Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

[Okabe Rintarou]

So? 3L people with flu. So?

Very normal brother, any idea how many crores are under the flu every day in a normal year?
Covid kill rates are same as flu in India.

@spikey360 this is the second time you are forcing me to go against my self-imposed temp ban from this forum. Why are you spreading falsehoods regarding this virus? First it was "masks are not important 'cause they don't protect you", now it is "its just the flu bro"!?
How about you shut up and read for once about this virus and use your damn head for once, like you have been advising other people to? Sorry for my language but the first time I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but the second time again you are spreading falsehoods!

Tell me, is flu a respiratory disorder or otherwise?
What about Covid?

Covid is a blood clotting disorder, not a respiratory disorder. It enters our endothelial cells (that line the walls of our blood vessels) through the ACE 2 receptor and release the von Willebrand factor (something that is only supposed to happen in case of endothelial cell injury). von Willebrand factor can trigger blood clotting even in the absence of endothelial cell damage . Hence why we are witnessing Covid patients with thrombosis and embolisms.

Covid is causing organ damage at a MUCH HIGHER RATE than a flu. So now wonder if that is how high the death rate is, how high is the rate of permanent organ damage is. Add to that the people who end up contracting long Covid.

Your logic goes out the window the minute you realize that if every season we have so many flu patients, why is it that Covid is overwhelming our hospitals with people that need ventilators, oxygen, etc. If its "just the flu", why is this happening?

The "death rate is low" B.S. will come crashing down if, god forbids, the hospital system collapses. Go look at data for other countries. The death rate shoots up the minute hospital infra gets overwhelmed. tl;dr people will DIE without medical attention. So you are comparing death rate of flu without majority hopitalization with the death rate of Covid with hospital support. Remove the hospital support and you'll see ho high the covid death rate climbs.

Moreover, this virus, like all viruses, will continue to mutate the more it spreads. So statistically the chances of a mutant making vaccines ineffective grow stronger every time another person gets infected. Chances of re-infection also rise every time this happens.

So stop thinking that its "just the flu".

 

[sajobajo]

Just curious, for those comparing it to the common seasonal flu, how many of you had heard of near and dear ones, acquaintances, friends and associates being hospitalized or even died due to "flu" ever in India ? I hadnt, prior to 2020. Maybe it was common in western countries, but certainly not here.
Those who are denying this is a whole different beast are probably living in denial. I am not a doctor, but simply stating my observations as a common citizen of this country.

 

[Cheran]

This guy is no Pappu. He is a vile serial fake news peddler. I hope, who so ever comes in the future, this guy is never a part of it.

 

[Akula]

Just curious, for those comparing it to the common seasonal flu, how many of you had heard of near and dear ones, acquaintances, friends and associates being hospitalized or even died due to "flu" ever in India ? I hadnt, prior to 2020. Maybe it was common in western countries, but certainly not here.
Those who are denying this is a whole different beast are probably living in denial. I am not a doctor, but simply stating my observations as a common citizen of this country.

Denying anything related to Covid is stupidity and dangerous. I lost two relatives(Grandfather and uncle) on same day due to Covid. Both were in hospital for days.

 

[tarunraju]

Both my parents tested WuFlu-positive today. Dad had taken both shots of Covishield (Astrazenca) as he's a first-responder (a Project Director at National Health Mission), mom took her first shot as per her eligibility/slot-availability using that fucking Arogya-Setu app, no special privileges, and was awaiting her second shot.

So takeaway: the vaccine is snake-oil against the newer variants. Dad says he hopes it will at least prevent a hospitalisation.

CKMKB

 

[fooLIam]

Namskar.
I was debating with this person who was quoting these youtube videos and only blaming PM for this second wave of chinese virus. I was pointing out why would not you criticize inept state machinary and all the great CMs and he start going hyperbole and said "pm cares fund" why can not goverment disclose it,why does not it comes under RTI.
How to argue this. Really huge amount of theses youtube wannabe and reporters are setting these narrative.

 

[Kumata]

Both my parents tested WuFlu-positive today. Dad had taken both shots of Covishield (Astrazenca) as he's a first-responder (a Project Director at National Health Mission), mom took her first shot as per her eligibility/slot-availability using that fucking Arogya-Setu app, no special privileges, and was awaiting her second shot.

So takeaway: the vaccine is snake-oil against the newer variants. Dad says he hopes it will at least prevent a hospitalisation.

CKMKB

Hoping he gets well Soon.

Rest, he is correct.. only thing this vaccine will do is to ensure he gets well at home without need for hospitalization.

 

[another_armchair]

Just curious, for those comparing it to the common seasonal flu, how many of you had heard of near and dear ones, acquaintances, friends and associates being hospitalized or even died due to "flu" ever in India ? I hadnt, prior to 2020. Maybe it was common in western countries, but certainly not here.
Those who are denying this is a whole different beast are probably living in denial. I am not a doctor, but simply stating my observations as a common citizen of this country.

When was the last time we had nationwide medical emergencies because of a seasonal flu?

