Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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  • no

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captscooby81

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That's because they have very few chinese virus cases compared to murika which is still reporting more cases even after vaccinating 20 crore of its population . Remember most of these tanks are purchased by expat community or Indian business groups like reliance and sent to India they are not entirely Gifts Aid .

Tiny Singapore has sent 46 cryogenic containers with not much fanfare, unlike the US whose help is more hot air than anything else..
 

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Y'all Nibbiars
Mother turned out to be a vaccine denier, I myself registered for vaccine, but she's hell bent on not getting the vaccine
Argument: she's allergic to different stuff
Apparently she's been watching too much YouTube in which * experts * dissect stuff

She refuses even to meet a doctor for professional advice, what to do, hai bhagwan
biological E vaccine ll be sub unit based vaccine .. subunit based vaccine have hardly any side effect and safer than others but give little bit low immunity . People fearful of vaccine can wait for that .
 

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That's because they have very few chinese virus cases compared to murika which is still reporting more cases even after vaccinating 20 crore of its population . Remember most of these tanks are purchased by expat community or Indian business groups like reliance and sent to India they are not entirely Gifts Aid .
I didn't mean gifts at all.. The very fact that a good number are allowed to be shipped out is a welcome sign.. Unlike many western countries which allow you to buy only token amounts.. or outright stop you from buying.. How many cryogenic containers has India been able to buy from the US ?
 
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What?! India is the disallowing Chinese vaccines. China would love to export Sinopharm and Sinovac (world's most exported vaccines) to India. Also China has sold India everything it needs even though Chinese technical products from Huawei base stations to KN95 masks are embargoed to help local Indian firms. Every spanner is caused by Indian side. China would sell anything to anyone because it is a trading nation.
Chinese "supplies" were largely founded substandard and unfit and even found "infected" in 2020 and was sent back to China.

The drama of its own portrayal as a saviour while India is "buying" out of everything, the politics now being played along for trade negotiations ensures that India's anti China positions are very reasonable.

Anyway Chinese stuff is known in India for low-cost but quite poor quality and lifespan and isn't recommended for any critical work. And I'm not trolling here. You can ask any Indian on internet you know.
Yes, China created a virus to attack Wuhan first. People believe in all kinds of conspiracy BS these days :crazy:
The theory says China tried to make bucks out of an accidentally leaked virus later.

Though government killing its own people isn't an abnormal thing in China. Especially with CCP.
 

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Chinese "supplies" were largely founded substandard and unfit and even found "infected" in 2020 and was sent back to China.

The drama of its own portrayal as a saviour while India is "buying" out of everything, the politics now being played along for trade negotiations ensures that India's anti China positions are very reasonable.

Anyway Chinese stuff is known in India for low-cost but quite poor quality and lifespan and isn't recommended for any critical work. And I'm not trolling here. You can ask any Indian on internet you know.

The theory says China tried to make bucks out of an accidentally leaked virus later.

Though government killing its own people isn't an abnormal thing in China. Especially with CCP.
I have a theory that the current zeitgeist of "planned obsolescence" in electronics is primarily a work around for choynese defects in workmanship and an exploitation of Western zombie consoomers who just "buy a new one" if something goes wrong.
The phenomenon of planned obsolescence of chinkshit items is most apparent in made-in-china smartphones and laptops.
 
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I have a theory that the current zeitgeist of "planned obsolescence" in electronics is primarily a work around for choynese defects in workmanship and an exploitation of Western zombie consoomers who just "buy a new one" if something goes wrong.
That one is because of low production quality in small factories and workshops.
The thing being done in COVID supplies is possibly deliberate though.
 

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That one is because of low production quality in small factories and workshops.
The thing being done in COVID supplies is possibly deliberate though.
They are shipping us the units that have failed QC as is and would normally be scrapped/repaired.
All foreign tribes are evil, kicking us when we are down.
 

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Looks like GOI is looking at importing Pfizer as well
 

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Looks like GOI is looking at importing Pfizer as well
These can be managed only in some urban areas where cold storage facilities are available. The infra required to put that up will add to the cost too much. This Pfizer supply should only go to private hospitals that manage storage and dist it.

We let go good another good chance of making capital by importing these vaccines.
 

