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Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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would that alone be sufficient to replace old fashioned testing for extended periods of time to study safety and potential long term side effects.
drug and vaccine development are intentionally handled differently. drugs can have side effects. infact most of them have in mild levels. but in vaccines, side effects are a strict no-no (recorded facial paralysis, memory loss, etc are recent documented ones). only good old unfashionable TIME reveals these over minute observation of long term closed circle sample based tests.

drugs are given to sick ppl, vaccines are given to healthy ones. protocols are specifically different.
U see mate it's not all doom and gloom as they might tell u.
We never had this much effort put together in preparing a Vaccine for 10 failures there will be 1 success
 

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What is 'strawberry tongue'? New COVID-19 symptom spotted in children

However, according to a report, COVID-19 can trigger a serious condition called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C). In the children who go on to develop MIS-C, some organs and tissues — such as the heart, lungs, blood vessels, kidneys, digestive system, brain, skin or eyes — become severely inflamed.

 

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The Nitish Kumar cabinet has approved free Covid vaccine shot to every resident of Bihar.

Earlier, Union Minister of State for Health and Family Welfare Ashwini Kumar Choubey had said that seven lakh COVID-19 vaccine shots will be provided to Bihar in the first phase.

While reviewing the supply of vaccination in the state, the Bihar minister made the announcement adding that another one crore doses will be provided to the state in the second phase. The Minister also revealed that the preparation of supply and storage of vaccination was being carried out satisfactorily in the state, adding that the first line of vaccination will be provided to the health officials followed by frontline workers and common people.

Notably, when it comes to the Centre's vaccination plan, the BJP in its poll manifesto ahead of the Bihar Assembly Elections had promised that after ICMR's nod, every Bihari will get a free COVID-19 vaccination. Union Minister Nirmala Sitharaman said that the newly-elected NDA government will provide the vaccine made available by the Centre to the people free of cost.
 

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Is The Wuhan Coronavirus Really A Chinese Bioweapon?

New emails show scientists’ deliberations on how to discuss SARS-CoV-2 origins

Newly obtained emails offer glimpses into how a narrative of certainty developed about the natural origins of the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, while key scientific questions remained. The internal discussions and an early draft of a scientists’ letter show experts discussing gaps in knowledge and unanswered questions about lab origin, even as some sought to tamp down on “fringe” theories about the possibility the virus came from a lab.


Influential scientists and many news outlets have described the evidence as “overwhelming” that the virus originated in wildlife, not from a lab. However, a year after the first reported cases of SARS-CoV-2 in the Chinese city of Wuhan, little is known how or where the virus originated. Understanding the origins of SARS-CoV-2, which causes the disease COVID-19, may be crucial to preventing the next pandemic.


The emails of coronavirus expert Professor Ralph Baric — obtained through a public records request by U.S. Right to Know — show conversations between National Academy of Sciences (NAS) representatives, and experts in biosecurity and infectious diseases from U.S. universities and the EcoHealth Alliance.


On Feb. 3, the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) asked the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine (NASEM) to “convene meeting of experts… to assess what data, information and samples are needed to address the unknowns, in order to understand the evolutionary origins of 2019-nCoV, and more effectively respond to both the outbreak and any resulting misinformation.”


Baric and other infectious disease experts were involved in drafting the response. The emails show the experts’ internal discussions and an early draft dated Feb. 4.


The early draft described “initial views of the experts” that “the available genomic data are consistent with natural evolution and that there is currently no evidence that the virus was engineered to spread more quickly among humans.” This draft sentence posed a question, in parentheses: “[ask experts to add specifics re binding sites?]” It also included a footnote in parentheses: “[possibly add brief explanation that this does not preclude an unintentional release from a laboratory studying the evolution of related coronaviruses].”


In one email, dated Feb. 4, infectious disease expert Trevor Bedford commented: “I wouldn’t mention binding sites here. If you start weighing evidence there’s a lot to consider for both scenarios.” By “both scenarios,” Bedford appears to refer to lab-origin and natural-origin scenarios.


The question of binding sites is important to the debate about the origins of SARS-CoV-2. Distinctive binding sites on SARS-CoV-2’s spike protein confer “near-optimal” binding and entry of the virus into human cells, and make SARS-CoV-2 more contagious than SARS-CoV. Scientists have argued that SARS-CoV-2’s unique binding sites could have originated either as a result of natural spillover in the wild or deliberate laboratory recombination of an as-yet-undisclosed natural ancestor of SARS-CoV-2.


