Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

[ketaki]

teri jat sirf aur sirf akhad chutye ki hai aur tujhe dharti pe oxygen barbad karne ke liye bhaja gaya hai.

thats brazenly casteist and I condemn it...
what popye said was not not fine either but behave yourself

 

[Lost user]

I recommend going back to Covid coverage from 2020 New York City during the first wave, when bodies were piling up on the streets and hospitals could not accept any more patients!
US has a far better medical system with a lot more doctors per person and less than a third of the population of India. But even the US had bodies lining up the streets during the first wave! That is just the nature of a pandemic, because when too many people get sick at the same time, of course you will run out of hospital capacity and treatment options. And even then, the American leftist media used the situation to attack Trump and the US government in order to influence regime change.
But my post was more specifically directed at Chinese Communist Party (CCP) influencers embedded in the western media who are targeting regime change in India as well as trying to break up the quad (by pulling India and US apart through the use of negative news stories targeted at Indian government being reported through CCP proxies in western media; thus putting the blame on the west instead of the CCP).

Dude, you dont need CCP influencers to ply their influence over western media, to demean India and weaken the Quad. Western media has been engaged in vulture journalism on India, right from Indian independence.. Thats the Gora's default setting.

 

[Nicky G]

But who will explain this in easier language to common people.

The narrative being paddled everywhere is center failed India! Center needs to answer on everything.

Even my parents were not aware of these things when I explained it to them.

Pathetic media management by NDA.

On that you won't find any argument from me. There is no media platform that is pushing the government's narrative, if in fact they have one.

Personally, it seems like BJP folks seem to exhibit sadomasochistic tendencies. They enjoy getting beaten up in media despite being in the right.

No effort seems to have been made to correct situation.

 

[Indrajit]

Vaccine manufacteres wont ramp up capacity if they dont receive confirmed orders before hand.. Thats exactly wht usa did . It has ordered a stock twice its population . I am nt saying india shd do the same but states shd have been conveyed by dec jan so that order shd have been placed back then .. No amount invested in vaccination can be compared to tax money lost if we keep getting one wave aftr another of covid ...Feel lyk some experts or beaurocrats doing full time fckery with this establishment .

Vaccine makers are at full capacity, atleast according to them. I dont know, I have my doubts. A very low price is less incentive to ramp up production. we will have to see.

 

[IndianYonko]

On that you won't find any argument from me. There is no media platform that is pushing the government's narrative, if in fact they have one.

Personally, it seems like BJP folks seem to exhibit sadomasochistic tendencies. They enjoy getting beaten up in media despite being in the right.

This is my observation from the start of the second wave. The media is denying NDA space; somewhat similar to what happened to Trump. And a timid guy like Sudhanshu Trivedi doesn't help either. Sambit Patra was decent.

No effort seems to have been made to correct the situation.

The only thing that can be done is put them on existential threat i.e. if you cross the line you are doomed. Otherwise, the media will act like vultures.

 

[doreamon]

The supplies from the US in the first emergency relief shipment comprised over 400 oxygen cylinders and regulators donated by California, 960,000 rapid diagnostic tests, and 100,000 N95 masks provided by USAID.
Another consignment carrying oxygen concentrators and generators ll arrive soon .

'Deeply Appreciate Gift': India Expresses Gratitude After Receiving First Consignment of US Covid Aid - News18

The supplies from the US in the first emergency relief shipment comprised over 400 oxygen cylinders and regulators donated by California

www.google.com

 

[SKC]

The supplies from the US in the first emergency relief shipment comprised over 400 oxygen cylinders and regulators donated by California, 960,000 rapid diagnostic tests, and 100,000 N95 masks provided by USAID.
Another consignment carrying oxygen concentrators and generators ll arrive soon .

'Deeply Appreciate Gift': India Expresses Gratitude After Receiving First Consignment of US Covid Aid - News18

The supplies from the US in the first emergency relief shipment comprised over 400 oxygen cylinders and regulators donated by California

www.google.com

yeh Mask to already Indian mai overproduction mai hai. Why non essential things being sent!

