Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

[ezsasa]

Niazi negative.......

 

[Kumata]

Niazi negative.......

IMO they wasted a test KIT . if infection is just 2 days old than might not be detectable..I could be wrong as well....it stays in nasal cavity for 2-3 days.. so was this blood test or nasal cavity ..

 

[doreamon]

By September, India could have 111 crore Covid-19 cases: CDDEP

://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/by-september-india-could-have-111-crore-covid-19-cases-cddep/article31408132.ece

If this happens most of us going to be infected by end of this year.. keep boosting immunity so that u might be one of those asymptomatic case.. loose weight.. exercise..sleep well.. eat healthy..

 

[nrj]

By September, India could have 111 crore Covid-19 cases: CDDEP

://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/by-september-india-could-have-111-crore-covid-19-cases-cddep/article31408132.ece

If this happens most of us going to be infected by end of this year.. keep boosting immunity so that u might be one of those asymptomatic case.. loose weight.. exercise..sleep well.. eat healthy..

Wasn't the excellent early precaution measures, brilliant lockdown strategy & those thaali/diya sessions supposed to ward off Coronavirus in India ?

This projection is as serious as Centre's projection for infections/deaths in each state. Is this study from the same fella below who predicted 300-500 million infections & 2.5 million dead in India a month ago ? He said unless we totally lockdown in India (which was somehow impossible thing to imagine in March) we will see 300+ million infections.

Now the number goes up to 111 crore? After a month-long lockdown ? What nonsense. Total jackshit salesmen everywhere spreading fancies.

I don't think anybody has handle on this situation to authoritatively comment. Each entity/individual passing their judgement like some divine tale they dreamt last night.

 

[Holy Triad]

Telangana: A lorry carrying sanitisers caught fire at Miyapur bus stop in Hyderabad. "5,000 litres of sanitisers were destroyed. 2 fire tenders reached the spot&fire was doused. No casualties reported", Venkatesh Shamala, Circle Inspector, Miyapur Police station said. (21.04.20)





NOT.....NOWWWW......

 

[Holy Triad]

WATCH A COVID19 positive patient alleges that Delhi's LNJP hospital is not admitting him for immediate treatment. He also says that he and 3 other patients walked to the hospital today while there are 7 more COVID19 patients at his home.



Where is the self proclaimed anarchist?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

By September, India could have 111 crore Covid-19 cases: CDDEP

://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/by-september-india-could-have-111-crore-covid-19-cases-cddep/article31408132.ece

Same guys projected it to be 500 millions earlier?
Falling trajectory of active cases brutally rejects them. The aim of publishing such abnormal projections and advocating "restrictions" without any specific reference, is more likely to be a political lobby than any any genuine research.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Same guys projected it to be 500 millions earlier?
Falling trajectory of active cases brutally rejects them. The aim of publishing such abnormal projections and advocating "restrictions" without any specific reference, is more likely to be a political lobby than any any genuine research.

PS, active cases declined in India for second consecutive day.

 

[doreamon]

looks like good news..

 

[Holy Triad]

Maoists blame US for Covid-19, police say they are frustrated as supply network is hit

Maoists blame US for Covid-19, police say they are frustrated as supply network is hit

In its open letter, CPI(Maoist) also calls PM Modi ‘puppet’ of US President Donald Trump and says lockdown has upended lives of 10 cr migrants and daily wagers.

theprint.in

 

[Blue Water Navy]

Wasn't the excellent early precaution measures, brilliant lockdown strategy & those thaali/diya sessions supposed to ward off Coronavirus in India ?

This projection is as serious as Centre's projection for infections/deaths in each state. Is this study from the same fella below who predicted 300-500 million infections & 2.5 million dead in India a month ago ? He said unless we totally lockdown in India (which was somehow impossible thing to imagine in March) we will see 300+ million infections.

Now the number goes up to 111 crore? After a month-long lockdown ? What nonsense. Total jackshit salesmen everywhere spreading fancies.

I don't think anybody has handle on this situation to authoritatively comment. Each entity/individual passing their judgement like some divine tale they dreamt last night.

You guys won't believe. But our Bengal media is flooded with this type of analysts. And not just one but many in each & every Bengali news channels.