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Major info coming out on origin of SARS COV-2 (Coronavirus)

SARS COV-2 isn't a natural virus. There is no evidence of it being present in any natural habitats including bats.


Researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, led by China’s leading expert on bat viruses, Shi Zheng-li or “Bat Lady,” mounted frequent expeditions to the bat-infested caves of Yunnan in southern China and collected around a hundred different bat coronaviruses.

It cannot yet be stated that Shi did or did not generate SARS2 in her lab because her records have been sealed, but it seems she was certainly on the right track to have done so. “It is clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was systematically constructing novel chimeric coronaviruses and was assessing their ability to infect human cells and human-ACE2-expressing mice,” says Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University and leading expert on biosafety.

It’s documented that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were doing gain-of-function experiments designed to make coronaviruses infect human cells and humanized mice. This is exactly the kind of experiment from which a SARS2-like virus could have emerged. The researchers were not vaccinated against the viruses under study, and they were working in the minimal safety conditions of a BSL2 laboratory. So escape of a virus would not be at all surprising. In all of China, the pandemic broke out on the doorstep of the Wuhan institute. The virus was already well adapted to humans, as expected for a virus grown in humanized mice. It possessed an unusual enhancement, a furin cleavage site, which is not possessed by any other known SARS-related beta-coronavirus, and this site included a double arginine codon also unknown among beta-coronaviruses. What more evidence could you want, aside from the presently unobtainable lab records documenting SARS2’s creation



After Fauci's interrogation by Senator Rand Paul made clear that all conspiracy about virus coming out of Wuhan lab was true.


Chinese were doing gain of functions trials in Wuhan lab. Meaning they were making new viruses to study. And Dr. Fauci's institute paid money for it.



This is the biggest story. US and China collaboration produced this deadly virus and this is not even conspiracy theory anymore. All those innocent lives lost all those who lost their loved ones because of a "Man made virus".

May god help us all.
Another thing to consider is that the Chinese have been eating bats for thousands of years, so they may have greater immunity against bat coronaviruses. It would explain why the Chinese military bioweapons division has created bioweapons using bat coronaviruses: Since you want the biological weapon to be more lethal to the enemy and less lethal to your own population. This may also explain why China is the only major country that did not see a second wave of Covid. Of course the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) also had prior knowledge which they used to lock down China even as they exported the virus to other countries using Chinese passengers traveling on other airlines and into other countries. The CCP also lied about person to person transmission for months to other countries, which also helped in spreading the virus outside China.
 

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Reports on the origin of Coronavirus: ‘Smoking Gun’ proof of the Chinese biological weapon
Recently a number of reports have come to the fore indicating that the Coronavirus was manufactured in Wuhan Institute of Virology as a bioweapon. Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro, raising serious questions over the Chinese handling for Covid-19, suggested that China could have developed the pathogen in a laboratory and disseminated it as a “biological warfare” for economic gain.

But he is not alone in this. US has recently come out with this theory. According to ‘The Sun’ newspaper in the UK, quoting reports first released by ‘The Australian’, the “bombshell” documents obtained by the US State Department reportedly show the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) commanders making the sinister prediction that the next World War would be fought with bioweapons. The US has reportedly obtained the papers, which were written by military scientists and senior Chinese public health officials in 2015 as part of the US investigation into the origins of COVID-19. The military document entitled “The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons” clearly reveal the Chinese military’s plans with regards to bioweapons.

The document is PLA’s bioweapon textbook by General Dezhong Xu, which points out two significant dimensions of the biological war. First, the ability to freeze-dry micro-organisms has made it possible to store biological agents and aerosolise them during attacks. Second, a bioweapon attack could cause the “enemy’s medical system to collapse”.

The authenticity of the documents has been verified by experts. Robert Potter, a digital forensics specialist, who has worked with for the US, Australian and Canadian governments, stated that it has been located on the Chinese internet. Another person who has confirmed its authenticity is Dr Le-meng Yan, who had worked in Hong Kong and was working on the origins of the Coronavirus. She had indicated that the Coronavirus was manufactured in the Wuhan lab and when she began to point out this fact, she was warned not to disclose the findings of her research. She later fled the country and took shelter in US. She has confirmed that the CCP was working on the bio-weapon since long.

