Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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  • no

    Votes: 13 10.1%

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another_armchair

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My colleagues are working from 8 AM to 10 PM and after that they are spending rest of their time attending calls. Really bad
Aren't people responsible for this mess? Had everybody religiously followed covid appropriate behaviour, we would not be in the present state, UK strain or double mutation notwithstanding.
 

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Vaccine hesitation was real and no matter how many varieties of vaccine would have been made available, the first 2-3 months would inevitably have been slower.
It's because we were hit with a massive second wave, people are talking in hindsight.

When staff of AIIMS were hesitant for Covaxin, do you think Sputnik V would have made any mark when WHO and other agencies were asking them for additional data?

Moderna, Pfizer would have worked but you know why the import didn't workout.
There was even more secrecy and negative PR about Sputnik in the world compared to any other vaccine.

If it was made available 3 months back, definitely there would have been big protest in India about banning sputnik in India slogan like 'Indians are not Guinea pigs!' "Ban Sputnik Save India"
 

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There was even more secrecy and negative PR about Sputnik in the world compared to any other vaccine.

If it was made available 3 months back, definitely there would have been big protest in India about banning sputnik in India slogan like 'Indians are not Guinea pigs!' "Ban Sputnik Save India"
Just more failure from this government in media management. They have done some good, certainly. However the best they could have done was destroy the ecosystem. They were warned. Now they will suffer.
 
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Rahul Gandhi
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GOI doesn’t get it. The only way to stop the spread of Corona now is a full lockdown- with the protection of NYAY for the vulnerable sections. GOI’s inaction is killing many innocent people.

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Piddi was exactly like this during Feb-March 2020 also, exact same narrative of "WE WILL ALL DIE WITHOUT LOCKDOWN".
After that spineless sadhu obliged him, it turned into "MODI DESTROYED THE LIVES AND LIVELIHOODS OF INDIANS BY IMPOSING HASTILY IMPLEMENTED LOCKDOWN".
 

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Rahul Gandhi
@rahulgandhi

GOI doesn’t get it. The only way to stop the spread of Corona now is a full lockdown- with the protection of NYAY for the vulnerable sections. GOI’s inaction is killing many innocent people.

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Piddi was exactly like this during Feb-March 2020 also, exact same narrative of "WE WILL ALL DIE WITHOUT LOCKDOWN".
After that spineless sadhu obliged him, it turned into "MODI DESTROYED THE LIVES AND LIVELIHOODS OF INDIANS BY IMPOSING HASTILY IMPLEMENTED LOCKDOWN".
Here is the deal, We are in a race against time on multiple fronts, and we are being crushed on each front with no respite whatsoever. This situation can't go on, there is simply not enough slack in the system to absorb the continuing increment in strain.

1. We need time to ramp up the medical infrastructure given the current one is severely inadequate. It will take time, few weeks by our estimates for major cities, could be more than a couple of months for rural regions.

2. The medical staff is working at over 100% normal capacity for months now across the country. Reserves are nonexistent. Beyond the obvious and sad losses to covid, there is also a steady build up of systematic fatigue and frustration, anxiety and stress related problems across health workers. The situation is worse than that for soldiers in the Eastern Front during WW2. Active combat would largely sustain for 3-4 days or 5-6 using Meth. Here the individuals are being pushed beyond their capacity for weeks. We are at risk of sections or a large part of the healthcare workers collapsing from overwork, similar to what happened in Sweden and Italy and a few countries. We cannot afford that come what may.

3. We are now finally acknowledging the reality that a third wave is in the works, somewhere, quietly. We need to spread out the gap between the second wave and the third wave to the maximum extent possible. We are also at considerable risk of this wave being a prolonged one with multiple spikes/peaks as opposed to the smooth curve of first wave. God Forbid if it kicks in right around the time this wave hits its peak. It'll make last year's abhorrent headline chasing projections look like a trip to a cherry blossom event.

4. Vaccines are coming. But the earliest projections we have is that vaccine manufacture will pick up to bare minimum acceptable levels only around end June-Early July. If TRIPS-WTO agrees to a waiver of patents, we will still require another 4-6 months from that date before new generic vaccine manufacturers can enter the market in quantity. Additionally, we estimate that US and Europe will have a excess of over 100-200 million doses by July end. We can't be sure but it is something we may be able to tap into in an emergency. But that is still another 3 months away.

We need a lockdown. This is why almost every single expert is now favoring a lockdown across the country. In military terms, we dont have the capability to go on an offensive, our objectives should be decisively fighting a delaying action across the fronts, while waiting for strategic reserves to move up.

