Heavy casualties reported in China knife attack

[fyodor]

All he says is that India has created "some" problems. He doesn't go into much detail because there aren't much detail. We all know that India must have some presence in Afghanistan but how big it is, is the point. Given all the evidence(or the lack of it) we can only conclude that India has only a minor presence in Af.

 

[sydsnyper]

We did support the northern alliance to curb the scourge of the Taliban and yes, part of our dirty games were to help build roads, supply free public transportation buses, build hospitals & schools. I wonder if that is why the average afghan prefers India over pakistan.

India is playing dirty games in Afghanistan and its hardly a secret.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AENmYb6M1zw

Even your beloved Christine Fair confirmed this.

 

[sydsnyper]

and yes, what about the cause of 'azaadi' for the uyighurs??? pakistan supports the 'azaadi' cause for kashmir but not the uyighurs??

Did you know that the Chinese government made the muslims in urumqui pray to the communist flag during namaz and stopped government employees from keeping the ramzan fast.... yet the islamic thekedar of pakistan never supports their muslim ummah in uyighur???

You may want to accuse me of saying things that draw a wedge into the sagar se gehrayi dosti, but it is a factual irony of the paki policy.

India is playing dirty games in Afghanistan and its hardly a secret.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AENmYb6M1zw

Even your beloved Christine Fair confirmed this.

 

[bennedose]

So they were trained in Pakistan to fight with knives?

Why? Are Pakistanis nowadays using suicide bombs for zibah? There were using knives until recently?

 

[bennedose]

Their number in Pakistan is very small, approx. no more than 200 and.most of them reside in Waziristan which is currently being cleaned up.

Pakistan does not know how many children are there in Waziristan and how many had polio drops. But when they went to count Uighurs, those Uighurs lined up for photos and fingerprintng so that Pakis know exactly how many Uighurs are there. Then they reported to the Chinese who were "satisfied". The Chinese are an easily satisfied people

Like I said - for anyone who believes this I have a domed white marble building for sale in Agra

 

[bennedose]

The big question is which countries would benefit most if there was a rift between China and Pakistan.

In fact the logic of this question is so stupid I can hardly stop laughing.

India, Israel and the US all know that the Pakis and Chinese are desperate to hold on to each other despite the deep oceans and high mountains that separate the pork eaters from the momeen. The funniest and best way to cause trouble for this great friendship is to cause terorism in Xinjiang so that Chinese security forces kill Mulsim Uighurs en masse. Then RAW, CIA and Mossad will laugh and say "Chinese are kiling Muslims". The killing of Muslims by the Chinese is true and that will get those 200 (or 2000) Uighur Islamists in Waziristan really angry and they will plan more attacks, send more zibah trained men to China and there will be more killling

But still, Pakis and Chinese wll get their chaddis is a huge twist and say "We are friends! We are friends! We are friends!" simply because they are worried that someone else will benefit if they don't say that

Throughtout the history of Pakistani terroism in India, Pakistanis have always denied any involvelemnt. They are doing that to the Chinese and if the Chinese believe them they are really stupid. What really makes me laugh at this idiocy is that I was worried that Pakistanis will gain brains and smartness from China. Instead, Pakistanis are making Chinese stupid like themselves. I tell ya - such an alliance is really precious!

Enjoy your relationship!

 

[Ray]

China has raised concern about the presence of Uighurs in Pakistan and we have arrested and handed over atleast 20 terrorists to them. But she hasn't blamed Pakistan for being involved in these attacks, hence issued statements that Pak-China friendship is only getting stronger.

The big question is which countries would benefit most if there was a rift between China and Pakistan. Do these countries have a presence in Afghanistan and means to transform Uighur seperatists into terrorists and send them to FATA?

Both China and Pakistan know the answer and I am sure they are doing enough to counter this threat from Afghanistan together.

Maybe this will inform you what China has stated about Pakistan training Uighur separatists.

Xinjiang unrest: China blames unrest on Pakistan-trained terrorists
KASHGAR, CHINA:
China has blamed terrorists trained in Pakistan for an outbreak of deadly violence and imposed heavy security on Monday in a bid to prevent further unrest.

Nineteen people were killed in two separate incidents in the ancient Silk Road city of Kashgar over the weekend in the latest wave of violence to hit the restive Xinjiang region, home to a mainly Muslim Uighur minority.