Recently in an interview with Gaurav Sawant Dr Li averred that ‘this document is the ‘smoking gun’ that can prove China has a long-term programme of non-traditional bio-weapons and China plans to use it to conquer the whole world. Significantly, she pointed out that it was intentionally released and that the Chinese government knew it and that’s why they immediately had a response after the waiting hours. She also said that she had provided ‘enough solid scientific evidence together with intelligence evidence’ which China can’t deny. She had been continuously stating since her arrival in the US that the Coronavirus was made in the Wuhan lab. She had said that the genome sequence of COVID-19 looked like a human fingerprint.

Tugendhat, chairman of the Australian House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee, is reported to have said that this document raises major concerns about the ambitions of some of those who advise the top party leadership.

Earlier, Dr. Francis Boyle of the US, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act in 1989 had given a detailed statement admitting that the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus was a Chinese offensive Biological Warfare Weapon. Dr Boyle is well conversant with the biological weapons. He had drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by the then US President George H.W. Bush. Dr. Boyle points out that the Coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China had escaped from the Biosafety Level 4 Laboratory (BSL-4). He believes the virus is potentially lethal and an offensive biological warfare weapon or dual-use biowarfare weapons agent genetically modified with gain of function properties, which is why the Chinese government originally tried to cover it up.

There are credible reports that those scientists from the Wuhan lab had initially brought out this fact were told to keep quiet. Among the whistle-blower doctors was Li Wenliang, an ophthalmologist. The eight were hauled up by police for “spreading rumours” and forced to sign statements withdrawing their claims. Dr Li later died in February from the Covid-19. Media reports also suggest that Chinese labs studying the novel coronavirus in late December 2019 and early January 2020 received orders to destroy their samples. China had been opposing independent enquiry.

While the above statements and reports suggest that the virus was created in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, an article in the Global Times blamed that these are attempts to tarnish the image of China.

Since the pandemic emerged, Beijing has relied even more on disinformation and influence operations abroad. Beijing uses large numbers of fake social media accounts to push its messages. ProPublica had tracked more than 10,000 suspected fake Twitter accounts involved in a coordinated influence campaign with ties to the Chinese government/CCP. Among those are the hacked accounts of users from around the world that post the Chinese propaganda and disinformation about the Coronavirus outbreak. The Chinese influence operations are meant to capture mind and push individuals to project the Chinese propaganda. The big data is collected and programmes are carefully planned for this purpose. Individuals are so heavily bombarded with propaganda that their independent thinking gets impaired and they fail to logically think.

It may be added that it is difficult to distinguish between the lab made and natural virus as in both the process is the same. In the lab the scientists can tweak for faster spread but that can happen in the non-lab virus as well. The use of artificial intelligence is possible.

India had been aware of the fact like some other countries that countries in our neighbourhood were working to have this capability. In the Nuclear Doctrine, the trigger for retaliation was broadened by including “a major attack against India, or Indian forces anywhere, by biological or chemical weapons”. This was considered necessary as in India’s neighbourhood training to soldiers in chemical and biological warfare was being imparted. The inclusion in the Nuclear Doctrine was aimed at deterring the adversaries. That appears to have not worked. Under the current conditions, it is imperative for India to take necessary steps to be prepared to face such a challenge. These demand creation of a robust infrastructure for health care and having BSL-4 labs to have necessary vaccines and medicines for dangerous viruses.
 

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Finally some common sense.
Even fully-vaccinated need mask, distancing: Dr Randeep Guleria
Wearing of mask and physical distancing need to continue even by those who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19, AIIMS director Dr Randeep Guleria said underlining that the virus is constantly mutating and there is still uncertainty about how much vaccines can protect against the emerging variants. . .
“I think there is need to be cautious and at least till we have more data. Keeping in mind that this virus is very clever and keeps mutating, we cannot say what will be the protection from vaccines as far as new emerging variants are concerned. It is better to wear masks and maintain physical distance because no matter what the variants are, masks and physical distancing will protect,” Dr Guleria said.
Official sources in the health ministry said there is no plan to revise the advisory in India as of now. “We cannot take such a risk at this stage and though very few, there have been breakthrough infections. There is no way the masks can be kept aside,” a senior official said.
 

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