The final letter published Feb. 6 did not mention binding sites or the possibility of a laboratory origin. It does make clear that more information is necessary to determine the origins of SARS-CoV-2. The letter states, “The experts informed us that additional genomic sequence data from geographically – and temporally – diverse viral samples are needed to determine the origin and evolution of the virus. Samples collected as early as possible in the outbreak in Wuhan and samples from wildlife would be particularly valuable.”


The emails show some experts discussing the need for clear language to counter what one described as “crackpot theories” of lab origin. Kristian Andersen, lead author of an influential Nature Medicine paper asserting a natural origin of SARS-CoV-2, said the early draft was “great, but I do wonder if we need to be more firm on the question of engineering.” He continued, “If one of the main purposes of this document is to counter those fringe theories, I think it’s very important that we do so strongly and in plain language…”


In his response, Baric aimed at conveying a scientific basis for SARS-CoV-2’s natural origin. “I do think we need to say that the closest relative to this virus (96%) was identified from bats circulating in a cave in Yunnan, China. This makes a strong statement for animal origin.”


The final letter from the NASEM presidents does not take a position on the virus origin. It states that, “Research studies to better understand the origin of 2019-nCoV and how it relates to viruses found in bats and other species are already underway. The closest known relative of 2019-nCoV appears to be a coronavirus identified from bat-derived samples collected in China.” The letter referenced two studies that were conducted by EcoHealth Alliance and Wuhan Institute of Virology. Both posit a natural origin for SARS-CoV-2.


A few weeks later, the NASEM presidents’ letter appeared as an authoritative source for an influential scientists’ statement published in The Lancet that conveyed far more certainty about the origins of SARS-CoV-2. USRTK previously reported that EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak drafted that statement, which asserted that “scientists from multiple countries…overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife.” This position, the statement notes, is “further supported by a letter from the presidents of the US National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine.”


The subsequent appointments of Peter Daszak and other EcoHealth Alliance allies to The Lancet COVID19 Commission and Daszak to the World Health Organization’s investigations of SARS-CoV-2’s origins means the credibility of these efforts are undermined by conflicts of interest, and by the appearance that they have already pre-judged the matter at hand.


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“issues we should probably avoid”


The Baric emails also show a NAS representative suggesting to U.S. scientists they should “probably avoid” questions about SARS-CoV-2’s origin in bilateral meetings they were planning with Chinese COVID-19 experts. The emails in May and June 2020 discussed plans for the meetings. Participating American scientists, many of whom are members of the NAS Standing Committee on emerging infectious diseases and 21st-century health threats, included Ralph Baric, Peter Daszak, David Franz, James Le Duc, Stanley Perlman, David Relman, Linda Saif, and Peiyong Shi.


The participating Chinese scientists included George Gao, Zhengli Shi, and Zhiming Yuan. George Gao is Director of China CDC. Zhengli Shi leads the coronavirus research at Wuhan Institute of Virology, and Zhiming Yuan is Director of WIV.



In an email to American participants about a planning session, NAS Senior Program Officer Benjamin Rusek described the purpose of the meeting: “to fill you in on the dialogue background, discuss the topics/questions (list in your invitation letter and attached) and issues we should probably avoid (origin questions, politics)…”


For more information:


Link to University of North Carolina Professor Ralph Baric’s emails can be found here: Baric emails (83,416 pages)


U.S. Right to Know is posting documents from our public records requests for our biohazards investigation. See: FOI documents on origins of SARS-CoV-2, hazards of gain-of-function research and biosafety labs.
 
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New emails show scientists’ deliberations on how to discuss SARS-CoV-2 origins

Newly obtained emails offer glimpses into how a narrative of certainty developed about the natural origins of the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, while key scientific questions remained. The internal discussions and an early draft of a scientists’ letter show experts discussing gaps in knowledge and unanswered questions about lab origin, even as some sought to tamp down on “fringe” theories about the possibility the virus came from a lab.