The channels are also taking this to their advantage. Because as long as the people remain in fear & the lockdown continues, one business will be making money even if the entire India goes to sh*t. Yes, the media houses. Within the last month their revenue and viewership have increased exponentially.

 

[rocky0290]

Wasn't the excellent early precaution measures, brilliant lockdown strategy & those thaali/diya sessions supposed to ward off Coronavirus in India ?

This projection is as serious as Centre's projection for infections/deaths in each state. Is this study from the same fella below who predicted 300-500 million infections & 2.5 million dead in India a month ago ? He said unless we totally lockdown in India (which was somehow impossible thing to imagine in March) we will see 300+ million infections.

Now the number goes up to 111 crore? After a month-long lockdown ? What nonsense. Total jackshit salesmen everywhere spreading fancies.

I don't think anybody has handle on this situation to authoritatively comment. Each entity/individual passing their judgement like some divine tale they dreamt last night.

Lockdown is only buying us the time. The only strategy that will work against corona is if when a vaccine comes into a play. Until then social distancing is the only way. I don't know about these numbers but once the whole country opens up then we are looking at tens of if not hundreds of crores of infection. Mind you only few percentage of these infected will have mild to worse symptoms and will need hospitalization but that numbers too can go to lakhs.

 

[rocky0290]

You guys won't believe. But our Bengal media is flooded with this type of analysts. And not just one but many in each & every Bengali news channels.

The channels are also taking this to their advantage. Because as long as the people remain in fear & the lockdown continues, one business will be making money even if the entire India goes to sh*t. Yes, the media houses. Within the last month their revenue and viewership have increased exponentially.

And the next you will say that this virus is developed in a lab by these media houses so that to increase their viewership! Yes these media houses have benefitted a lot with the increased viewership as a result of the lockdown and you might be considering this 24*7 coverage of Corona as fear mongering. But this virus with that much high virulence and apparently no visible vaccine is to be feared of. It's the fear that's keeping all of us inside of our homes. It's also true that most of us will not even get affected after getting infected but it's always about the old aged and the young ones in our families so better not try to make some conspiracy theories.

 

[spikey360]

I have got a few questions regarding the COVID-19 situation. These came up naturally, I am no conspiracy theory junkie.
1-> Where are the mass graves? Only wars have comparable casualty counts. So, where are the bodies/coffins? Save for the pictures of mass graves in Iran and New York, you will not be able to find any picture of mass graves, yet the death count increases by the hour.
2-> Where the pictures of people in ICU from all over the world? So far, only a few shots from ICUs of Italy have trickled in. We have seen plenty of garbage in terms of what nurses are doing but not many pictures of those they are doing them for. Most countries have barred private media from reporting independently on COVID-19. All statistics are published by the state or state aided organizations. Why the secrecy?
3-> Why should the law abiding suffer for the law breakers? In terms of the COVID-19 scenario in India, most people have followed the rules set up by the Central and the State Governments. We have stayed in our homes, we have shut our businesses. We have not ventured out for our morning or evening strolls. We have even picked up groceries for two weeks so that we do not risk getting infected or aid in the spread itself. A handful have thronged the markets, some have even gone to Markaz and got themselves infected. Why should the whole society suffer for them, and on their behalf? Wall them off. Treat them if necessary, let them rot if that be necessary. Why stop the law abiding citizenry from being able to exercise their rights, again?
4-> Is it really so dangerous? Rough statistics are clear and in agreement about a few basic facts.
a> 50 in 100 show no symptoms, never will.
b> 45 of the remaining will develop flu like symptoms, cough and cold - recover at home
c> 5 of the remaining will require hospitalization.
i>> 3 of them will have SARI (Severe Acute Respiratory Infection)
ii>> 2 of them will suffer due to pre-existing conditions - Cancer/Diabetes/Kidney ailments/Heart ailments
The above statistics can be said to be true for even normal influenza. So what is the danger all about?
5-> Tests for Everyone? OK. It is very logical to test everyone who is coming off of planes. Is it really logical and practical to test a billion people? Even the advanced countries of the world have not done this neither will they be able to. This is a good but particularly impractical for a population of a billion people. Add to that - tests on average cost ₹4,000 (Equipment+Labour), a Ventilator costs ₹5,00,000. Roughly, 125 test kits cost as much as a ventilator. So instead of testing 125 people of whom 6 will require hospitalisation and ventilator, why not buy an additional ventilator for those 6? In any case, tests cannot stop a person from getting SARI.
6-> Can society really stave off Nature's fury with resource re-distribution? COVID-19 is a disease affecting human beings, as far as we understand it, it is a natural, organic virus. Nature has provided each organism the ability and the wherewithal to fight micro-organisms. It is called the immune system. Is it really possible that we as human beings will able to supersede the immune system by redistributing our resources.
Lockdown is nothing but buying time for the health system to brace for the inevitable impact which will come in its sweet time. Lockdown is not the ultimate solution, neither is testing. Vaccine may be a solution, but it uncertain. Given the circumstances, the best chance for mankind lies in growing immunity. Can we really postpone that indefinitely? I have my doubts. It is most likely impossible. Everyone in this world will get infected one time or the other. It is just a matter of time. Unfortunately, this is nature at its most basic form - the strong (immunologically fit) shall live and the weak will die. No amount of re-distribution of wealth can substitute for health (which is the actual wealth, and not gold and paper cash).
7-> Cui Bono? Who benefits from all of this, is something we must all ask. Till date it seems - no one. However, the moment one understands that a certain group or cabal has a lot to benefit from all of the above, is the very moment we must start questioning and analysing ourselves and our situation, apropos COVID-19.