We are making 200 Million N95 masks and 600 million surgical masks each month.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

The supplies from the US in the first emergency relief shipment comprised over 400 oxygen cylinders and regulators donated by California, 960,000 rapid diagnostic tests, and 100,000 N95 masks provided by USAID.
Another consignment carrying oxygen concentrators and generators ll arrive soon .

'Deeply Appreciate Gift': India Expresses Gratitude After Receiving First Consignment of US Covid Aid - News18

The supplies from the US in the first emergency relief shipment comprised over 400 oxygen cylinders and regulators donated by California

www.google.com

Wah , just wah pehle mask bheja hai lol

 

[shashankk]

thats brazenly casteist and I condemn it...
what popye said was not not fine either but behave yourself

I behaved Madam thats why havent used the words I wanted to. You have not seen his post which had been deleted by Mods hence you are preaching me behavioral lesson. In chutiyon ka swagat jute aur chappalon se hi sobha deta hai.

 

[ladder]

We now know the difference between industrial oxygen and medical oxygen and the how by modifying certain parameters medical oxygen can be produced from industrial oxygen plants.
But is there any process by which existing stock ( already produced) of industrial oxygen be converted to medical oxygen.
Any means of purification and certification?

 

[Indrajit]

But who will explain this in easier language to common people.

The narrative being paddled everywhere is center failed India! Center needs to answer on everything.

Even my parents were not aware of these things when I explained it to them.

Pathetic media management by NDA.

There is no sugar coating this. The centre has failed India. No amount of spin can change that. They are not the only ones though. The states have all failed too. Big ones, badly! Delhi, absolutely and totally.

People are the worst offenders themselves but this is India, absolutely no personal responsibility whatsoever, which meant that the rules needed to be stricter. Unfortunately, all this is water under the bridge now and we are facing a terrible situation. We can only hope and pray. There is very little the centre or states can do now, maybe a complete lockdown but that brings with it other problems. Absent that, we just have to pray.

 

[IndianYonko]

There is no sugar coating this. The centre has failed India. No amount of spin can change that. They are not the only ones though. The states have all failed too. Big ones, badly! Delhi, absolutely and totally.

People are the worst offenders themselves but this is India, absolutely no personal responsibility whatsoever, which meant that the rules needed to be stricter. Unfortunately, all this is water under the bridge now and we are facing a terrible situation. We can only hope and pray. There is very little the centre or states can do now, maybe a complete lockdown but that brings with it other problems. Absent that, we just have to pray.

Simply bullshit.

 

[Nicky G]

This is my observation from the start of the second wave. The media is denying NDA space; somewhat similar to what happened to Trump. And a timid guy like Sudhanshu Trivedi doesn't help either. Sambit Patra was decent.

The only thing that can be done is put them on existential threat i.e. if you cross the line you are doomed. Otherwise, the media will act like vultures.

English media and SM is largely irrelevant in India. They are also never going to be Modi friendly.

Hindi and regional media is what matters. Problem is they tend to be under the control of state governments.

With an adversarial US government, money poring in, media is going to be very difficult for BJP to manage.

They need to find an alternate route and quick.

There is no sugar coating this. The centre has failed India. No amount of spin can change that. They are not the only ones though. The states have all failed too. Big ones, badly! Delhi, absolutely and totally.

People are the worst offenders themselves but this is India, absolutely no personal responsibility whatsoever, which meant that the rules needed to be stricter. Unfortunately, all this is water under the bridge now and we are facing a terrible situation. We can only hope and pray. There is very little the centre or states can do now, maybe a complete lockdown but that brings with it other problems. Absent that, we just have to pray.

Nothing could have prevented this wave. Come November, with cases down significantly, there was no reason for the government to keep lockdowns or controls. Even if they did, people would have revolted.

If government tried to enforce high handedly, the courts would have reprimanded them.