Influential scientists and many news outlets have described the evidence as “overwhelming” that the virus originated in wildlife, not from a lab. However, a year after the first reported cases of SARS-CoV-2 in the Chinese city of Wuhan, little is known how or where the virus originated. Understanding the origins of SARS-CoV-2, which causes the disease COVID-19, may be crucial to preventing the next pandemic.


The emails of coronavirus expert Professor Ralph Baric — obtained through a public records request by U.S. Right to Know — show conversations between National Academy of Sciences (NAS) representatives, and experts in biosecurity and infectious diseases from U.S. universities and the EcoHealth Alliance.


On Feb. 3, the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) asked the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine (NASEM) to “convene meeting of experts… to assess what data, information and samples are needed to address the unknowns, in order to understand the evolutionary origins of 2019-nCoV, and more effectively respond to both the outbreak and any resulting misinformation.”


Baric and other infectious disease experts were involved in drafting the response. The emails show the experts’ internal discussions and an early draft dated Feb. 4.


The early draft described “initial views of the experts” that “the available genomic data are consistent with natural evolution and that there is currently no evidence that the virus was engineered to spread more quickly among humans.” This draft sentence posed a question, in parentheses: “[ask experts to add specifics re binding sites?]” It also included a footnote in parentheses: “[possibly add brief explanation that this does not preclude an unintentional release from a laboratory studying the evolution of related coronaviruses].”


In one email, dated Feb. 4, infectious disease expert Trevor Bedford commented: “I wouldn’t mention binding sites here. If you start weighing evidence there’s a lot to consider for both scenarios.” By “both scenarios,” Bedford appears to refer to lab-origin and natural-origin scenarios.


The question of binding sites is important to the debate about the origins of SARS-CoV-2. Distinctive binding sites on SARS-CoV-2’s spike protein confer “near-optimal” binding and entry of the virus into human cells, and make SARS-CoV-2 more contagious than SARS-CoV. Scientists have argued that SARS-CoV-2’s unique binding sites could have originated either as a result of natural spillover in the wild or deliberate laboratory recombination of an as-yet-undisclosed natural ancestor of SARS-CoV-2.


The final letter published Feb. 6 did not mention binding sites or the possibility of a laboratory origin. It does make clear that more information is necessary to determine the origins of SARS-CoV-2. The letter states, “The experts informed us that additional genomic sequence data from geographically – and temporally – diverse viral samples are needed to determine the origin and evolution of the virus. Samples collected as early as possible in the outbreak in Wuhan and samples from wildlife would be particularly valuable.”


The emails show some experts discussing the need for clear language to counter what one described as “crackpot theories” of lab origin. Kristian Andersen, lead author of an influential Nature Medicine paper asserting a natural origin of SARS-CoV-2, said the early draft was “great, but I do wonder if we need to be more firm on the question of engineering.” He continued, “If one of the main purposes of this document is to counter those fringe theories, I think it’s very important that we do so strongly and in plain language…”


In his response, Baric aimed at conveying a scientific basis for SARS-CoV-2’s natural origin. “I do think we need to say that the closest relative to this virus (96%) was identified from bats circulating in a cave in Yunnan, China. This makes a strong statement for animal origin.”


The final letter from the NASEM presidents does not take a position on the virus origin. It states that, “Research studies to better understand the origin of 2019-nCoV and how it relates to viruses found in bats and other species are already underway. The closest known relative of 2019-nCoV appears to be a coronavirus identified from bat-derived samples collected in China.” The letter referenced two studies that were conducted by EcoHealth Alliance and Wuhan Institute of Virology. Both posit a natural origin for SARS-CoV-2.


A few weeks later, the NASEM presidents’ letter appeared as an authoritative source for an influential scientists’ statement published in The Lancet that conveyed far more certainty about the origins of SARS-CoV-2. USRTK previously reported that EcoHealth Alliance President Peter Daszak drafted that statement, which asserted that “scientists from multiple countries…overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife.” This position, the statement notes, is “further supported by a letter from the presidents of the US National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine.”


The subsequent appointments of Peter Daszak and other EcoHealth Alliance allies to The Lancet COVID19 Commission and Daszak to the World Health Organization’s investigations of SARS-CoV-2’s origins means the credibility of these efforts are undermined by conflicts of interest, and by the appearance that they have already pre-judged the matter at hand.


