High Speed Railway Corridor

[LondonParisTokyo]

These trains will still be slower than true bullet train. Substantially faster than what's offered now though

 

[Azaad]

Yup. After all Japan straightway came up with the 350 kmph bullet train in it's very first attempt to build such trains. The word iterative engineering doesn't exist in the Japanese language at all.

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

Fair point. I'm very excited at the prospect of 250kmph trains being the standard speed

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Vande Bharat Platform-Led Home Made Bullet Train Soon! Indian Railways Looks To Manufacture 250 Kmph Speed Trains

Vande Bharat style home-built bullet train soon! India is constructing a domestically made high-speed bullet train with speeds exceeding 250 kmph. The project aims to enhance train speeds within the Indian Railways network.

Vande Bharat style home-built bullet train soon! India has initiated the development of an indigenous bullet train capable of surpassing speeds of 250 kilometres per hour (kmph), according to a senior government official. This train is expected to outpace all existing trains currently operating on the Indian Railways network.

An official told ET, "It is being built on the Vande Bharat platform that can already clock a maximum speed of 220 kmph." The designs for this high-speed train are currently being developed at the Indian Railways' Integral Coach Factory (ICF) located in Chennai.

In the global context, high-speed trains are defined as those capable of traveling at speeds exceeding 250 kmph, such as the French TGV and the Japanese Shinkansen.

India is currently relying on Japanese technology for the bullet trains that will operate on the Ahmedabad to Mumbai line, which is currently under construction. The Shinkansen E5 series bullet trains, which India plans to deploy on the Mumbai-Ahmedabad route, can reach speeds of up to 320 kmph.

The official mentioned that the primary focus until now has been on enhancing the speed of Indian Railways trains. "The (proposed) variant Vande Bharat trains can now reach from zero to 100 kmph in 52 seconds while the existing bullet trains do this in 54 seconds," he said.

The Vande Bharat trains, which are indigenously developed, are manufactured by ICF. The made-in-India bullet trains will operate on the recently announced north, south, and east corridors. "The new corridors will be using more Indian tech and domestic manufacturing," the official added.

These corridors will complement the western corridor, which was developed in collaboration with Japan and utilizes Japanese technology. The Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) is providing a soft loan of approximately Rs 40,000 crore for the Mumbai-Ahmedabad High Speed Rail project, with the total project cost exceeding Rs 1.08 lakh crore.

The National High Speed Rail Corp. Ltd (NHSRCL), responsible for implementing India’s first bullet train project, recently announced the completion of 300 km of pier work. The land acquisition process for the entire 508 km stretch was finalized in January.

 

[Azaad]

After Stalled Talks With Suppliers, India Set To Build Its Own Bullet Train

As India advances its first high-speed rail network, the state-owned Integral Coach Factory (ICF) has been assigned the task of locally producing two standard-gauge bullet trains this fiscal year

swarajyamag.com

Kahani mein twist ...

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

After Stalled Talks With Suppliers, India Set To Build Its Own Bullet Train

As India advances its first high-speed rail network, the state-owned Integral Coach Factory (ICF) has been assigned the task of locally producing two standard-gauge bullet trains this fiscal year

swarajyamag.com

Kahani mein twist ...

Wth is up didnt they anticipate cost rise due to inflation delaying the project for years

 

[Marliii]

After Stalled Talks With Suppliers, India Set To Build Its Own Bullet Train

As India advances its first high-speed rail network, the state-owned Integral Coach Factory (ICF) has been assigned the task of locally producing two standard-gauge bullet trains this fiscal year

swarajyamag.com

Kahani mein twist ...

But the 250km/h ICF trains are in standard gauge. Japan also has gotten guaranteed that all the equipment to be used for the project would come from Japanese companies.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

It is ICF fit and finish will be dogshit. It should be an open design competition. Within a short time where Rail Mantri is not there. Rail bhavan pulls the trick.

 

[Azaad]

But the 250km/h ICF trains are in standard gauge. Japan also has gotten guaranteed that all the equipment to be used for the project would come from Japanese companies.

I see it more as a bargaining ploy to get the Japanese cos to reduce their costs & possibly other benefits though having said that , the future is definitely for Bullet Trains built on the VB platform. That's the way forward.

China's followed pretty much the same trajectory though they used ToTs to steal technology as is their wont eventually coming out with their own indigenous brand.

 

[Crazywithmath]

There will be technology partners (rumored to be Talgo per @Haldilal ). Stop dhoti shivering.

 

[Haldilal]

There will be technology partners (rumored to be Talgo per @Haldilal ). Stop dhoti shivering.

Ya'll Nibbiars take the rumors at your own risk. But yeah, definitely a foreign consultant will be involved in the development, but will take time. Can't achieve this without foreign help that's for sure.