The Kashgar local government said in a statement on its website that the assailants who attacked a restaurant that left six dead on Sunday had learned explosive-making skills in terrorist-run camps in Pakistan.

"The heads of the group had learned skills of making explosives and firearms in overseas camps of the terrorist group East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) in Pakistan before entering Xinjiang," the online statement said.

The attackers adhered to "extremist religious ideology" and advocated "jihad", the statement also said.
Xinjiang unrest: China blames unrest on Pakistan-trained terrorists – The Express Tribune

The above is from Pakistan newspaper Express Tribune. Therefore, we must restrict ourselves to facts and not perceived imagination.

The big question is which countries would benefit most if there was a rift between China and Pakistan. Do these countries have a presence in Afghanistan and means to transform Uighur seperatists into terrorists and send them to FATA?

The big question is Pakistani Jihadis don't care about China or even Pakistan for their matter.

For them it is Religion über alles.

They benefit the maximum through spreading terrorism throughout the world, to include in Pakistan.

One must face reality and not undertake lulling oneself in make belief.

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and yes, what about the cause of 'azaadi' for the uyighurs??? pakistan supports the 'azaadi' cause for kashmir but not the uyighurs??

Did you know that the Chinese government made the muslims in urumqui pray to the communist flag during namaz and stopped government employees from keeping the ramzan fast.... yet the islamic thekedar of pakistan never supports their muslim ummah in uyighur???

You may want to accuse me of saying things that draw a wedge into the sagar se gehrayi dosti, but it is a factual irony of the paki policy.

Pakistan does not speak up of Islam in Xinjiang, but speaks up elsewhere.

This is called compulsive convenient 'vanguardism' of Islam!

 

[Neo]

Maybe this will inform you what China has stated about Pakistan training Uighur separatists.

The above is from Pakistan newspaper Express Tribune. Therefore, we must restrict ourselves to facts and not perceived imagination.

The matter was taken up with China at highest level resulting.in.further military and intelligence cooperation between the two countries.
Chinese were informed about the upcomin military operation in the lawless Waziristan Agency.

About the bolded part, I wish the same was applied on Pakistan section which is a trolls paradise.

The big question is Pakistani Jihadis don't care about China or even Pakistan for their matter.

For them it is Religion über alles.

They benefit the maximum through spreading terrorism throughout the world, to include in Pakistan.

One must face reality and not undertake lulling oneself in make belief.

PA will never allow these jihadists to hurt sino-pak relationship. If these Uighurs were trained in Pakistan, their camps are gone as Waziristan is almost cleaned up.
Most foreign terrorists have either beenkilled or have fled to Afghanistan or Syria.

 

[Blackwater]

The matter was taken up with China at highest level resulting.in.further military and intelligence cooperation between the two countries.
Chinese were informed about the upcomin military operation in the lawless Waziristan Agency.

About the bolded part, I wish the same was applied on Pakistan section which is a trolls paradise.




PA will never allow these jihadists to hurt sino-pak relationship. If these Uighurs were trained in Pakistan, their camps are gone as Waziristan is almost cleaned up.
Most foreign terrorists have either beenkilled or have fled to Afghanistan or Syria.

you forgot uzbek

 

[Ray]

The matter was taken up with China at highest level resulting.in.further military and intelligence cooperation between the two countries.
Chinese were informed about the upcomin military operation in the lawless Waziristan Agency.

That is lame officialese - 'cooperation', 'informed of ops' etc.

If indeed it was being done and was effective, then the Chinese would not have accused Pakistan.

It is as simple as that!

About the bolded part, I wish the same was applied on Pakistan section which is a trolls paradise.

There is no end of trolls.

Are you suggesting that you are trolling by not restricting yourself to facts and pandering to perceived imagination?

PA will never allow these jihadists to hurt sino-pak relationship. If these Uighurs were trained in Pakistan, their camps are gone as Waziristan is almost cleaned up.
Most foreign terrorists have either beenkilled or have fled to Afghanistan or Syria.

Well PA doesn't appear to be doing anything to dispel the opinion held by China that Pakistanis are training the Uighurs.

If the Uighurs have been wiped out, then how come they are operative in Xinjinag in great numbers and with real sophisticated stuff?

