplomatically... so modernization can wait. Let's fill our pockets from the DB some more..."

Now we Got a reason rapid modernization making more missiles rapid infrastructure along border...........world will support us because we got reason
This is bad move from chines side very bad move........
i think China make negative image world community.....defiantly
they nothing got from us and losing many things i m sure about that...........

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Our english suck and hard to caught up so many posts.
Chinese fornumers are being brain washed many years we do not trust anybody and need to observe longer time,we will figure out whats happening and you guys please keep post.
Your guys topic most are India can beat us up which has been discuss more than
3years

The world saw how you were chased by Vietnamese Army. So please don't be over confident..

 

[ladder]

Water War 1?

The first deep incursion happened at Phukchey, some 240km from Leh, last July. People's Liberation Army troops suddenly appeared from behind the mountains and threatened Indians working on an irrigation canal. Work on the 3km-long canal had started in 2005, but could not be completed because of Chinese protests.
According to the defence ministry, in the last three years, there have been over 600 transgressions by the PLA along the disputed 4,057km-long Line of Actual Control. But the deepest incursion came on April 15, with the PLA reportedly entering 10km into Daulat Beg Oldi sector in Ladakh. The military establishment is also worried about China's aggressive patrolling on the LAC and its military drills, using live ammunition.
Gautam Bambawale, joint secretary in charge of China at the ministry of external affairs, was working on upcoming bilateral visits when the storm broke. There is the high-profile visit by Premier Li Keqiang, his first upon becoming premier, and the preparatory visit by Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid to China on May 9.
Post-incursion, Bambawale started the diplomatic offensive by contacting his Chinese counterpart, following which, Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai conveyed India's discomfort to Chinese Ambassador Wei Wei.
Defence Minister A.K. Antony had warned at a recent Army commanders' conference that the hardening Chinese stand on the boundary was "not likely" to change, despite the change of guard in Beijing. Antony stressed on the need "to achieve minimum credible deterrence, even while we seek a peaceful resolution of the issue." He asserted that all necessary steps would be taken to protect the country's interests in the continuing face-off in Ladakh.
"Chinese troops usually go back after making an incursion and showing their presence. But now they are increasingly coming deeper and deeper... to stake claim [over] disputed areas," a military officer said. He described the situation in Ladakh as tense.
As the Indian Army was mulling its strategy, Chinese helicopters penetrated Indian airspace, suggesting that Beijing may be intent on establishing a long-term presence. China then asked India to destroy certain fortified positions in eastern Ladakh in return for the PLA removing its temporary camp. An Indian Army commander told THE WEEK that a flag meeting on April 23, the second since the incursion, failed after China made this demand. A third flag meeting was scheduled for April 26.
Dr P. Stobdan, ethnic Ladakhi and former Indian ambassador to Kyrghisztan, thinks China is trying to do a 'Kargil'. "Daulat Beg Oldi area remains inaccessible during winter, which lasts almost till the end of March," he said. The Chinese moved in knowing full well that occupying this section will cut the LAC into two, making it impossible for India to maintain continuity in border security, he said.
Former ambassador Kanwal Sibal said the border issue might be central to this incursion. "It is apparent that China does not want to clearly state their LAC in Ladakh and has actually been suggesting that their dispute with India is on the eastern sector—in Arunachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand—and not in the western sector. This position is in line with a more orthodox view within the Chinese establishment which suggests that India has weaker claims on Ladakh."
Sources say that the boundaries cell of the external affairs ministry is lacking a chief now. Major General Girish Kumar, formerly in charge, has rejoined the Army and refused to speak to THE WEEK. Currently, the crucial cell is being handled by a "consultant".
China expert Ravni Thakur of the University of Delhi said the incursion was driven by the desire "to establish Chinese hegemony on the entire water resource bed of the Himalayas" and to protect Chinese investments in the Karakoram range.
"It appears that the Chinese are pushing for more access in the Nubra valley, finally coming to the west of the Shyok river which will then bring them threateningly close to the Siachen glacier," said Stobdan.
The Tibetan government in exile, too, feels that China wants to control watersheds. Tibetans also feel that China cannot indulge in long-term adventurism against India, as the two countries work together on multiple platforms. That apart, China's string of border disputes with Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan, and the issue of Tibet, will not let Beijing wage a high-stakes tussle with India.
Perhaps, what has irked Beijing is India's military modernisation programme that includes the construction of strategic roads, expansion of rail networks, helipads and airfields, deploying of Sukhoi aircraft and ballistic and cruise missile squadrons to defend its northeastern borders against China.
Then there is the plan to raise the new mountain strike corps, two "independent" infantry brigades and two "independent" armoured brigades. The corps, recommended by the China Study Group, will have about 40,000 troops and its own mountain artillery, combat engineers, anti-aircraft guns and radio equipment. It will provide India with strategic capabilities that were missed badly in the 1962 war.
After 1962, India's policy was not to build any offensive formations in the eastern sector, to desist from provoking Beijing. The sanctioning of a strike corps, a part of India's strategy to deal with a two-front-war against Pakistan and China, indicates a new assertiveness in New Delhi.
Two new infantry divisions (over 35,000 soldiers) have already been raised at Lekhapani and Missamari in Assam in 2009-10. Their operational task is the defence of Arunachal Pradesh, which China often claims as its territory.
Brigadier (retd) Gurmeet Kanwal, former director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies, said, "There is no unity of command in the Daulat Beg Oldi section. Indo-Tibetan Border Police is in charge of the sector and the Army, reportedly, is often not aware of the patrolling in that area. As of now, this [incursion] appears like a tactical matter and should be settled at a tactical level without involving political leadership.... India should also take a look at the work it might have undertaken on the border that might have provoked China."
What worries the Army's tacticians is the very small operational window. Daulat Beg Oldi sector will become inaccessible to India after May 15, as the summer glacial melt will turn the sector unfit for movement of troops and armour.

