Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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Kumata

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No need to worry about them. Modi did it and got badly slapped. I hope he has learnt his lessons and now agrees with Congress-I which said off the record that let them live in whichever garbage pit they want to live.
To be honest, I dont care if they live in grabage or hell. Problem starts when the garbage start stinking and start affectting the air in my house .. with the every increasing population of Garbage, we are bound to be in minority ... and thats the problem.. Garbage once out of control will continue to grow more and make life hell for those nearby..

So option is to either recycle the garbage or treat it this way that it doesnt affect others.. U cannot get rid of it in our scenario...
 

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1414 so far and delhi is still to report the numbers.. Is it safe to say we are in community spread now.... majority of states are consistently reporting numbers in threee digits now
 

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The GoI has sought to keep out Chinese companies by a minor tweak in para 3 of the FDI policy. The new addition reads: “An entity of a country, which shares land border with India or where the beneficial owner of an investment into India is situated in or is a citizen of any such country, can invest only under the government route.” This means all countries that share borders with India must take government’s approval for investing.

The import is clear. Barring China, no other neighbouring country has the ability to make large investments.
 

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Today we tested less than yesterday and positive cases are also less compared to yesterday

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I think that ICMR putting out these daily updates is good, makes it difficult for states to hide confirmed figures, the states though are putting out some figures only on the next day since that explains the discrepancy in ICMR figures for the day versus the compiled figures of the states (ICMR figure was huge yesterday, lesser today when compared to what states put out)

West Bengal and to some extent, Maharashtra may be politically inclined to fudge figures even if the Maharashtra figure is already huge.
 

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Today we tested less than yesterday and positive cases are also less compared to yesterday

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Another problem with the all India figures for testing being given out is that it may be hiding more than it reveals. ICMR said recently that India has to conduct 25 tests for 1 +ve. While that may be true nationally when including all states, it doesn't however inform us about how that number looks in Maharashtra or Gujarat or Delhi. Taking solace in all India figures might lead us into big trouble.
 

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Coronavirus cases in India: The coronavirus cases reached 17,137 and the death toll jumped to 550 in India on Sunday. According to the Health Ministry, 2,301 cases have recovered from the deadly illness.


Meanwhile, the Delhi government during the day announced that there will be no relaxation in the ongoing lockdown. A decision will be taken on easing the restriction after a review on April 27. The Maharashtra government, however, announced that it will allow limited financial activities to resume from Monday.
 
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I think that ICMR putting out these daily updates is good, makes it difficult for states to hide confirmed figures, the states though are putting out some figures only on the next day since that explains the discrepancy in ICMR figures for the day versus the compiled figures of the states (ICMR figure was huge yesterday, lesser today when compared to what states put out)

West Bengal and to some extent, Maharashtra may be politically inclined to fudge figures even if the Maharashtra figure is already huge.
we have to remember that what ever numbers are coming now are a result of events/intreventions that have happened atleast 2 weeks ago.
 

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A military study said people who had the flu shot are 36% more likely to catch coronavirus.

16% of Italian population had the influence vaccination last year.

The impact upon human health of the adjuvants present in vaccines including heavy metals, aluminum, mercury, aborted fetal cells is still untested and not fully understood!

https://t.co/Z7HBJZubaB
As expected.........

*Indian Mutated Strain Could Kill Coronavirus Vaccine Research | GreatGameIndia*

A coronavirus strain isolated in India carried a mutation that could render current international vaccine efforts useless, researchers in Australia and Taiwan warned. Scientists have been targeting the same process that allowed the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) to infect people but the mutation found throws them off course.

The scientists claim that the change had occurred in part of the spike protein that allows the novel coronavirus to bind with certain human cells. The structure targets cells containing ACE2, an enzyme found in the outer surface cells in the lungs, which allowed the SARS virus to infect people.

“The observation of this study raised the alarm that Sars-CoV-2 mutation that varied epitope (something that an antibody attaches itself to) profile could arise at any time. This means current vaccine development against Sars-CoV-2 is at great risk of becoming futile.”