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“issues we should probably avoid”


The Baric emails also show a NAS representative suggesting to U.S. scientists they should “probably avoid” questions about SARS-CoV-2’s origin in bilateral meetings they were planning with Chinese COVID-19 experts. The emails in May and June 2020 discussed plans for the meetings. Participating American scientists, many of whom are members of the NAS Standing Committee on emerging infectious diseases and 21st-century health threats, included Ralph Baric, Peter Daszak, David Franz, James Le Duc, Stanley Perlman, David Relman, Linda Saif, and Peiyong Shi.


The participating Chinese scientists included George Gao, Zhengli Shi, and Zhiming Yuan. George Gao is Director of China CDC. Zhengli Shi leads the coronavirus research at Wuhan Institute of Virology, and Zhiming Yuan is Director of WIV.



In an email to American participants about a planning session, NAS Senior Program Officer Benjamin Rusek described the purpose of the meeting: “to fill you in on the dialogue background, discuss the topics/questions (list in your invitation letter and attached) and issues we should probably avoid (origin questions, politics)…”


For more information:


Link to University of North Carolina Professor Ralph Baric’s emails can be found here: Baric emails (83,416 pages)


U.S. Right to Know is posting documents from our public records requests for our biohazards investigation. See: FOI documents on origins of SARS-CoV-2, hazards of gain-of-function research and biosafety labs.
There are major lawsuits from around 47 countries . I would not trust too many articles like this . China may have to pay TRILLIONS and they want to find an way out of their liability for destroying the world economy.
 

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There are major lawsuits from around 47 countries . I would not trust too many articles like this . China may have to pay TRILLIONS and they want to find an way out of their liability for destroying the world economy.
Actually it shows that a bunch of scientists previously involved in gain of function research (making new viruses) decided by themselves on a narrative that excluded lab origin possibility; the group included the Chinese/other scientists that created the Covid-19 virus in Wuhan Institute, so the whole thing is evidence of a cover-up by them.
 
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Actually it shows that a bunch of scientists previously involved in gain of function research (making new viruses) decided by themselves on a narrative that excluded lab origin possibility; the group included the Chinese/other scientists that created the Covid-19 virus in Wuhan Institute, so the whole thing is evidence of a cover-up by them.
There was a negligence in the way China and WHO covered up and it spread to the world
even outside of the origins there still maybe a valid case because harm was done from these actions??
China benefitted from the harm . Chinese economy grew this year while everyone else tanked.
(i am not a lawyer)
 

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There was a negligence in the way China and WHO covered up and it spread to the world
even outside of the origins there still maybe a valid case because harm was done from these actions??
China benefitted from the harm . Chinese economy grew this year while everyone else tanked.
(i am not a lawyer)
I agree. Covering up information about person-to-person transmission for months by CCP and its lackeys in WHO, while also allowing international travel to spread the disease to other countries is, by itself, a crime that Chinese government should be punished for. CCP lackeys in the WHO kept on recommending no need for masks for ordinary people to other countries, even as everyone in China was required to wear them.

But I would also like to know if this whole thing is part of a much bigger plan that has been in the works for decades; and that would include creation of a pandemic virus as well as getting leverage over key researchers in the west. WHO is already working with CCP to come up "alternative origin" of the virus outside China.
 

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Here we go. China trying to show Covid originated outside China by misquoting scientific literature:

James Carafano: China lies about its wrongdoing on COVID, spying, global aggression, pollution and more
Recently more news came to light of efforts by Chinese intelligence to infiltrate and influence our government, including the office of Rep. Eric Swalwell

The Chinese Communist Party has lied about COVID-19 from the start. And it’s still lying about the disease that has turned into a pandemic confirmed to be responsible for nearly 75 million infections around the world, including 17.2 million in the U.S.

The global death toll from the pandemic is over 1.6 million, including more than 310,000 in the U.S.


Beijing’s malignant behavior doesn’t stop with the pandemic, of course. Just this month we’ve learned of Chinese spies trying to seduce U.S. lawmakers and other politicians. And we’ve learned of other Chinese Communist Party members who have infiltrated a host of U.S. universities and businesses.

Naturally, the Chinese regime denies it all. Its dogged addiction to lying in the face of clear-cut facts is a worrisome indicator that the Beijing we must deal with now and into the future is even more duplicitous and aggressive than the Beijing of the past.