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients
Once thought a relatively straightforward respiratory virus, covid-19 is proving to be much more frightening

(The Washington Post)
By Ariana Eunjung Cha
April 22, 2020 at 4:39 PM EDT

Craig Coopersmith was up early that morning as usual and typed his daily inquiry into his phone. “Good morning, Team Covid,” he wrote, asking for updates from the ICU team leaders working across 10 hospitals in the Emory University health system in Atlanta.

One doctor replied that one of his patients had a strange blood problem. Despite being put on anticoagulants, the patient was still developing clots. A second said she’d seen something similar. And a third. Soon, every person on the text chat had reported the same thing.

“That’s when we knew we had a huge problem,” said Coopersmith, a critical-care surgeon. As he checked with his counterparts at other medical centers, he became increasingly alarmed: “It was in as many as 20, 30 or 40 percent of their patients.”

One month ago when the country went into lockdown to prepare for the first wave of coronavirus cases, many doctors felt confident they knew what they were dealing with. Based on early reports, covid-19 appeared to be a standard variety respiratory virus, albeit a contagious and lethal one with no vaccine and no treatment. They’ve since seen how covid-19 attacks not only the lungs, but also the kidneys, heart, intestines, liver and brain.

(The Washington Post)

Increasingly, doctors also are reporting bizarre, unsettling cases that don’t seem to follow any of the textbooks they’ve trained on. They describe patients with startlingly low oxygen levels — so low that they would normally be unconscious or near death — talking and swiping on their phones.

Asymptomatic pregnant women suddenly in cardiac arrest. Patients who by all conventional measures seem to have mild disease deteriorating within minutes and dying at home.

With no clear patterns in terms of age or chronic conditions, some scientists hypothesize that at least some of these abnormalities may be explained by severe changes in patients’ blood.

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The concern is so acute some doctor groups have raised the controversial possibility of giving preventive blood thinners to everyone with covid-19 — even those well enough to endure their illness at home.

Blood clots, in which the red liquid turns gel-like, appear to be the opposite of what occurs in Ebola, Dengue, Lassa and other hemorrhagic fevers that lead to uncontrolled bleeding. But they actually are part of the same phenomenon — and can have similarly devastating consequences.

Autopsies have shown some people’s lungs fill with hundreds of microclots. Errant blood clots of a larger size can break off and travel to the brain or heart, causing a stroke or heart attack. On Saturday, Broadway actor Nick Cordero, 41, had his right leg amputated after being infected with the novel coronavirus and suffering from clots that blocked blood from getting to his toes.

