Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

[Indrajit]

I am tracking these Supreme Court proceedings, what is not being said in the news media is that govt officers, oxygen generators, oxygen suppliers, ambulance drivers etc all critical elements to maintain optimal service to citizens are themselves infected by Covid, some of these people are soldiering on and some are not able to give their full attention to their duty even if they want to. most critical supply chains are working at 50% manpower.

Inspite of all this, all systems are working with more than 150% efficiency than they handle in normal days.

simple example : when we say India’s medical oxygen production is increased from 2500 MT to 9000 MT daily capacity, somebody is evacuating this stock to hospitals and homes. Which means trucks are making 300% more trips than they usually do, that means drivers are making more trips than they usually do, and drivers are not immune to Chinese virus, some many not be able to drive and yet there 300% evacuation oxygen stock across the country.

negativity in media is blinding us from recognising how much the system is stretched.

Appreciate your point. Saying that there is blame to be given is not to take away from the system doing its best. The system does do what it has to and more but this is unfortunately the firefighting mode. The fire is already spread wide and the best efforts will still not be enough. Sadly. There will be a lot of unrecognized heroes but this is a system that is to quite an extent overwhelmed by the size of the problem.

I am almost never negative simply because it doesn't help. However there is absolutely no point in pretending that no one has failed, even a little bit and no blame needs to be attached to any one. We have a very serious problem on our hands and if we understand the cycle, the deaths lag the numbers by about 2 weeks. Not a heartening thought. Hopefully, we pull of a miracle but i am afraid we will see more heartbreaking stuff before that happens. I can only hope that we somehow escape that with as little pain as possible.

 

[mokoman]

English media and SM is largely irrelevant in India. They are also never going to be Modi friendly.

Hindi and regional media is what matters. Problem is they tend to be under the control of state governments.

With an adversarial US government, money poring in, media is going to be very difficult for BJP to manage.

They need to find an alternate route and quick.



Nothing could have prevented this wave. Come November, with cases down significantly, there was no reason for the government to keep lockdowns or controls. Even if they did, people would have revolted.

If government tried to enforce high handedly, the courts would have reprimanded them.

Besides, the center could have given all the strick orders it wanted to, it was upto states to implement them. There you have the utterly incompetent state administrations which were demonising vaccines.

All the center could have done better was start vaccination earlier, placed a larger order and stocked up on oxygen, ventilators, drugs etc.

Apart from that its Indian nature, we want rights without responsibility. Even now you have morons having marriages and then getting sick and cursing the government. Frankly, they deserve what's coming to them.

The problem is people thought this was a one time things and it got over late last year. They didn't want to beleive there would be other waves.

Now deal with it. The center has some blame but mostly it's people themselves and state governments for most part.

For those claiming center did no wrong , i have 2 questions

- why hasnt the 162 oxygen plants , some in center run hospitals not come up ?
center gave out tender in october , apart from 5/6 none still functioning.

- why didnt center give out 4300 crore fund to SII and Bharat Biotech only in April .
vaccine capacity expansion should have done last year itself.

center+state+public got busy with elections , their life and forgot covid existed , what else.

PM is head of nation , if nation is fucked he has to share responsibility for it .

 

[ezsasa]

Appreciate your point. Saying that there is blame to be given is not to take away from the system doing its best. The system does do what it has to and more but this is unfortunately the firefighting mode. The fire is already spread wide and the best efforts will still not be enough. Sadly. There will be a lot of unrecognized heroes but this is a system that is to quite an extent overwhelmed by the size of the problem.

I am almost never negative simply because it doesn't help. However there is absolutely no point in pretending that no one has failed, even a little bit and no blame needs to be attached to any one. We have a very serious problem on our hands and if we understand the cycle, the deaths lag the numbers by about 2 weeks. Not a heartening thought. Hopefully, we pull of a miracle but i am afraid we will see more heartbreaking stuff before that happens. I can only hope that we somehow escape that with as little pain as possible.

that’s the very nature of a catastrophe, it tests the entire structure and system.

 

[BlackViking]

For those claiming center did no wrong , i have 2 questions

- why hasnt the 162 oxygen plants , some in center run hospitals not come up ?
center gave out tender in october , apart from 5/6 none still functioning.

- why didnt center give out 4300 crore fund to SII and Bharat Biotech only in April .
vaccine capacity expansion should have done last year itself.

center+state+public got busy with elections , their life and forgot covid existed , what else.

PM is head of nation , if nation is fucked he has to share responsibility for it .

Who is saying GoI isn't at fault? The bone of contention is "Modi did wrong" and "only Modi did wrong". Unfortunately everyone is busy supporting the later.

 

[ezsasa]

For those claiming center did no wrong , i have 2 questions

- why hasnt the 162 oxygen plants , some in center run hospitals not come up ?
center gave out tender in october , apart from 5/6 none still functioning.

- why didnt center give out 4300 crore fund to SII and Bharat Biotech only in April .
vaccine capacity expansion should have done last year itself.

center+state+public got busy with elections , their life and forgot covid existed , what else.