Foreign terrorists? That is rich.

Was gthe Islamic onslaught on Afghanistan all the effort of foreign terrorists?

 

[Neo]

That is lame officialese - 'cooperation', 'informed of ops' etc.

If indeed it was being done and was effective, then the Chinese would not have accused Pakistan.

It is as simple as that!



There is no end of trolls.

Are you suggesting that you are trolling by not restricting yourself to facts and pandering to perceived imagination?




Well PA doesn't appear to be doing anything to dispel the opinion held by China that Pakistanis are training the Uighurs.

If the Uighurs have been wiped out, then how come they are operative in Xinjinag in great numbers and with real sophisticated stuff?

Foreign terrorists? That is rich.

Was gthe Islamic onslaught on Afghanistan all the effort of foreign terrorists?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose you are right. Please tell me what has China done to punish Pakistan sofar and why is she spending $32 billion on the energy corridor?

 

[Ray]

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose you are right. Please tell me what has China done to puish Pakistan sofar and why is she spending $32 billion on the energy corridor?

I presume when you write 'puish', you mean 'punish'.

Punish Pakistan?

Do you think the Chinese are really that dumb and daft?

They will put pressure on Pakistan, but they will stop short of 'punishing' Pakistan.

Strategically that would be suicidal for China.

They require Pakistan so that, as our old friend from WAB, the Engineer Colonel said - China will fight India to the last Pakistani! The same way the US fought the Soviets to the last Pakistani. Hopefully, China will not discard Pakistan like the US did once their use was no longer required.

Further, China is a wise nation in protecting and preserving her interest.

She is aware that the Straits of Malacca, if blocked, will be suicidal to China and its economy.

Therefore, she requires alternate energy and resource routes. Pakistan and Myanmar provides the same.

Further not satisfied, China has adopted its 'Stirngs of Pearls' strategy to secure its sea lines of communications and construction of Gwadar Port at gate of energy distributing choke point at of Hormoz Strait has raised the U.S. apprehensions about the possible Chinese naval build up as it can off set the U.S domination at choke point of Malacca Strait. The Chinese plan to construct Kra Canal in the southern Thailand to link Bay of Bengal with the South China Sea, by bypassing the U.S dominated Malacca Strait will be important to ensure the inflow of strategic resources to China from Africa and the Gulf.

 

[Neo]

I presume when you write 'puish', you mean 'punish'.

Punish Pakistan?

Do you think the Chinese are really that dumb and daft?

They will put pressure on Pakistan, but they will stop short of 'punishing' Pakistan.

Strategically that would be suicidal for China.

They require Pakistan so that, as our old friend from WAB, the Engineer Colonel said - China will fight India to the last Pakistani! The same way the US fought the Soviets to the last Pakistani. Hopefully, China will not discard Pakistan like the US did once their use was no longer required.

Further, China is a wise nation in protecting and preserving her interest.

She is aware that the Straits of Malacca, if blocked, will be suicidal to China and its economy.

Therefore, she requires alternate energy and resource routes. Pakistan and Myanmar provides the same.

Further not satisfied, China has adopted its 'Stirngs of Pearls' strategy to secure its sea lines of communications and construction of Gwadar Port at gate of energy distributing choke point at of Hormoz Strait has raised the U.S. apprehensions about the possible Chinese naval build up as it can off set the U.S domination at choke point of Malacca Strait. The Chinese plan to construct Kra Canal in the southern Thailand to link Bay of Bengal with the South China Sea, by bypassing the U.S dominated Malacca Strait will be important to ensure the inflow of strategic resources to China from Africa and the Gulf.

Iam glad that you understand the strategic nature ofsino-pak relationship and a few hundred Uighur terrorists are not going to make any difference. If there are any, we will find and eliminate them but we won't let our territory be used against our only time tested all weather friend.

 

[Ray]

Iam glad that you understand the strategic nature ofsino-pak relationship and a few hundred Uighur terrorists are not going to make any difference. If there are any, we will find and eliminate them but we won't let our territory be used against our only time tested all weather friend.

Pakistan cannot and will find no terrorist.

Not their DNA, though they will make a huge song and a dance over the same.

Pakistan requires China more than China requiring Pakistan and Pakistan knows all that as does China.