The regime’s mendaciousness about COVID-19 began when it underreported the size of the initial outbreak in China. Then the Communist government n tried to hide how contagious the disease was, even denying it could be transmitted by human-to-human contact.

The Chinese also allowed international travel to continue, knowing it was likely exporting a global outbreak.

Such self-evident falsehoods cannot stand forever. Even CNN, which at the time dutifully parroted the regime’s false talking points, recently admitted that China lied.

The Chinese are still lying, trying to pin the origin of COVID-19 seemingly anywhere other than Wuhan Province in their own country — the actual place where the disease first appeared.

Chinese officials suggested in March that COVID-19 it originated in, you guessed it, the U.S. Last month, they pointed fingers at India. Last week, they were blaming Italy.

The evidence for this latest claim? An Italian study that found cases in that country earlier than expected. The report’s authors, however, quickly debunked Beijing’s self-exonerating interpretation.

"These findings simply document that the epidemic in China was not detected in time," Giovanni Apolone, scientific director of Italy’s National Cancer Institute and a co-author of the study, told a news conference in Milan.

China’s outrageous conduct during the pandemic goes beyond mere lying and negligence. It also has bullied and threatened other nations.

At one point a Chinese official threatened to withhold medical supplies and personal protective equipment from the U.S. market. China also received criticism for exporting defective and substandard medical equipment.


Beijing’s continued aberrant behavior can lead to only one conclusion. The regime doesn’t believe honesty is the best policy. Rather, its preferred policy seems to be deceit and aggression.

Recently more news came to light of efforts by Chinese intelligence to infiltrate and influence government, including most famously the office of Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif.

And last week, a cache of leaked documents revealed Chinese Communist Party members are in positions of power and influence all over the world.

On the aggression front: Last week, pro-democracy dissidents in Hong Kong received harsh prison sentences under the sweeping "national security" law recently imposed by Beijing. The regime has also doubled down on its repression of the Uighur minority group with human rights abuses that many feel rise to the level of genocide.

As for bald-face deceit, the Chinese leader recently told the United Nations General Assembly that his country was leading the world in responding to climate concerns and protecting the planet.

In fact, China is the world’s leading polluter. It spews more greenhouse gases than any other nation, and its pollution is getting worse — not better.

Most of the 1.3 billion tons of plastics that are dumped into the oceans each year come from China. Many of Asia’s challenges in getting sufficient freshwater can be traced back to Chinese mismanagement.

China has not taken one step in statecraft that suggests the regime is interested in being a more responsible international partner.

There is a lesson to be learned here. For eight years President Barack Obama’s administration tried persistently to "reset" relations with Russia and consistently failed. There was a reason for that. Détente requires a partner that is willing to drop the aggressive behavior that caused problems to begin with.

Putin was never that partner, and Chinese President Xi Jinping is cut from the same mold.

There is zero evidence we are going to get a better Beijing anytime soon. It is the height of irresponsibility to believe that going easy on the Chinese Communist regime will produce anything other than more deceit and aggression and more disappointment for the free world.
 

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Concern among Muslims over halal status of COVID-19 vaccine



just a collective ploy to get it HALAL certified.. thats all.
in a way ..holding the nation at ransom with their ideological beliefs
 

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There is a likelyhood that the virus will eventually mutate into something else. However there is also a good probability that with sufficient vaccination before it mutates into something worse, the virus can be eliminated from the human population (so that it doesn't get a chance to mutate into a much worse virus). We have a small window of opportunity here to eliminate this virus from human population. I hope big pharma doesn't blow this chance because of greed, and provides the vaccine worldwide at low cost. I pray that there is at least one vaccine maker that is willing to cut down on profits for the greater good of mankind. If this virus is allowed to persist and mutate, it could turn into something much worse that could potentially kill a lot more people.
 

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European neighbours restrict travel to Britain as new coronavirus strain spreads

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What did they mean new strain? Has virus started to mutate or what? There was another tweet but less credible source claiming that the new strain was more dangerous. @johnq said it earlier, i guess he was right.
 

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Virus may have mutated or changed spreading much faster and more infectious?????
via ANI

Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS) to chair a meeting of joint monitoring group tomorrow over new mutated strain of #Coronavirus in United Kingdon, which has led to a surge in rate of infection there.

Sad.

What a curse this has turned out to be.
 

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