PM is head of nation , if nation is fucked he has to share responsibility for it .

on the first one @ladder did some digging, let him explain.

for second one, private players have access to banks, GoI is not the only source of funds for them. if you recall SII has been building a new plant since last 2-3 years, pre Chinese virus pandemic.

 

[RedPumpkin]

Dadi Chandra tomar senior shooter from UP passed away covid

'Shooter Dadi' Chandro Tomar dies after testing positive for Covid

'Shooter Dadi' Chandro Tomar has passed away after being infected with the novel Coronavirus. | OpIndia News

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[hit&run]

Clam down people. Stop talking to each other, instead discuss the topic.

One offender is banned, few more on watch. Keep it safe for everyone.

 

[hit&run]

The virus is enemy.
The system is overwhelmed.
No preparation would have been sufficient to help people.
It is very hard to live off Masks and sanitizers.
Lockdowns are the only way.
Can people survive lockdowns? I don’t know.
Vaccination is the only help and it will be needed every year.

 

[johnq]

India should boycott Beijing 2022 Olympics. The Chinese Communist Party is stopping essential Covid supplies and drug components from reaching India by suspending their airlines from flying to India.

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Pharma exports body seeks Indian Ambassador in China s intervention on Sichuan Airline issue
Hyderabad, April 29 (PTI): Pharmexcil, a pharmaceuticals exports body under the Ministry of Commerce, on Thursday sought the intervention of Indian Ambassador in China Vikram Misri, into the cargo supply disruption caused by the suspension of the eastern countrys state-run Sichuan Airlines.

Director General of Pharmaceuticals Export Promotion Council of India (Pharmexcil), Udaya Bhaskar, in a letter written to Misri stated that the cargo flights' suspension is likely to disrupt frantic efforts by Indian pharma industry to import medical supplies including oxygen concentrators.

Sichuan Airlines recently suspended all its cargo flights to India for 15 days, causing major disruption to private traders' efforts to procure the much-needed oxygen concentrators and other medical supplies from China despite Beijing offering 'support and assistance' to deal with the latest surge of COVID-19 cases.

'We therefore, would like to request His Excellency to intervene and to take necessary measures to restore the supply chain of medical needs of our country including KSMs (key starting materials)/APIs etc either by restoring the cargo services of Sichuan Airlines or by way of arranging Indian air cargo to lift the medical supplies at the interest of the people during these difficult times,' Udaya Bhaskar requested the Indian envoy.

He said India sources almost 60 to 70 per cent of its requirements of drug intermediates, KSMs and active pharmaceutical ingredients (API) from China and most importantly 45 to 50 per cent of all APIs imported figure in the National List of Essential Medicines.

 

[shade]

India should boycott Beijing 2022 Olympics. The Chinese Communist Party is stopping essential Covid supplies and drug components from reaching India by suspending their airlines from flying to India.

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Pharma exports body seeks Indian Ambassador in China s intervention on Sichuan Airline issue
Hyderabad, April 29 (PTI): Pharmexcil, a pharmaceuticals exports body under the Ministry of Commerce, on Thursday sought the intervention of Indian Ambassador in China Vikram Misri, into the cargo supply disruption caused by the suspension of the eastern countrys state-run Sichuan Airlines.

Director General of Pharmaceuticals Export Promotion Council of India (Pharmexcil), Udaya Bhaskar, in a letter written to Misri stated that the cargo flights' suspension is likely to disrupt frantic efforts by Indian pharma industry to import medical supplies including oxygen concentrators.

Sichuan Airlines recently suspended all its cargo flights to India for 15 days, causing major disruption to private traders' efforts to procure the much-needed oxygen concentrators and other medical supplies from China despite Beijing offering 'support and assistance' to deal with the latest surge of COVID-19 cases.

'We therefore, would like to request His Excellency to intervene and to take necessary measures to restore the supply chain of medical needs of our country including KSMs (key starting materials)/APIs etc either by restoring the cargo services of Sichuan Airlines or by way of arranging Indian air cargo to lift the medical supplies at the interest of the people during these difficult times,' Udaya Bhaskar requested the Indian envoy.

He said India sources almost 60 to 70 per cent of its requirements of drug intermediates, KSMs and active pharmaceutical ingredients (API) from China and most importantly 45 to 50 per cent of all APIs imported figure in the National List of Essential Medicines.

Now it's time for Babaji to beg the PRC also, at the behest of Pharma merchants, it was the Vaccine Parsee earlier, now this, looks like you have to get humiliated by both G2 partners, begging just one for APIs isn't enough.

 

[Tuco]

 

[SKC]

India should boycott Beijing 2022 Olympics. The Chinese Communist Party is stopping essential Covid supplies and drug components from reaching India by suspending their airlines from flying to India.

