Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

[here2where]

Let me know how it is going for Trump & Boris?
Both these guys gets castrated day in & day out and many times unfairly.

Why would any sane man put himself through that shit if it is not required?

how stupid of me to have assumed that facing the press fire is part of the job description of being the people's representative/PM. such a silly fellow iam.

 

[prasadr14]

how stupid of me to have assumed that facing the press fire is part of the job description of being the people's representative/PM. such a silly fellow iam.

Let me know which part of Indian PM's job description requires him to face the "press"...
Do you know which article in the constitution demands that he do so?

In an ideal world, press forms a necessary pillar in democracy.
Press now a days is so corrupt that they make prostitutes look like virgins.

And you want to PM to waste his time to engage these sold out pimps?

WHY?

 

[nrj]

Who better to speak on such issues other than the PM himself. But our PM doesn't speak to media.


Trump does. BorisJ does. Modi does not.
Let nobody give me the bull that his designated chotus do the job. Its all optics man.

This is exactly what Rajiv Bajaj also tried to say. Nobody is coming forward and talking about decisions taken are based on any factual data or not. Lockdown was pushed with 4hrs notice. Its a tragedy unfolding which could have been avoided if planned well. Premise was this lockdown will complete the battle with corona (with nonsense references to ramayana/mahabharta), then someone talks about how curve has flattened, and then extensions after extensions. Goalposts changed. Based on what ? And what is the plan, has anyone talked or owned the part where we will be in a month or if health facilities are sufficient? This is what happens when you get PR machinery to do the job of governance.

 

[Shredder]

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[here2where]

Let me know which part of Indian PM's job description requires him to face the "press"...
Do you know which article in the constitution demands that he do so?

In an ideal world, press forms a necessary pillar in democracy.
Press now a days is so corrupt that they make prostitutes look like virgins.

And you want to PM to waste his time to engage these sold out pimps?

WHY?

i agree there is a press team specifically formed to handle routine press conferences and put forward gormint policies/positions on a routine day to day basis. White house also has a effective one, no president ever does press confs in white house. but trump put himself in the fire line for last coupla months. He ain't hiding inside his office and saying iam very busy. He may be a lime light seeker. But he has the balls to look presstitudes in the eye and says 'you are fuck news'. He may be a slime ball, but he's earned my admiration.

So dont thrown the rule book at me asking me to quote constipation etc.

In a war, you want the updates to come from the leader, not a half-baked lackey.
Going by the death figures, these are the days of unimaginable wars.

 

[prasadr14]

This is exactly what Rajiv Bajaj also tried to say. Nobody is coming forward and talking about decisions taken are based on any factual data or not. Lockdown was pushed with 4hrs notice. Its a tragedy unfolding which could have been avoided if planned well. Premise was this lockdown will complete the battle with corona (with nonsense references to ramayana/mahabharta), then someone talks about how curve has flattened, and then extensions after extensions. Goalposts changed. Based on what ? And what is the plan, has anyone talked or owned the part where we will be in a month or if health facilities are sufficient? This is what happens when you get PR machinery to do the job of governance.

plan?

See around the world mate, there is no real plan.
Each and every country is reaction and adjusting.

From Australia & we are damn lucky that we are really isolated from rest of the world.
Still, the govt here has a "plan"....until the next moron decides to spoil it.

The nature of what we are facing is nothing the world has seen, there is really no "plan".
All are reacting and hoping for a miracle and less body bags.

 

[prasadr14]

i agree there is a press team specifically formed to handle routine press conferences and put forward gormint policies/positions on a routine day to day basis. White house also has a effective one, no president ever does press confs in white house. but trump put himself in the fire line for last coupla months. He ain't hiding inside his office and saying iam very busy. He may be a lime light seeker. But he has the balls to look presstitudes in the eye and says 'you are fuck news'. He may be a slime ball, but he's earned my admiration.

So dont thrown the rule book at me asking me to quote constipation etc.

In a war, you want the updates to come from the leader, not a half-baked lackey.
Going by the death figures, these are the days of unimaginable wars.