Besides, the center could have given all the strick orders it wanted to, it was upto states to implement them. There you have the utterly incompetent state administrations which were demonising vaccines.

All the center could have done better was start vaccination earlier, placed a larger order and stocked up on oxygen, ventilators, drugs etc.

Apart from that its Indian nature, we want rights without responsibility. Even now you have morons having marriages and then getting sick and cursing the government. Frankly, they deserve what's coming to them.

The problem is people thought this was a one time things and it got over late last year. They didn't want to beleive there would be other waves.

Now deal with it. The center has some blame but mostly it's people themselves and state governments for most part.

 

[Akula]

yeh Mask to already Indian mai overproduction mai hai. Why non essential things being sent!

We are making 200 Million N95 masks and 600 million surgical masks each month.

Vahi to, N95 masks are available at decent price now.

 

[ezsasa]

There is no sugar coating this. The centre has failed India. No amount of spin can change that. They are not the only ones though. The states have all failed too. Big ones, badly! Delhi, absolutely and totally.

People are the worst offenders themselves but this is India, absolutely no personal responsibility whatsoever, which meant that the rules needed to be stricter. Unfortunately, all this is water under the bridge now and we are facing a terrible situation. We can only hope and pray. There is very little the centre or states can do now, maybe a complete lockdown but that brings with it other problems. Absent that, we just have to pray.

I am tracking these Supreme Court proceedings, what is not being said in the news media is that govt officers, oxygen generators, oxygen suppliers, ambulance drivers etc all critical elements to maintain optimal service to citizens are themselves infected by Covid, some of these people are soldiering on and some are not able to give their full attention to their duty even if they want to. most critical supply chains are working at 50% manpower.

Inspite of all this, all systems are working with more than 150% efficiency than they handle in normal days.

simple example : when we say India’s medical oxygen production is increased from 2500 MT to 9000 MT daily capacity, somebody is evacuating this stock to hospitals and homes. Which means trucks are making 300% more trips than they usually do, that means drivers are making more trips than they usually do, and drivers are not immune to Chinese virus, some many not be able to drive and yet there 300% evacuation oxygen stock across the country.

negativity in media is blinding us from recognising how much the system is stretched.

 

[sunshine]

We now know the difference between industrial oxygen and medical oxygen and the how by modifying certain parameters medical oxygen can be produced from industrial oxygen plants.
But is there any process by which existing stock ( already produced) of industrial oxygen be converted to medical oxygen.
Any means of purification and certification?

The production line of industrial oxygen can be modified to produce medical oxygen.
Especially in some steel plants, a large amount of oxygen is needed. At the beginning, Wuhan Iron and Steel Plant refitted one of its production lines to produce medical oxygen.It produces 220,000 litres of oxygen per hour.

 

[ladder]

The production line of industrial oxygen can be modified to produce medical oxygen.
Especially in some steel plants, a large amount of oxygen is needed. At the beginning, Wuhan Iron and Steel Plant refitted one of its production lines to produce medical oxygen.It produces 220,000 litres of oxygen per hour.

Read again what has been posted and what is being asked.

 

[ezsasa]

I am tracking these Supreme Court proceedings, what is not being said in the news media is that govt officers, oxygen generators, oxygen suppliers, ambulance drivers etc all critical elements to maintain optimal service to citizens are themselves infected by Covid, some of these people are soldiering on and some are not able to give their full attention to their duty even if they want to. most critical supply chains are working at 50% manpower.

Inspite of all this, all systems are working with more than 150% efficiency than they handle in normal days.

simple example : when we say India’s medical oxygen production is increased from 2500 MT to 9000 MT daily capacity, somebody is evacuating this stock to hospitals and homes. Which means trucks are making 300% more trips than they usually do, that means drivers are making more trips than they usually do, and drivers are not immune to Chinese virus, some many not be able to drive and yet there 300% evacuation oxygen stock across the country.

negativity in media is blinding us from recognising how much the system is stretched.