It is no simple flu Sir. O2 plummets like a rock and people die gasping for breath. Something that can be witnessed only during a large scale chemical attack. Trust me, it is not a pretty sight.

Experienced healthcare professionals, ICU doctors, emergency doctors are ending up traumatized with the volume and it just keeps coming in waves. Indian's are generally quite a tough lot and don't crack easily, but mentally, a good number of them are in a pretty messed up state.

My younger cousin is a doc in a pvt hospital and she was telling me how some of her colleagues get flashes of them slashing themselves or just jumping out of the window in their PPE suits.

Grown up senior docs are finding it tough losing so many patients every day.

 

[shade]

Both my parents tested WuFlu-positive today. Dad had taken both shots of Covishield (Astrazenca) as he's a first-responder (a Project Director at National Health Mission), mom took her first shot as per her eligibility/slot-availability using that fucking Arogya-Setu app, no special privileges, and was awaiting her second shot.

So takeaway: the vaccine is snake-oil against the newer variants. Dad says he hopes it will at least prevent a hospitalisation.

CKMKB

Apparently the vaccine doesn't make you immune to the kung flu, but will just make sure it won't turn serious and you won't die painfully gasping for breath.
Atleast that's what they say.

 

[another_armchair]

Both my parents tested WuFlu-positive today. Dad had taken both shots of Covishield (Astrazenca) as he's a first-responder (a Project Director at National Health Mission), mom took her first shot as per her eligibility/slot-availability using that fucking Arogya-Setu app, no special privileges, and was awaiting her second shot.

So takeaway: the vaccine is snake-oil against the newer variants. Dad says he hopes it will at least prevent a hospitalisation.

CKMKB

Wishing them a speedy recovery. Take good care.

There is only so much we can do.

 

[sajobajo]

Both my parents tested WuFlu-positive today. Dad had taken both shots of Covishield (Astrazenca) as he's a first-responder (a Project Director at National Health Mission), mom took her first shot as per her eligibility/slot-availability using that fucking Arogya-Setu app, no special privileges, and was awaiting her second shot.

So takeaway: the vaccine is snake-oil against the newer variants. Dad says he hopes it will at least prevent a hospitalisation.

CKMKB

Tarunraju ji, gentle pranams..
How long since they have been showing symptoms? Hopefully, they would get the medical care they need at home only, and wont need any further care.

 

[Tuco]

Maskup ,wash ur hands and stay indoors as much as possible. It's not difficult to stay safe and protected. I hate to say this, still I don't see general awareness. Every morning I go for a walk and see people with no masks sticking together infront of vegetable vendors ,milk vendors etc... is this because of our mentality or the habit induced by overpopulation. Every thing is a competition buying vegetables , shopping every little thing preventing proper social distancing. Just require some patience.

One of my friends got married in the first week of March. Didn't follow any laid out precautions, by 20th March he lost both of his inlaws,uncle, aunt both grand parents .

 

[Tuco]

Both my parents tested WuFlu-positive today. Dad had taken both shots of Covishield (Astrazenca) as he's a first-responder (a Project Director at National Health Mission), mom took her first shot as per her eligibility/slot-availability using that fucking Arogya-Setu app, no special privileges, and was awaiting her second shot.

So takeaway: the vaccine is snake-oil against the newer variants. Dad says he hopes it will at least prevent a hospitalisation.

CKMKB

Prayers for their early recovery Tarun.

 

[Cheran]

Namskar.
I was debating with this person who was quoting these youtube videos and only blaming PM for this second wave of chinese virus. I was pointing out why would not you criticize inept state machinary and all the great CMs and he start going hyperbole and said "pm cares fund" why can not goverment disclose it,why does not it comes under RTI.
How to argue this. Really huge amount of theses youtube wannabe and reporters are setting these narrative.

Please note that debating with people on the internet is not going to change anyone's view. It will be an endless to & fro flow of truths, lies, half-truths & opinions being marketed as truth.

Read through the below:-

Sonia Gandhi wants Rs 6500 cr of PM CARES transferred to PMNRF

Sonia Gandhi, the current President of the Congress party has asked the Prime Minister to transfer all the funds received under PM CARES, that was set up to fight the Coronavirus pandemic, to the Prime Ministers National Relief Fund (PMNRF) | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

Now, Chonia does not like PM Cares.

Why you ask? Because in the older PM national relief fund the Congress president is a member.