Lewis Kaplan, a University of Pennsylvania physician and head of the Society of Critical Care Medicine, said every year doctors treat people with clotting complications, from those with cancer to victims of severe trauma, “and they don’t clot like this.”

“The problem we are having is that while we understand that there is a clot, we don’t yet understand why there is a clot,” Kaplan said. “We don’t know. And therefore, we are scared.”

A mother and her child pass a mural in Amsterdam by artist FAKE, titled “Super Nurse,” paying tribute to health-care professionals on April 19. (Peter Dejong/AP)

‘It crept up on us’
The first sign something was going haywire was in legs, which were turning blue and swelling. Even patients on blood thinners in the ICU were developing clots — which is not unusual in one or two patients in one unit but is for so many at the same time. Next came the clogging of the dialysis machines, which filter impurities in blood when kidneys are failing and jammed several times a day.


“There was a universal understanding that this was different,” Coopersmith said.
Then came the autopsies. When they opened up some deceased patients’ lungs, they expected to find evidence of pneumonia and damage to the tiny air sacs that exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide between the lungs and the bloodstream. Instead, they found tiny clots all over.
Zoom meetings were convened in some of the largest medical centers nationwide. Tufts. Yale-New Haven. The University of Pennsylvania. Brigham and Women’s. Columbia-Presbyterian. Theories were shared. Treatments debated.
Although there was no consensus on the biology of why this was happening and what could be done about it, many came to believe the clots might be responsible for a significant share of U.S. deaths from covid-19 — possibly explaining why so many people are dying at home.

(The Washington Post)

In hindsight, there were hints blood problems had been an issue in China and Italy as well, but it was more of a footnote in studies and on information-sharing calls that had focused on the disease’s destruction of the lungs.

“It crept up on us. We weren’t hearing a tremendous amount about this internationally,” said Greg Piazza, a cardiovascular specialist at Brigham and Women’s who has begun a study of bleeding complications of covid-19.

Helen W. Boucher, an infectious-disease specialist at Tufts Medical Center, said there’s no reason to think anything is different about the virus in the United States. More likely, she said, the problem was more obvious to American doctors because of the unique demographics of U.S. patients, including large percentages with heart disease and obesity that make them more vulnerable to the ravages of blood clots. She also noted small but important differences in the monitoring and treatment of patients in ICUs in this country that would make clots easier to detect.

“Part of this is by virtue of the fact that we have such incredible intensive care facilities,” she said.

Nicola Contaldi delivers a lunchbox at Palazzo Chigi in Rome on April 20 as home deliveries keep restaurants in business during the lockdown. (Guglielmo Mangiapane/Reuters)

A leading cause of death
The body’s cardiovascular system often is described as a network of one-way streets that connect the heart to other organs. Blood is the transport system, responsible for moving nutrients to the cells and waste away from them. A common cold or a cut on the finger can lead to changes that help repair the damage, but when the body undergoes a more significant trauma, the blood can overreact, leading to an imbalance that can cause excessive clots or bleeding — and sometimes both.


Scientists call this “hemostatic derangement.” In math, a derangement is a permutation in which no element is in its original position.
Harlan Krumholz, a cardiac specialist at the Yale-New Haven Hospital Center, said no one knows whether blood complications are a result of a direct assault on blood vessels, or a hyperactive inflammatory response to the virus by the patient’s immune system.

“One of the theories is that once the body is so engaged in a fight against an invader, the body starts consuming the clotting factors, which can result in either blood clots or bleeding. In Ebola, the balance was more toward bleeding. In covid-19, it’s more blood clots,” he said.

A study published in JAMA on Wednesday found that a large number of covid-19 patients admitted to New York State’s largest health system came in with blood test readings that indicated clotting problems.

And a Dutch study published April 10 in the journal Thrombosis Research provided more evidence the issue is widespread, finding 38 percent of 184 covid-19 patients in an intensive care unit had blood that clotted abnormally. The researchers called it “a conservative estimation” because many of the patients were still hospitalized and at risk of further complications.