Read more https://greatgameindia.com/indian-mutated-strain-could-kill-coronavirus-vaccine-research/
We've never made a successful vaccine for any type of coronavirus before. If you think that a vaccine will be the golden ticket that gets us out of this mess, you might want to reconsider that belief, because there has never been a successful vaccine for any type of coronavirus as THEY KEEP MUTATING FREQUENTLY

Finding a way to neutralize the virus "outside" of the body is very difficult.

This is partly because only the outer layer of cells in the lungs (the epthelial cells) get infected, which, compared to a severe infection of internal organs doesn't produce the same immune response, so is harder to target.

It's hard to produce a successful vaccine if the virus isn't activating a strong immune response.

And if a vaccine elicits an immune response that misses the target cells, the result could potentially be worse than if no vaccine was given.

"One of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when the immune response does cross over to where the virus-infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it," Professor Frazer said.

"So that immunisation with SARS corona vaccine caused, in animals, inflammation in the lungs which wouldn't otherwise have been there if the vaccine hadn't been given."


Will we ever get a vaccine?
We don't yet have vaccines against any coronaviruses family in humans, in part due to the challenges of developing vaccines for viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract.

There are a lot of vaccine experiments going on around the world at the moment trying to change that though, including some in human trials.

While this gives us the best possible chance of getting a successful vaccine, it also highlights that there isn't an obvious winner yet, said Professor Frazer.

"I think it would be fair to say even if we get something which looked quite encouraging in animals, the safety trials in humans will have to be fairly extensive before we would think about vaccinating a group of people who have not yet been exposed to the virus.

"They might hope to get protection but certainly wouldn't be keen to accept a possibility of really serious side effects if they actually caught the virus."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616
 
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We've never made a successful vaccine for any type of coronavirus before. If you think that a vaccine will be the golden ticket that gets us out of this mess, you might want to reconsider that belief, because there has never been a successful vaccine for any type of coronavirus as THEY KEEP MUTATING FREQUENTLY

Finding a way to neutralize the virus "outside" of the body is very difficult.

This is partly because only the outer layer of cells in the lungs (the epthelial cells) get infected, which, compared to a severe infection of internal organs doesn't produce the same immune response, so is harder to target.

It's hard to produce a successful vaccine if the virus isn't activating a strong immune response.

And if a vaccine elicits an immune response that misses the target cells, the result could potentially be worse than if no vaccine was given.

"One of the problems with corona vaccines in the past has been that when the immune response does cross over to where the virus-infected cells are it actually increases the pathology rather than reducing it," Professor Frazer said.

"So that immunisation with SARS corona vaccine caused, in animals, inflammation in the lungs which wouldn't otherwise have been there if the vaccine hadn't been given."


Will we ever get a vaccine?
We don't yet have vaccines against any coronaviruses family in humans, in part due to the challenges of developing vaccines for viruses that infect the upper respiratory tract.

There are a lot of vaccine experiments going on around the world at the moment trying to change that though, including some in human trials.

While this gives us the best possible chance of getting a successful vaccine, it also highlights that there isn't an obvious winner yet, said Professor Frazer.

"I think it would be fair to say even if we get something which looked quite encouraging in animals, the safety trials in humans will have to be fairly extensive before we would think about vaccinating a group of people who have not yet been exposed to the virus.

"They might hope to get protection but certainly wouldn't be keen to accept a possibility of really serious side effects if they actually caught the virus."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616
Vaccine is already there. BCG - ensure that everyone gets it. There are people still in India who have not been vaccinated for BCG. Most of the katuas don't believe in vaccination so they are not vaccinated. Some of the older folks have not been vaccinated either. In my opinion we should cover all unvaccinated non-katuas. Let the katuas figure out what to do themselves after all this is Allah ki deen.
 

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China's New COVID-19 Hotspot on Russian Border Raises Tensions Between Two Allies

The machines lay idle at the mill in Suifenhe, the Chinese border city roughly 75 miles from the Russian port city of Vladivostok. Without the machines the workers cut, stack and sort the wood by hand, continuing work in a region that felt it had remained largely untouched by the new coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan.