The Week | Water War 1?

 

[NDY JATT]

UPA III no way. NDA is coming..........

Wrong, UPA III will think that "see, we can deal with aggression diplomatically... so modernization can wait. Let's fill our pockets from the DB some more..."

 

[NDY JATT]

Defence Minister A.K. Antony had warned at a recent Army commanders' conference that the hardening Chinese stand on the boundary was "not likely" to change, despite the change of guard in Beijing. Antony stressed on the need "to achieve minimum credible deterrence, even while we seek a peaceful resolution of the issue." He asserted that all necessary steps would be taken to protect the country's interests in the continuing face-off in Ladakh.

the word is face-off Right Dude
i m not saying stand off is not.

Same difference.
Its a specialised Ops group.They are quiet enough as of PRESENT, to handle current situation. its a "stand off" thats the word.

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Indian Army being made to look like chickens because of the useless and coward GoI.... shameful response given by the GoI in the case of the Chinese intrusion and also in the case of Sarabhjit singh attack too....

 

[sorcerer]

Defence Minister A.K. Antony had warned at a recent Army commanders' conference that the hardening Chinese stand on the boundary was "not likely" to change, despite the change of guard in Beijing. Antony stressed on the need "to achieve minimum credible deterrence, even while we seek a peaceful resolution of the issue." He asserted that all necessary steps would be taken to protect the country's interests in the continuing face-off in Ladakh.

the word is face-off Right Dude
i m not saying stand off is not.

Face off...stand off...what ever..we gonna be there till Chinese FcuQ off

 

[Das ka das]

Face off...stand off...what ever..we gonna be there till Chinese FcuQ off

:bs: Sellout Khurshid is probably going to "gift" away some more land in Ladakh.

 

[arnabmit]

We want NDA to come... but UPA will come. Power lies with 3rd & 4th fronts which UPA will easily buy with scam money.

UPA III no way. NDA is coming..........

 

[sorcerer]

:bs: Sellout Khurshid is probably going to "gift" away some more land in Ladakh.

Nooo>not with election at stake..

 

[Das ka das]

Nooo>not with election at stake..

Irrelevant. Their main vote bank does not give a shit about this situation. Also the poor don't care either. I can smell the stench of UPA III from here...

 

[NDY JATT]

its cool.
Face off...stand off...what ever..we gonna be there till Chinese FcuQ off
absolutely right dude

Face off...stand off...what ever..we gonna be there till Chinese FcuQ off

 

[Das ka das]

Indian and Chinese troops are said to be in a standoff in Ladakh, in the Daulat Beg Oldi area. A Chinese military unit has apparently set up a camp fairly deep into what New Delhi considers is its side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC), and it has not withdrawn even after meetings between the local commanders and after the newly-formed border mechanism has been activated. The word standoff probably exaggerates the state of affairs. But the Indian media has portrayed it in these terms, and it is beginning to affect the nature of the debate within the country.