Early data from China on a sample of 183 patients showed more than 70 percent of patients who died of covid-19 had small clots develop throughout their bloodstream.Although acute respiratory distress syndrome still appears to be the leading cause of death in covid-19 patients, blood complications are not far behind, said Behnood Bikdeli, a fourth-year fellow at Columbia University Irving Medical Center, who helped anchor a paper about the blood clots in the Journal of The American College of Cardiology.

“My guess is it’s one of the top three causes of demise and deterioration in covid-19 patients,” he said.

That recognition is prompting many hospitals to change the way they think about the disease and manage it. When the novel coronavirus first hit, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and others put people with asthma at the top of their lists of those who might be the most vulnerable. But European researchers writing in the journal Lancet noted it was “striking” how underrepresented asthma patients had been. Earlier this month, when New York state released data about the top chronic health problems of those who died of covid-19, asthma was not among them. Instead, they were almost all cardiovascular conditions.

Some medical centers have begun giving all hospitalized covid-19 patients small doses of blood thinners as preventive measures, and many are adjusting doses upward for the most seriously ill. The challenge is the more you give, the greater the danger of upsetting the balance in the other direction and having the patient bleed to death.
Another big mystery the doctors hope the blood issue will shed light on is why some maternity patients are collapsing during or after giving birth.

A paper published in the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology MFM in late March detailed how two women with no prior symptoms of covid-19 ended up in intensive care. The first was a 38-year-old patient of New York-Presbyterian/Columbia University Irving Medical Center in Manhattan who spiked a fever of 101.3 while undergoing a C-section delivery and began bleeding profusely. The second woman, 33, also underwent a C-section but the next day developed a cough that progressed to respiratory distress. Her heart beat irregularly and her blood pressure jumped to as high as 200/90.

Several physician-researchers said the relationship between covid-19, clotting and pregnant women is “an area of interest.” Women in childbirth can experience clotting and bleeding complications because of the involvement of the blood-rich placenta, but it’s possible covid-19 may be triggering additional cases by making some women’s bodies “lose balance.”

“There’s lots of speculation,” Krumholz said. “That’s one of the frustrating things about this virus. We’re in a lot of darkness still.”

 

[Blue Water Navy]

And the next you will say that this virus is developed in a lab by these media houses so that to increase their viewership! Yes these media houses have benefitted a lot with the increased viewership as a result of the lockdown and you might be considering this 24*7 coverage of Corona as fear mongering. But this virus with that much high virulence and apparently no visible vaccine is to be feared of. It's the fear that's keeping all of us inside of our homes. It's also true that most of us will not even get affected after getting infected but it's always about the old aged and the young ones in our families so better not try to make some conspiracy theories.

Why would I say something so absurd? Stop trying to manipulate my words.

And fear or no fear. Public of India isn't stupid. If you ask something telling them the truth then they will respond. Remember the "Janata Curfew". Some might say that one day and 40 days aren't the same. Yeah, that's true. But then also aren't you guys seeing despite all of the hardships. 90%+ Indians (which includes illiterates & people from rural areas, villages etc) are staying at home and following the safety norms!!! And this isn't fear. This is basic common sense.

 

[Karthi]

 

[Kumata]

Looks like ccp found their guinea pig to test their "cure"




Wait, it says Pak shud allow clinical trial of that chinese vaccine on Pak population so that it can be further launched depending on success of trials.

Chinese are looking for guinea pigs and these bhikahri's will lap it up with smile on their face.. brain have no direct connect with these morons.. Naan and timattat is all they want at the cost of being a colony of chineses

 

[Blue Water Navy]