Agreed but Like i said, we don't really have a press anymore.
As example, look at how it going for Trump & Boris. Just see the hatred from the press for these 2 guys.

In this age, press is really not needed, especially not the press we have now a days.
before paper & tv was the medium for govt to reach out to people, there was no choice.
It is not so anymore....

But, I agree with the original premise of the argument that BJP govt has failed to "communicate"
They are lethargic in this department. God knows what the hell they are doing in this space.
With the amount of people they have, including ones that would just work for them for free, this is a disaster they could have avoided for past 6 years.

 

[ezsasa]

i agree there is a press team specifically formed to handle routine press conferences and put forward gormint policies/positions on a routine day to day basis. White house also has a effective one, no president ever does press confs in white house. but trump put himself in the fire line for last coupla months. He ain't hiding inside his office and saying iam very busy. He may be a lime light seeker. But he has the balls to look presstitudes in the eye and says 'you are fuck news'. He may be a slime ball, but he's earned my admiration.

So dont thrown the rule book at me asking me to quote constipation etc.

In a war, you want the updates to come from the leader, not a half-baked lackey.
Going by the death figures, these are the days of unimaginable wars.

1) once Indian democracy matures for atleast 200 years, then we can talk about meet the press.
2) it’s a waste of modi’s time. Governing one sixth of humanity is a tough job as it is.
3) I have been observing for 4 years now, our news media do not report more than 70% of the news releases by govt on a daily basis. Me personally only depend on PIB website to find what govt is communicating.

 

[here2where]

And while we are on this topic... zapppp...yahoo in decides to carry a poll ....

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Interesting comments section......

 

[Holy Triad]

1) once Indian democracy matures for atleast 200 years, then we can talk about meet the press.
2) it’s a waste of modi’s time. Governing one sixth of humanity is a tough job as it is.
3) I have been observing for 4 years now, our news media do not report more than 70% of the news releases by govt on a daily basis. Me personally only depend on PIB website to find what govt is communicating.

Sir,I'm not asking for day to day running commentary, but he needs to be giving broader update on the situation(like inventory list,what we have to do and what do we need to do etc.)

This is humanitarian crisis of the highest order,the masses need to have a iota of an idea of where we headed.

At least,if there was an standard policy directive we couldn't have asking for his press meet.

Lets take that rapid test fiasco as an example,

Government and media houses literally shouted on the ears of state governments to buy those kits,Without having an understanding on the efficacy of such technique itself.

Anyone with decent knowledge would say standard lab tests are the way to go. But we bought them anyway.

Once the kit arrived ,government changed its tune and said this,

Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

😁😁😂😂

defenceforumindia.com

We basically wasted our resources and time on buying junk tech,if there was an policy in place or pm has to give press meet on this subject,such u turn wouldn't have happened.

Another issue is,the data itself very inaccurate at times,where the ground realities have been blatantly ignored.

For example,southern states have much better grass root governance system compared with poorer states.
So technically,there's no data for them(poorer states) to begin with, as they don't have any local administrative systems.

They think zero data means no patients,so "good governance"
(WB for example)

Data collection itself is not a problem,but decision making basing on those data is.

the main problem is,the red,Orange,yellow zones have been designated on those metrics.

if they stopped then and there ,we don't have to worry about it.

But,adhoc g.o. was passed to lift the lockdown on such areas.

Lifting the lockdown is a disaster as we seen,especially opening the booze houses.

all issues could have been rectified, if there was an coordinated effort between the stake holders.

I'm not even going to get into the migrant crisis.



In simple words,there was no clarity in the government's decision making if there was an press meet we could have gotten the explanation we deserved.

 

[Gautam Sarkar]

Thread :

Total confirmed cases in India are 81,997. The growth rate of ACTIVE cases = 3.8% - so doubling in 18 days.