Other articles that could help:-

PMNRF vs PM CARES: PMNRF always had Congress President on its managing committee while PM CARES is far more democratic

After PM Modi launched PM CARES Fund, a lot has been discussed about similarities and differences between PM CARES Fund and PMNRF | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

SC rejects Mahua Moitra's plea to put CM Relief Funds at par with PM Cares Fund

Supreme Court rejects Mahua Moitra's plea to put CM Relief Funds at par with PM Cares Fund | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

PM-CARES fund to be apolitical, to have 13 eminent experts working pro-bono

The PM-CARES will be headed by the prime minister, who will be the chairperson of the Trust. He will have the power to nominate three people to the board of trustees who shall be eminent persons in the field of research, health, science, social work, law, public administration and philanthropy...

www.opindia.com

PM Modi donated Rs 2.25 lakh as initial corpus for PM-CARES Fund

Prime Minister Modi donated Rs 2.25 lakh from his personal savings as initial corpus to the PM-CARES fund. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

Sonia's demand to transfer all PM-CARES money to PMNRF rejected by Modi government

The PM-CARES Fund will also receive exemptions from the operation of all provisions of the FCRA Act and can now accept donations from individuals and organisations based in foreign countries through foreign credit/debit cards and through wire transfer/SWIFT. Receipts can be downloaded directly...

www.opindia.com

Rajiv Gandhi Foundation received 'donation' from PMNRF thrice: Details

As disclosed in the Annual Reports, the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation received donations from the Prime Minister's National Relief Fund (PMNRF) not once but multiple times. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

2,923 ventilators manufactured, 1340 delivered out of PM CARES fund

Besides Rs 2000 crore allotted from PM Cares Fund for sourcing ventilators, the central government has assigned Rs 1,000 crore to the states for the welfare of migrant labourers | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

Fact-check: Is Govt of India buying Rs 2.5 lakh ventilator for Rs 4 lakh using PM CARES Fund

BEL CMD refutes allegations of 'ventilator scam' propagated on social media by Congress ecosystem. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

PM CARES fund to double the ventilators capacity in India

The PM CARES Fund was set up by PM Modi when it became evident that the Coronavirus pandemic will have severe consequences. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

Funds for NGOs drying up as organisations prefer donating to PM CARES Fund, says report

The 100% tax exemption provided for donations to the PM CARES Fund is attracting many organisations, small and big, to divert their contribution away from NGOs, the report says. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

Also, please watch this:-

Sambit Patra doing a surgical strike

 

[tarunraju]

Thanks for the wishes! Dua do na do, cheeni bhosadiwalon ko ek gaali zaroor dena.

 

[shade]

Maskup ,wash ur hands and stay indoors as much as possible. It's not difficult to stay safe and protected. I hate to say this, still I don't see general awareness. Every morning I go for a walk and see people with no masks sticking together infront of vegetable vendors ,milk vendors etc... is this because of our mentality or the habit induced by overpopulation. Every thing is a competition buying vegetables , shopping every little thing preventing proper social distancing. Just require some patience.

One of my friends got married in the first week of March. Didn't follow any laid out precautions, by 20th March he lost both of his inlaws,uncle, aunt both grand parents .

There is a tea shop here.
Even now during lockdown you have people putting their masks down, huddling in groups and doing chai pe charche using tea from this shop, just some distance away from the shop itself.

 

[shade]

Please note that debating with people on the internet is not going to change anyone's view. It will be an endless to & fro flow of truths, lies, half-truths & opinions being marketed as truth.

It will change the lurking audience's view who will not directly participate, provided you make an example out of the opposing librandu through spicy rhetorical jhumlas.
Remembers, rhetoric and jhumlas matter, empty and dry "fax" don't when the opposition is PhD in spinning things.

Photo of PM Narendra Modi for goodluck

 

[Cheran]

There is a tea shop here.
Even now during lockdown you have people putting their masks down, huddling in groups and doing chai pe charche using tea from this shop, just some distance away from the shop itself.

Ya but what are buddas like Modi/Shah/Yeddy doing?

Why are they not roaming around in several backpacks carrying sanitizers/masks & forcibly putting masks on those who do not have it? haha now goto your whatsapp.

 

[shade]

Ya but what are buddas like Modi/Shah/Yeddy doing?

Why are they not roaming around in several backpacks carrying sanitizers/masks & forcibly putting masks on those who do not have it? haha now goto your whatsapp.

Technically it should be the Vasooli gang's work, but then again there is no arguing with the MUDI BAD crowd.

 

[Cheran]

Gujarat: Police attacked for urging mosque to implement COVID protocol for namaz

To control the violent mob, police had to resort to using tear gas. However, even then the mob was out of control. Eventually they had to call in additional forces. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

A mob on Tuesday attacked policemen and pelted stones after the cops asked them to not gather in huge crowd for offering namaz. The incident took place in Kapadvanj, Gujarat. As reported by Divya Bhaskar, police had gone to one Ali Masjid near Lions’ Club in Kapadvanj to persuade them to implement social distancing norms. However, soon matters escalated and took a violent turn.

As per the report, the mob gathered in large number and attacked Kundvav police chowki and Town police station. Two bikes and one car were burnt down by the mob. The Kundvav police station was also destroyed by the mob. The mob then proceeded to attack Town police station and started pelting stones.

To control the violent mob, police had to resort to using tear gas. However, even then the mob was out of control. Eventually they had to call in additional forces. In all this, one police personnel is injured. However, the police personnel have declined to comment to media, the report says.

Covid resistant people attack pulis.