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Pharma exports body seeks Indian Ambassador in China s intervention on Sichuan Airline issue
Hyderabad, April 29 (PTI): Pharmexcil, a pharmaceuticals exports body under the Ministry of Commerce, on Thursday sought the intervention of Indian Ambassador in China Vikram Misri, into the cargo supply disruption caused by the suspension of the eastern countrys state-run Sichuan Airlines.

Director General of Pharmaceuticals Export Promotion Council of India (Pharmexcil), Udaya Bhaskar, in a letter written to Misri stated that the cargo flights' suspension is likely to disrupt frantic efforts by Indian pharma industry to import medical supplies including oxygen concentrators.

Sichuan Airlines recently suspended all its cargo flights to India for 15 days, causing major disruption to private traders' efforts to procure the much-needed oxygen concentrators and other medical supplies from China despite Beijing offering 'support and assistance' to deal with the latest surge of COVID-19 cases.

'We therefore, would like to request His Excellency to intervene and to take necessary measures to restore the supply chain of medical needs of our country including KSMs (key starting materials)/APIs etc either by restoring the cargo services of Sichuan Airlines or by way of arranging Indian air cargo to lift the medical supplies at the interest of the people during these difficult times,' Udaya Bhaskar requested the Indian envoy.

He said India sources almost 60 to 70 per cent of its requirements of drug intermediates, KSMs and active pharmaceutical ingredients (API) from China and most importantly 45 to 50 per cent of all APIs imported figure in the National List of Essential Medicines.

This is winter Olympics I guess. We are not getting any medals in Summer Olympics so boycotting winter one should be an issue.

 

[mandestiny]

Idea: Once all things back to normal , I think govt can order hospitals to have an arrangement to run beds in houses , if hosp is full.
Hospital can design a mini-machine that can easily setup at homes connected via network, this way doctor are get connected and can deploy nurse to each patient . This way create more jobs. It will act as an extension of a hospital.

Solution to mass population of india.

 

[shade]

This is winter Olympics I guess. We are not getting any medals in Summer Olympics so boycotting winter one should be an issue.

Beg, not boycott.
In exchange for the Illustrious SupaPowa Numba-Wan PRC allowing Indian Pharma merchants to buy their precious API, we will have to allow Huawei/ZTE into those lucrative 5G contracts, along with some other concessions.

 

[mokoman]

on the first one @ladder did some digging, let him explain.

for second one, private players have access to banks, GoI is not the only source of funds for them. if you recall SII has been building a new plant since last 2-3 years, pre Chinese virus pandemic.

i already checked up on first.

projects were held up because of bureaucracy.

for 2nd you are not wrong but the 4300 crore is without bank guarantee , i imagine sanctioning that much amount needed more paper work + law change but its still no excuse.

SII got 300 million with "no strings attached" months ago from bill gates. Bharat biotech didnt get anything.

I am not blaming PM Modi mind you , but this is simply how shit goes in our country.

 

[doreamon]

Now it's time for Babaji to beg the PRC also, at the behest of Pharma merchants, it was the Vaccine Parsee earlier, now this, looks like you have to get humiliated by both G2 partners, begging just one for APIs isn't enough.

This is a lession .. we learnt one lesson hard way in 1991 . This time its another lesson .

 

[ladder]

Idea: Once all things back to normal , I think govt can order hospitals to have an arrangement to run beds in houses , if hosp is full.
Hospital can design a mini-machine that can easily setup at homes connected via network, this way doctor are get connected and can deploy nurse to each patient . This way create more jobs. It will act as an extension of a hospital.

Solution to mass population of india.

Organization like portea.com already do it.
But as you have suggested, we have to deploy in mass scale.

Also need to include home hospitalization under full medical insurance. Now it is only covered under domiciliary cost of hospitalization.

 

[tarunraju]

Also died of COVID-19 today:

• The Chief Secretary of Bihar (the state's highest ranking bureaucrat)
• UP's senior-most IAS officer who Yogi considers his trusted advisor

What a strange and tragic day this is turning out to be.

 

[ezsasa]

I am not blaming PM Modi mind you , but this is simply how shit goes in our country.

There are wheels within wheels within wheels ....

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Mehra is Delhi Govt advocate, Jain is Inox air advocate.

Mehra: Inox has given erratic figures to Ganga Ram, against the Centre allocated supply of 10 MT.
Jain joins.

Jain: I am shocked as to how Mr. Mehra can say such things, when the Delhi Govt itself has failed miserably as compared to others.

Jain: They keep changing supply figures like pizza delivery numbers. I've already pointed out that we have been supplying to nearly 45 hospitals.

Delhi govt submits through Mehra that Seth Air, fortunately or unfortunately, seemed to have a magic wand and ensured supply whenever approached. However, has left everything on Delhi govt following order directing take over of Seth Air by govt.

Mehra beseeches Court to suspend this order. Court suspends the order noting that it is doing so as it was obstructing supply.

 

[mandestiny]

Organization like portea.com already do it.
But as you have suggested, we have to deploy in mass scale.

This solution we can think of. Otherwise for 135cr people , create as many as bed in hospital will not work.