 

[Apollyon]

Yogi Ji's able leadership is what gives me hope in these tough times of Narendra, Thackeray and Rupani

 

[Gautam Sarkar]

India is doing 100000 tests per day through 509 govt & private labs says ICMR


India’s role as a "pharmacy of the world” has come into focus during this crisis. We have a world-class pharmaceutical industry that is the producer of choice for critical medications with brand recognition in all geographies and markets: FS


A $1 billion support was announced last month towards immediate support to India’s health sector.This new support will be funded in two phases – an immediate allocation of $750 million for FY year 2020 a $250 mn second tranche that will be made available for fiscal year 2021.


: FS @harshvshringla on Defence and Foreign Policy partnership helping out in the national effort against the crisis.

 

[Holy Triad]

From day 1 govt has been saying anti body tests are not for diagnosis, only for surveillance.

This argument itself flawed to its core, I've so many questions on this single statement,

1.)I would like to know,Who said it? on whose advice?​

Definitely not by PM,probably made by a a mid level guy.​

(I'm guessing an additional secretary level bureaucrat)​

On this mid level guys advisory,all the elected CMs of the states are "advised" to buy this equipment.​

2.)what is the purpose of this supposed "surveillance"if 90% of the infected individuals to go scot free.(its accuracy rate less than 9%)
Then what is the purpose of the surveillance.



The way I see it,Basically no one is accountable for this,because everyone will point fingers at everyone so rest of us just have to accept it as it is.

If pm would've said that,we could've held him accountable for that.

Just think about it,we made a major purchase order(rapid test kits) on the account of random advisory.
That's why I ask for the press meet to avoid future 'confusions'

 

[Suryavanshi]

@here2where your concerns are alright mate but I don't think Narendra Modi is the one who is answerable in matters regarding to Corona.
There are specific department like health ministery headed by HVT to cater to medias concern.
They conduct press conference every week, questions should be brought to them instead.

 

[ezsasa]

This argument itself flawed to its core, I've so many questions on this single statement,

1.)I would like to know,Who said it? on whose advice?​

Definitely not by PM,probably made by a a mid level guy.​

(I'm guessing an additional secretary level bureaucrat)​

On this mid level guys advisory,all the elected CMs of the states are "advised" to buy this equipment.​

2.)what is the purpose of this supposed "surveillance"if 90% of the infected individuals to go scot free.(its accuracy rate less than 9%)
Then what is the purpose of the surveillance.



The way I see it,Basically no one is accountable for this,because everyone will point fingers at everyone so rest of us just have to accept it as it is.

If pm would've said that,we could've held him accountable for that.

Just think about it,we made a major purchase order(rapid test kits) on the account of random advisory.
That's why I ask for the press meet to avoid future 'confusions'

I get it that, today everyone is taking Shivam Vij’s oped seriously.

but I ask, what has PM got to do with this. CM’s were buying because of the media hype over “Test test test”.

Luv Agrawal is JS, I think.

you are welcome to go thru all Daily press conferences since March 16th..

in this case it is media which misrepresented the info.

 

[here2where]

Another issue is,the data itself very inaccurate at times,where the ground realities have been blatantly ignored.

For example,southern states have much better grass root governance system compared with poorer states.
So technically,there's no data for them(poorer states) to begin with, as they don't have any local administrative systems.

They think zero data means no patients,so "good governance"
(WB for example)

You make a very valid point.
Valid data depends on a strong local administration. I wonder how valid are the reported numbers by the backward states considering the pathetic state of the local / zila administration there.

Eg, a goan friend of mine is absolutely sure the number reported 7 is a sham and it has to be much much more. If that is the case in a relatively better off state like Goa, i dread to imagine what the real numbers must be in states i do not want to mention here.

 

[Holy Triad]

get it that, today everyone is taking Shivam Vij’s oped seriously.

Tbh,I didn't read his today's piece or any of his stuff and I'm not even following him on Twitter.

Plus,I've already expressed my displeasure in the rt pcr post.(attached with my earlier post)

but I ask, what has PM got to do with this.