"This epidemic felt like it was very far away," Su Wei, who heads production and sales at the wood-processing factory, told Reuters. The city is more than 1,200 miles from Wuhan, the central Hubei province capital where the novel virus was first reported late last year.

But now the secluded, quiet border town has become a point of strain between China and Russia who in recent years touted their "strategic partnership" as the two nations remain at loggerheads with the west. With the land border between the nations now closed, a riff between local and state governments has undermined the return of foreign nationals.

Though China had seen coronavirus cases decline since mid-March, when a spokesperson for the National Health Commission (NHC) told reporters, "Broadly speaking, the peak of the epidemic has passed for China... The increase of new cases is falling." The country has since battled to contain a rise in imported cases, many from Russia.

On Sunday, local Russian media reported 6,060 confirmed new cases of the virus in 24 hours, bringing the country's total to 42,853 with 361 fatalities.

"The shutdown of borders between the two countries has demonstrated the awkward situation China faces when dealing with an ally like Russia," Wu Qiang, an independent scholar formerly at Beijing's Tsinghua University, told The Guardian.

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A Chinese border guard stands watch at a border crossing with Russia at the Chinese border town of Suifenhe, northeastern Heilongjiang province in July 2006. GOH CHAI HIN/AFP via Getty Images

The mill is but one example of this strain. The nearly 200 workers who maintained the plant during peak logging season had been fearful of the virus, and two-thirds did not return to work in the Heilonjiang province town where street and shop signs are written in both Russian and Chinese.


"They very clearly said 'we are scared, so we don't want to come', and we can't force them to come," said Su.

More than 2,000 Chinese nationals, believing they could receive better healthcare at home, crossed into China from Russia before the border was closed on April 7, stranding hundreds more in Russia. This influx of nationals, returning from as far as Moscow in the country's west, turned the quiet town (population 70,000) into China's new COVID-19 hotspot.

According to The Guardian, which reviewed a statement from the Chinese consulate in Vladivostok on Thursday, 346 Chinese nationals who travelled through Suifenhe contracted the disease. Reuters reported the town had 322 of 326 imported cases throughout the province only three days before. As of Thursday, China had a total of 1,534 imported cases, according to China's NHC.

Local authorities in Suifenhe are watching as the lockdown strains the economy, forcing residents to stay at home for stretches of three days, reminiscent of the Wuhan response where medical teams cordoned streets and patients in a desperate attempt to contain the spread of the virus. The state-run media in China has since called these efforts "a battle to defend Suifenhe."

The strain between the two nations was underscored further during a diplomatic exchange between the Chinese consulate in Vladivostok and the Russian region bordering China which held 330 stranded Chinese nationals.

When Russian authorities in Primorsky Krai, the border region, announced they planned to return the stranded nationals, the Chinese consulate said the announcement was "inaccurate."

Russian officials then removed mention of the planned swap from their website.

 

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Turkish virus cases surge past Iran, then China

ANKARA: The number of coronavirus cases in Turkey rose to 86,306 on Tuesday, overtaking China only a day after it overtook Iran.
Turkey reported its first coronavirus patient as recently as March 10.
It now has the highest total outside Europe and the US, and is the worst-affected country in the Middle East and the seventh-worst in the world.

Health Minister Fahrettin Koca said 127 more people had died, taking the death toll to 2,017.
Last weekend 31 cities including the capital Ankara and Istanbul were under lockdown for a second time, after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said all-day weekend curfews would continue as long as they were necessary.

The first curfew was introduced at two hours’ notice, prompting widespread anger.
Political analysts told Arab News the pandemic had exposed faultlines between Erdogan’s government and municipal authorities.

“The victories of the opposition-run municipalities in Turkey during the March 2019 elections should not be forgotten,” said Nezih Onur Kuru of Koc University in Istanbul.

“People voted strongly for opposition candidates in these municipalities due to the feeling of being unjustly treated. This is the same for the ongoing frictions in managing the social impact of the pandemic.”
Friction between the opposition and government was endangering relief measures at the expense of citizens, he said.

Erdogan's response
Treatment and medicine for COVID-19 patients, as well as protective gear and testing, have become free of charge in public hospitals and medical centers.