You may spout all that - we will not let our territory be used against China - and all that. China is well aware that it is all hot air and humbug since you have no control over the terrorists that you have spawned thanks to Zia's short-sightedness and personal agenda to legitimise his illegal regime.

China will step up the heat once it finds the Uighurs are getting too hot to handle.

As it is China is well entrenched in the Northern Area and it will require just a push.

 

[Neo]

Pakistan cannot and will find no terrorist.

Not their DNA, though they will make a huge song and a dance over the same.

Pakistan requires China more than China requiring Pakistan and Pakistan knows all that as does China.

China will step up the heat once it finds the Uighurs are getting too hot to handle.

As it is China is well entrenched in the Northern Area and it will require just a push.

Lol....I thought you followed Pakistani newspapers and ISPR briefings. We have already arrested and hamded over 20 Uighurs to China last year. There are almost no foreigners left in Waziristan.

 

[Ray]

Lol....I thought you followed Pakistani newspapers and ISPR briefings. We have already arrested and hamded over 20 Uighurs to China last year. There are almost no foreigners left in Waziristan.

What a great act.

Imagine all of 20!

So, you take the Chinese as fools and daft dopes right?!

 

[bennedose]

As usual Pakistan is "Ullu banaoing" the Chinese LOL!
The Xinjiangistan Connection

Privately, Chinese officials and experts complain that the Pakistanis have given Uighur militants a heads-up. "When we provide them with intelligence on ETIM locations they give warnings before launching their attacks," groused a Chinese analyst familiar with intelligence issues. Foreign intelligence services have even provided material to Chinese officials that purports to show Pakistani intelligence agents at TIP training camps. "We certainly think there's a strong chance [Pakistani intelligence] has contacts and relationships with ETIM and the Uzbeks," said a Chinese official familiar with intelligence issues.

In public, Beijing has been careful not to blame Pakistan for recent developments in Xinjiang. Only officials in the Xinjiang cities of Urumqi and Kashgar -- many of whom are seeking to deflect responsibility from their own political failings -- have directly criticized Pakistan. But behind closed doors, there have been serious tensions.

During Sino-Pakistani military exchanges, while the public announcements focused on new defense deals, Chinese demands for further moves against ETIM took up a large part of the bilateral agenda, according to several current and former Chinese officials familiar with the talks. And Chinese analysts note a visible lack of willingness among some Pakistani officers to respond to Beijing's requests. "We see it in their eyes when we're sitting in the meetings," said a Chinese analyst with ties to China's People's Liberation Army (PLA). "They're not comfortable with what we're asking."

Idea, No Ullu Banoing - YouTube

 

[Sameet Pattnaik]

Re: A riot might have happened in Xinjiang yesterday

In china you dont riot but the government riot you ! so i can only give Five star for chinese security efforts for curbing islamic radicalism ! everyone knows all muslims are islam's slave !

 

[amoy]

China and Pakistan are facing more severe security threats ahead than Uyghur terrorists.

China's 1st Envoy to Afghanistan Vows to Help Govt's Peaceful Transition

As the first Chinese diplomat in the country since a transitional government was established in Afghanistan, Sun Yuxi stresses that economic development is more important than military aid to maintain long-lasting stability in the country.

"To ensure the stability in the country is not dependent on what armed forces should be sent there, but to help them restore and rebuild. The international community should help the Afghan government to strengthen its economic power."

China has offered some 240 million US dollars in aid to Afghanistan so far.

The diplomat notes that he will be working to step up business cooperation between the two countries, and more focus would be given to projects covering infrastructure and environmental protection.

Sun also says that China will continue to cooperate with Afghanistan to combat terrorism in the region.

"The East Turkistan Islamic Movement that Afghanistan used to face in the past is now a major terrorist threat to China. China has worked with Afghanistan on combating the terrorism group with positive results. I hope we will continue to deepen our cooperation and eliminate the group one day, to restore peace and safety in the region and around the world."

United, We stand. Pakistan and China shall work together to make Afghanistan a mutual "strategic depth" rather than a terrorism den.

 

[bennedose]

United, We stand. Pakistan and China shall work together to make Afghanistan a mutual "strategic depth" rather than a terrorism den.

Nice. This should be fun. Fake sincerity and meaningless rhetoric is always fun to listen to while things unwind.