 

[Azaad]

There will be technology partners (rumored to be Talgo per @Haldilal ). Stop dhoti shivering.

Ya'll Nibbiars take the rumors at your own risk. But yeah, definitely a foreign consultant will be involved in the development, but will take time. Can't achieve this without foreign help that's for sure.

Been following Sudanshu Mani - the creator of Train 18 . Never once did he mention we needed foreign collaboration to realise an indigenous Bullet Train. He was all for incremental improvements in speed & other features before we get to a 250 kmph + Train Set.

Not saying a foreign collaboration or technical consultant isn't needed but this is an expert talking.

However he did recommend foreign collaboration to understand the technology behind Aluminum profiles as most modern Train Sets are built up of Aluminum.

So what does IR do? It floats a tender for Aluminum profile VBs & then cancels the tender once price bids are opened on the grounds it's too expensive.

 

[Crazywithmath]

Been following Sudanshu Mani - the creator of Train 18 . Never once did he mention we needed foreign collaboration to realise an indigenous Bullet Train. He was all for incremental improvements in speed & other features before we get to a 250 kmph + Train Set.

Not saying a foreign collaboration or technical consultant isn't needed but this is an expert talking.

However he did recommend foreign collaboration to understand the technology behind Aluminum profiles as most modern Train Sets are built up of Aluminum.

So what does IR do? It floats a tender for Aluminum profile VBs & then cancels the tender once price bids are opened on the grounds it's too expensive.

Mani talked about BG mainline trainsets iirc. The ICF folks are prototyping an SG HSR trainset. And aluminium VB was a fuck-up.

 

[Azaad]

Mani talked about BG mainline trainsets iirc. The ICF folks are prototyping an SG HSR trainset. And aluminium VB was a fuck-up.

Nope. I've specifically seen not one but quite a few videos of him saying we could develop a Bullet Train indigenously PROVIDED we followed the incremental approach.

He wasn't against foreign collaboration in this field per se but he didn't see it as mandatory. Rather he was of the opinion we'd be spending a bomb on ToT which he deemed unnecessary if IR followed the developmental path he'd laid down.

I'd have to hunt for those videos now. The last ones were with Power Train & News Station from 2022 IIRC.

 

[Haldilal]

Nope. I've specifically seen not one but quite a few videos of him saying we could develop a Bullet Train indigenously PROVIDED we followed the incremental approach.

He wasn't against foreign collaboration in this field per se but he didn't see it as mandatory. Rather he was of the opinion we'd be spending a bomb on ToT which he deemed unnecessary if IR followed the developmental path he'd laid down.

I'd have to hunt for those videos now. The last ones were with Power Train & News Station from 2022 IIRC.

Ya'll Nibbiars That's would be true, but in this case we are speeding the process to reach the HSR Level faster, so would need some kind of collaboration even at sub levels. We would also need newer facilities for testing and research puroposes.

 

[Crazywithmath]

Nope. I've specifically seen not one but quite a few videos of him saying we could develop a Bullet Train indigenously PROVIDED we followed the incremental approach.

He wasn't against foreign collaboration in this field per se but he didn't see it as mandatory. Rather he was of the opinion we'd be spending a bomb on ToT which he deemed unnecessary if IR followed the developmental path he'd laid down.

I'd have to hunt for those videos now. The last ones were with Power Train & News Station from 2022 IIRC.

He is correct on the foreign collaboration bit; Titagarh has access to HSR (300+ kmph) tech through their Italian subsidiary Firema Transporti. Them and the ICF can definitely work together.

 

[fooLIam]

He is correct on the foreign collaboration bit; Titagarh has access to HSR (300+ kmph) tech through their Italian subsidiary Firema Transporti. Them and the ICF can definitely work together.

I was hoping in 3rd term ICF and all other railway manufacturing units should be merged and made one psu like CRRC ,expecting to become efficient , but it’s not going to happen.

 

[Haldilal]

I was hoping in 3rd term ICF and all other railway manufacturing units should be merged and made one psu like CRRC ,expecting to become efficient , but it’s not going to happen.

Ya'll Nibbiars sell them to the BEML.

 

[Azaad]

I was waiting for either Power Train or News Station to come up with a video following the Railway Board's announcement that we'd be making our own indigenous 250 kmph Bullet Train & PT didn't disappoint.

Informative mini documentary on the challenges & hurdles we're likely to face interpreting Sudhanshu Mani's recent article on this in some newspaper on why it's possible but not within the T/L suggested & the reason we need a foreign / private production partner not so much a design partner.

 

[SKC]

It is ICF fit and finish will be dogshit. It should be an open design competition. Within a short time where Rail Mantri is not there. Rail bhavan pulls the trick.

We need to stop crying over fit n finish. We are not world leader in production of coaches and trains in general.

Let them start with the project and make something. We are in "Beggers can't be choosers" situation currently.