Travel restrictions in and out of 31 cities have been extended for another 15 days. All public gatherings are banned in the country. All schools and universities are closed, and all international flights are suspended.
People under the age of 20 and above the age of 65 have not been allowed to leave their homes for a while. The government imposed a two-day curfew for the second consecutive weekend and only state officials, journalists and logistics employees were exempt.

Turkey’s Ministry of Interior banned the opposition-run Mersin municipality in the south from distributing free bread to people, even though the city is one of 31 municipalities under lockdown due to the coronavirus contagion risk.

The ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) criticized such municipalities for creating a parallel structure.
“These municipalities act in a socially sensitive way,” Sengul Hablemitoglu, a social services expert from the European University of Lefke, told Arab News. “It cannot be seen as a rivalry against the government.”
A country-wide lockdown is not expected for the time being because of government concerns about the economy. But main opposition parties want tougher measures to contain the spread of the disease.

Different story
A group of 13 countries including Canada, Brazil, Turkey, Italy, and Germany used a joint statement to call for global cooperation against the devastating economic impact of the pandemic.
It urged working with all countries to coordinate on public health, travel, trade, economic and financial measures in order to “minimize disruptions and recover stronger.”

The Turkish government is expected to borrow more and print more money or rescue some critical companies amid the economic shock that has hit sectors hard, especially tourism, food and beverage, transport and export-dependent industries. It is set, for the first time, to give its sovereign wealth fund a green light to buy some strategic private firms in distress.

The Turkish Central Bank is also holding talks with its foreign counterparts on swap lines to tackle the economic costs of the quarantine restrictions.

Political analyst Nezih Onur Kuru, from Koc University in Istanbul, said world leaders who prioritized cooperation benefited from increased approval ratings. It was a different story in Turkey, however.
“In Turkey the divergence between the ruling government and some municipalities have triggered political fault lines,” he told Arab News. “The victories of the opposition-run municipalities in Turkey during the March 2019 elections should not be forgotten, as people fervently voted for opposition candidates in these municipalities due to the feeling of being unjustly treated. This is the same for the ongoing frictions in managing the social impact of the pandemic.”

Istanbul has an increasing number of confirmed coronavirus cases, prompting Mayor Ekrem Imamoglu to call for a city-wide lockdown.

Imamoglu, who is from the main opposition Republican People’s Party, defeated his AKP rival twice last year in mayoral races. Once in the poll and then again in a re-run. It was considered to be a significant warning from the city’s electorate, who felt dissatisfied with previous AKP-affiliated administrations.
Kuru added that the friction between the opposition and government was endangering relief measures at the expense of citizens.

Meanwhile a mobile tracking app, designed by the Turkish Health Ministry and cellphone operators that is accessible through the Google Play Store, has raised concerns that it may abuse people’s personal data. It sends automated messages to people diagnosed with the virus and gives the option to track people’s movements on the map.

The next two weeks may see virus cases peak in Turkey.

 

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1414 so far and delhi is still to report the numbers.. Is it safe to say we are in community spread now.... majority of states are consistently reporting numbers in threee digits now
Final count for yesterday , So delhi added another 110 ...with it spreading into slums, our last hope is gone.. With policemen and doctors infections of the rise, I wonder till how far we can keep Army / Para military away from the invisible enemy..

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I am wondering what germany is doing different from others. Look at number of recovered cases.. impressive...
 

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Final count for yesterday , So delhi added another 110 ...with it spreading into slums, our last hope is gone.. With policemen and doctors infections of the rise, I wonder till how far we can keep Army / Para military away from the invisible enemy..

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How many of our forces, etc. have co-morbidities. Most of them are super healthy (except local police). Also, I am sure due to deployments in all kinds of terrain they have all the necessary immunizations. Even if they are infected, almost all of them will be asymptomatic and get well on their own without any medical intervention. The local police is getting HCQ as a prophylactic and if you noticed despite being on the frontline 24x7 there is only one published mortality which based on the picture of the officer (overweight) I am sure could be due to other issues.
 

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