Central government guided the state governments to where to buy,

There is a litigation on that pricing of the kit itself,

ICMR Purchased Rapid Test Kits at 145% of Landed Price, Delhi HC Case Reveals

ICMR Purchased Rapid Test Kits at 145% of Landed Price, Delhi HC Case Reveals

On April 26, a one-member bench led by Justice Najmi Wajiri intervened and slashed the price by 33% for each kit.

m.thewire.in

If the central government wasn't involved in the process nobody would ve asked him for the explanation.

[Let me open be candid about why I'm interested in this particular stuff,one particular group made truck load of money on this.(obviously I don't have proof) if pm gets involved in this,I hope to see some justice will be done]

Luv Agrawal is JS, I think

Exactly what I said in my earlier post,

(I'm guessing an additional secretary level bureaucrat)

These tactics(issuing statements through AS,JS level officials) is the standard MO practice for plausible deniability.

you are welcome to go thru all Daily press conferences since March 16th..

Sir,PM is the face of the government,any press meet/statements issued by others(including cabinet ministers) will not reach the general public. Even if the media houses highlighted such content. Weekly summary press meet won't hurt much of his schedule. These briefings are highly orchestrated by the press offices,so nothing ill will happen.

this case it is media which misrepresented the info.

The media itself lost its relevance due to the rise of whatsapp universities.

In actuality, there was no high profile info was given to the media/public to begin with. All technical data was given through some additional secretary level briefings.


There was no status report to verify effectiveness of the taken measures.

For example,why there was no data given on the rapid test kit results vs rt pcr/eliza tests.

 

[ezsasa]

Tbh,I didn't read his today's piece or any of his stuff and I'm not even following him on Twitter.

Plus,I've already expressed my displeasure in the rt pcr post.(attached with my earlier post)




Central government guided the state governments to where to buy,

There is a litigation on that pricing of the kit itself,

ICMR Purchased Rapid Test Kits at 145% of Landed Price, Delhi HC Case Reveals

ICMR Purchased Rapid Test Kits at 145% of Landed Price, Delhi HC Case Reveals

On April 26, a one-member bench led by Justice Najmi Wajiri intervened and slashed the price by 33% for each kit.

m.thewire.in

If the central government wasn't involved in the process nobody would ve asked him for the explanation.

[Let me open be candid about why I'm interested in this particular stuff,one particular group made truck load of money on this.(obviously I don't have proof) if pm gets involved in this,I hope to see some justice will be done]






Exactly what I said in my earlier post,







These tactics(issuing statements through AS,JS level officials) is the standard MO practice for plausible deniability.






Sir,PM is the face of the government,any press meet/statements issued by others(including cabinet ministers) will not reach the general public. Even if the media houses highlighted such content. Weekly summary press meet won't hurt much of his schedule. These briefings are highly orchestrated by the press offices,so nothing ill will happen.







The media itself lost its relevance due to the rise of whatsapp universities.

In actuality, there was no high profile info was given to the media/public to begin with. All technical data was given through some additional secretary level briefings.


There was no status report to verify effectiveness of the taken measures.

For example,why there was no data given on the rapid test kit results vs rt pcr/eliza tests.

Frankly i am a little confused with your expectations. i don't think us discussing further will yield any outcome.

 

[captscooby81]

The onus lies on the person to prove his numbers , A colleague of mine was ranting that more than 1000 dead in hyderabad alone on April 1st week . I simply asked her give me a proof she said she heard it from her uncle who has friend in police and bla bla . TG has not even crossed 1000 positive cases till this week .

Yes the country is big , Yes few states don't have the infra but that does not mean you don't buy the numbers provided by govt .

Nobody is going to earn anything by hiding numbers . Goa had shown 7 numbers till yesterday today they had added 5 after having 0 cases for last 10 days . Why would they even declare these 5 today , unless they want to looser their green zone tag and turn into red zone just for fun ? by declaring cases their green zone status has gone now and they can't run shops like before .

Eg, a goan friend of mine is absolutely sure the number reported 7 is a sham and it has to be much much more. If that is the case in a relatively better off state like Goa, i dread to imagine what the real numbers must be in states i do not want to mention here.