Predictably, domestic politics in India is starting to take its toll on government thinking. The role of domestic politics in Indian foreign policy could be a positive one. Instead, it is increasingly negative, tying the hands of the central government which is responsible for the conduct of external relations and clouding judgment and rational decision-making. We have seen in the past year that state governments and coalition politics are affecting New Delhi's stances. First Mamata foiled the Manmohan Singh government's efforts to reach an agreement with Bangladesh on the Teesta river. Then the Kerala government complicated the Ministry of External Affairs' handling of the Italian marines' case. Most recently, we have seen the DMK lecturing the Indian government on its policy on Sri Lanka.

There are of course times when domestic politics is positive. The Punjab government in India has worked assiduously to develop relations with its counterpart in Pakistan. The West Bengal government under the CPM was generally supportive of a rational, moderate policy towards Bangladesh. Indian public opinion over the past five years, in spite of the Mumbai outrage of 2008, has seen the good sense of a constructive approach to relations with Pakistan. Manmohan Singh was helped by coalition politics when he took the India-US nuclear deal to Parliament.

There is a danger that domestic politics will unhinge a cautious, prudent policy toward China in the present standoff. The opposition parties and the government of Kashmir under Omar Abdullah are calling for sterner Indian action. The BJP which had a fairly rational policy towards China when it was in power is now pounding its chest. The fact of the matter is that we just do not know enough about what happened in Daulat Beg Oldi.

Since we do not know, we must, as the government has argued, be patient. The meeting between commanders and the border mechanism has not been terribly successful in resolving differences. But there are other modes of communication and conflict mitigation. These must be given time. In any case, those who are jumping up and down calling for tougher action - by which they mean military action - should explain what action New Delhi can take when its overall weakness in relation to China is so massive.

The fact is that China's economy is four times India's size. This is a measure of the difference between the two countries. It suggests that China has a much greater capacity to prosecute any conflict anywhere with India. Militarily, it has more nuclear weapons by a factor of three, at the very least. In terms of conventional weapons, there is glaring mismatch as well. China has about two times as many active military personnel as India. Its army has the advantage of the heights and infrastructure along our northern border, has better equipment, makes so much more of its arms, and can therefore fight a longer and wider war.

So let us be careful about what we would wish for. A fight with China would be disastrous - in every way. India would stand exposed militarily and diplomatically. In 1962, it was Parliament and public opinion that pushed Jawaharlal Nehru into taking positions that were unwise. Let's not repeat 1962. Our political parties and Chief Ministers should stifle themselves for a while, as the government tries to figure out whether the incursion is part of a larger strategy or if regional and local PLA commanders got too ambitious and need some time to retrench.

We are reeling economically and politically from an assortment of crises. This is no time for our nostrils to flare.
[HR][/HR]

More playing down the situation from our napunsak PM.

 

[NDY JATT]

Dude NDA is Coming Freeze my words

We want NDA to come... but UPA will come. Power lies with 3rd & 4th fronts which UPA will easily buy with scam money.

 

[sorcerer]

Irrelevant. Their main vote bank does not give a shit about this situation. Also the poor don't care either. I can smell the stench of UPA III from here...

Yes you are right..But I hope Opposition pitchs in strong.
I cant even think of UPA III

 

[drkrn]

Now we Got a reason rapid modernization making more missiles rapid infrastructure along border...........world will support us because we got reason
This is bad move from chines side very bad move........
i think China make negative image world community.....defiantly
they nothing got from us and losing many things i m sure about that...........

the world doesn't support us as they need china more than India.
whether china did some thing bad,or they have a bad image we hardly have anything to do,even diplomatically

you know why__THE NEHRUVIAN BLUNDER

 

[amoy]

the world doesn't support us as they need china more than India.
whether china did some thing bad,or they have a bad image we hardly have anything to do,even diplomatically

you know why__THE NEHRUVIAN BLUNDER

cool! u always have Nehru as scapegoat how typically Indian!

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[drkrn]

Last time somebody messed with India, history saw the birth of Bangladesh.
With China messing up with India, history will see the birth of Liberated Tibet.

la la la la la la....:cb:

we need years of military advancements with a turmoil in Tibet as it happened in Bangladesh in 1971 seeking our intervention