I have got a few questions regarding the COVID-19 situation. These came up naturally, I am no conspiracy theory junkie.
1-> Where are the mass graves? Only wars have comparable casualty counts. So, where are the bodies/coffins? Save for the pictures of mass graves in Iran and New York, you will not be able to find any picture of mass graves, yet the death count increases by the hour.
2-> Where the pictures of people in ICU from all over the world? So far, only a few shots from ICUs of Italy have trickled in. We have seen plenty of garbage in terms of what nurses are doing but not many pictures of those they are doing them for. Most countries have barred private media from reporting independently on COVID-19. All statistics are published by the state or state aided organizations. Why the secrecy?
3-> Why should the law abiding suffer for the law breakers? In terms of the COVID-19 scenario in India, most people have followed the rules set up by the Central and the State Governments. We have stayed in our homes, we have shut our businesses. We have not ventured out for our morning or evening strolls. We have even picked up groceries for two weeks so that we do not risk getting infected or aid in the spread itself. A handful have thronged the markets, some have even gone to Markaz and got themselves infected. Why should the whole society suffer for them, and on their behalf? Wall them off. Treat them if necessary, let them rot if that be necessary. Why stop the law abiding citizenry from being able to exercise their rights, again?
4-> Is it really so dangerous? Rough statistics are clear and in agreement about a few basic facts.
a> 50 in 100 show no symptoms, never will.
b> 45 of the remaining will develop flu like symptoms, cough and cold - recover at home
c> 5 of the remaining will require hospitalization.
i>> 3 of them will have SARI (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome)
ii>> 2 of them will suffer due to pre-existing conditions - Cancer/Diabetes/Kidney ailments/Heart ailments
The above statistics can be said to be true for even normal influenza. So what is the danger all about?
5-> Tests for Everyone? OK. It is very logical to test everyone who is coming off of planes. Is it really logical and practical to test a billion people? Even the advanced countries of the world have not done this neither will they be able to. This is a good but particularly impractical for a population of a billion people. Add to that - tests on average cost ₹4,000 (Equipment+Labour), a Ventilator costs ₹5,00,000. Roughly, 125 test kits cost as much as a ventilator. So instead of testing 125 people of whom 6 will require hospitalisation and ventilator, why not buy an additional ventilator for those 6? In any case, tests cannot stop a person from getting SARI.
6-> Can society really stave off Nature's fury with resource re-distribution? COVID-19 is a disease affecting human beings, as far as we understand it, it is a natural, organic virus. Nature has provided each organism the ability and the wherewithal to fight micro-organisms. It is called the immune system. Is it really possible that we as human beings will able to supersede the immune system by redistributing our resources.
Lockdown is nothing but buying time for the health system to brace for the inevitable impact which will come in its sweet time. Lockdown is not the ultimate solution, neither is testing. Vaccine may be a solution, but it uncertain. Given the circumstances, the best chance for mankind lies in growing immunity. Can we really postpone that indefinitely? I have my doubts. It is most likely impossible. Everyone in this world will get infected one time or the other. It is just a matter of time. Unfortunately, this is nature at its most basic form - the strong (immunologically fit) shall live and the weak will die. No amount of re-distribution of wealth can substitute for health (which is the actual wealth, and not gold and paper cash).
7-> Cui Bono? Who benefits from all of this, is something we must all ask. Till date it seems - no one. However, the moment one understands that a certain group or cabal has a lot to benefit from all of the above, is the very moment we must start questioning and analysing ourselves and our situation, apropos COVID-19.

Oh man!! You are damn straight & right. Although I don't completely agree at your point one. There are mass graves in NY. And also the media is barred but then also I don't completely doubt the numbers.

But the other facts that we wrote. I couldn't agree more. State and Central Govt along with media are saying that this lockdown is the cure. But everybody knows it isn't.

And also the test-test-test theory isn't practical in a country like India. Even if we decide to go on with this theory but then also to what point & extent these chains can traced, tracked and then isolated? Not to mention it will require a whole lot of money. Which is another element totally. Because many people requires more than one or may be even 3-4 tests done to get the results right which again has to be repeated after a week or so.

 

[spikey360]

And also the test-test-test theory isn't practical in a country like India. Even if we decide to go on with this theory but then also to what point & extent these chains can traced, tracked and then isolated? Not to mention it will require a whole lot of money. Which is another element totally. Because many people requires more than one or may be even 3-4 tests done to get the results right which again has to be repeated after a week or so.

Spot on. Which basically means 500 tests on average for 125 people. Which would basically mean spending 2L on 125 people on something which is not a cure. That adds even more water to my claim that adding ventilators to the health system is the way to go. 4 ventilators for 6 people who will need it.
Ventilators once integrated into the health system will serve for many years to come, if maintained properly. A test kit is use once and discard forever. Doesn't even have much fiscal sense.