Take this for example, a chief secretary is t senior most bureaucrat of the state. Redundancy built into the govt system is what keeping the system floating.

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Bihar’s Chief Secretary Arun Kumar Singh passed away due to #COVID19

 

[Indrajit]

Nothing could have prevented this wave. Come November, with cases down significantly, there was no reason for the government to keep lockdowns or controls. Even if they did, people would have revolted.

If government tried to enforce high handedly, the courts would have reprimanded them.

Besides, the center could have given all the strick orders it wanted to, it was upto states to implement them. There you have the utterly incompetent state administrations which were demonising vaccines.

All the center could have done better was start vaccination earlier, placed a larger order and stocked up on oxygen, ventilators, drugs etc.

Apart from that its Indian nature, we want rights without responsibility. Even now you have morons having marriages and then getting sick and cursing the government. Frankly, they deserve what's coming to them.

The problem is people thought this was a one time things and it got over late last year. They didn't want to beleive there would be other waves.

Now deal with it. The center has some blame but mostly it's people themselves and state governments for most part.

No disagreement. Blaming people is pointless, instructions have to come from the authorities here. People largely followed what the government asked of them last year . Self regulation was always going to be a failure, very few in the world would do that and Indians dont come in that list. State governments have failed, Maharashtra badly but others followed too. The clampdown should have been earlier when things were spiking in Maharashtra, Punjab, Delhi and Kerala.

Some things were beyond the governments control, the farmers agitation certainly contributed to the mess but the messaging was hardly going to be effective when election rallies were as massive as they were. Elections were there and so were rallies but impossible to get messaging correct during that period. Also the Kumbh while a peripheral contributor was very bad timing. With The PM and HM out campaigning, someone took their eyes of the ball in Delhi, political and bureaucratic. Now all we are doing is catching up and that's impossible till the peak gets reached on its own.

I think that with lowered covid cases, complacency had set in and while I admit i am commenting with the benefit of hindsight, somethings needed to be better handled and better prepared for. The system got complacent and didn't ramp up in preparations for a possible 2nd wave.

An additional point I want to make is with the vaccinations. Even with all the vaccine hesitancy, I believe the government should have made a list of about 30 cities and done enhanced vaccinations there, i.e. open for wider segments. these have been the super spreaders unfortunately. Not politically easy to sell but doable by getting states to do it under some classification. In the end, nothing may have been enough but there is blame to be spread all around.

 

[afako]

I am tracking these Supreme Court proceedings, what is not being said in the news media is that govt officers, oxygen generators, oxygen suppliers, ambulance drivers etc all critical elements to maintain optimal service to citizens are themselves infected by Covid, some of these people are soldiering on and some are not able to give their full attention to their duty even if they want to. most critical supply chains are working at 50% manpower.

Inspite of all this, all systems are working with more than 150% efficiency than they handle in normal days.

simple example : when we say India’s medical oxygen production is increased from 2500 MT to 9000 MT daily capacity, somebody is evacuating this stock to hospitals and homes. Which means trucks are making 300% more trips than they usually do, that means drivers are making more trips than they usually do, and drivers are not immune to Chinese virus, some many not be able to drive and yet there 300% evacuation oxygen stock across the country.

negativity in media is blinding us from recognising how much the system is stretched.

There has to be mass counter narrative of the negative reporting by MSM and leftists and recognition of the fact they were responsible for amplifying the situation from bad to worse. Selectively showing shortage of oxygen in some hospitals in one city due to local factors was extrapolated to national level and every Abdul started scouting for oxygen cylinder and stored in his locker in case of eventuality. The artifical scarcity and predatory tactics of the supply chain from doubling prices for lab tests, ambulances, private hospitals should never be forgotten.

Factual based reporting would have saved thousands of lives. Many people died who could have taken vaccines if not due to vaccine hesitancy spread by opposition chutiyas. Many people could have been saved if not all asymptomatic people occupying hospital beds needlessly who would have never done in the first place if it was not for media scarcity porn.