As for the argument of economic activity, it has already collapsed. Industry after industry is shutting down. Real Estate has ground to a halt. Q1 FY21 had a GDP growth of -23% on an annualized basis. It would require a GDP growth of close to 33% GDP growth to offset the loss for that period alone. We were on track for atleast a 25% growth in this quarter before covid. Instead we are likely to see GDP growth rates of 10-15%, which looks great, but it essentially means we haven't even covered the gap from last year's Q1.
 

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Here is the deal, We are in a race against time on multiple fronts, and we are being crushed on each front with no respite whatsoever. This situation can't go on, there is simply not enough slack in the system to absorb the continuing increment in strain.

1. We need time to ramp up the medical infrastructure given the current one is severely inadequate. It will take time, few weeks by our estimates for major cities, could be more than a couple of months for rural regions.

2. The medical staff is working at over 100% normal capacity for months now across the country. Reserves are nonexistent. Beyond the obvious and sad losses to covid, there is also a steady build up of systematic fatigue and frustration, anxiety and stress related problems across health workers. The situation is worse than that for soldiers in the Eastern Front during WW2. Active combat would largely sustain for 3-4 days or 5-6 using Meth. Here the individuals are being pushed beyond their capacity for weeks. We are at risk of sections or a large part of the healthcare workers collapsing from overwork, similar to what happened in Sweden and Italy and a few countries. We cannot afford that come what may.

3. We are now finally acknowledging the reality that a third wave is in the works, somewhere, quietly. We need to spread out the gap between the second wave and the third wave to the maximum extent possible. We are also at considerable risk of this wave being a prolonged one with multiple spikes/peaks as opposed to the smooth curve of first wave. God Forbid if it kicks in right around the time this wave hits its peak. It'll make last year's abhorrent headline chasing projections look like a trip to a cherry blossom event.

4. Vaccines are coming. But the earliest projections we have is that vaccine manufacture will pick up to bare minimum acceptable levels only around end June-Early July. If TRIPS-WTO agrees to a waiver of patents, we will still require another 4-6 months from that date before new generic vaccine manufacturers can enter the market in quantity. Additionally, we estimate that US and Europe will have a excess of over 100-200 million doses by July end. We can't be sure but it is something we may be able to tap into in an emergency. But that is still another 3 months away.

We need a lockdown. This is why almost every single expert is now favoring a lockdown across the country. In military terms, we dont have the capability to go on an offensive, our objectives should be decisively fighting a delaying action across the fronts, while waiting for strategic reserves to move up.

As for the argument of economic activity, it has already collapsed. Industry after industry is shutting down. Real Estate has ground to a halt. Q1 FY21 had a GDP growth of -23% on an annualized basis. It would require a GDP growth of close to 33% GDP growth to offset the loss for that period alone. We were on track for atleast a 25% growth in this quarter before covid. Instead we are likely to see GDP growth rates of 10-15%, which looks great, but it essentially means we haven't even covered the gap from last year's Q1.
I disagree. Localized lockdowns in areas with large case numbers are more effective. Also, more daily wage workers can die from starvation due to being out of work as a result of a total nationwide lockdown than due to Covid. That may not be the ideal situation, but it is the reality on the ground in much of India.
 

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One interesting data that we are not getting the hold of.

How many vaccinated frontline healthcare workers recontacted Corona after getting vaccinated?
This will most likely give us a clear picture of the vaccine effectiveness.

In the long term we must work on a vaccine that can fight off even the most virulent mutation of Corona and conduct a vaccination drive once and for all once we have vaccinated the everyone with the initial batches of Vaccine.
 

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I chose the China, but I don't know why the American flag came out.
Ofcourse you are using a VPN being the privileged set of people in China who are in the bureau's "communications" office, with the sole brief on spinning narrative to suit the party's directive. The mango Chinese doesnt have access to outside world, much less to DFI.
There is a roster of them, with shifts, sites to influence, bot support for clicks/likes, a handy toolkit of photos, graphs and links to pliant media all included. Its a well funded and well organized, operation,we have to give them that.
 

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Ofcourse you are using a VPN being the privileged set of people in China who are in the bureau's "communications" office, with the sole brief on spinning narrative to suit the party's directive. The mango Chinese doesnt have access to outside world, much less to DFI.
There is a roster of them, with shifts, sites to influence, bot support for clicks/likes, a handy toolkit of photos, graphs and links to pliant media all included. Its a well funded and well organized, operation,we have to give them that.
They do, but the mango ching will never come to some indian defense forum site, and even if he does, won't be there for 4-5 years shilling continously.
 

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