Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

[hit&run]

Is it true that hydroxychloroquine does not fight the virus itself, but rather controls the body’s immune system from kicking into overdrive?

More likely to be a virustatic mechanism happening at extracellular level.

 

[abhay rajput]

Trump is different than previous us presidents, he discusses policies on Fox News rather than face to face in person , negotiates using twitter and press meets.

There are many instances where US threatened India that go not mean we changed our policies.

The retaliations trump talking about from US , similar type are sanctioned against India in the past also. India do not care.

Off late India changed the export ban when 30 countries requested India for tablets. USA will also get these tablets with this policy change.

the current situation in USA is Panic all around, New York is at a different level. Considering this India did the right thing.

when it comes to trading blows with International powers India will not hesitate.

No , it puts pressure ... There are many examples in the past . You might want to take a look on the agreements we have signed with them. Some recent ones are comcasa, data protection bill, and near future dairy ones. we might make fun when Pakistan deal with USA but we aren't much different. They managed trump rather well with Afghanistan. No need to detail this thread , do you research on Google. There are many articles

 

[ezsasa]

More likely to be a virustatic mechanism happening at extracellular level.

Saath mein online medical dictionary ka link bhi bhej do agli baar....

 

[Srinivas_K]

No , it puts pressure ... There are many examples in the past . You might want to take a look on the agreements we have signed with them. Some recent ones are comcasa, data protection bill, and near future dairy ones. we might make fun when Pakistan deal with USA but we aren't much different. They managed trump rather well with Afghanistan.

Pakistan do not negotiate, they take orders from USA or China.
It is always a rough tide to ride when it comes to negotiations with western countries. India knows how to do that without giving in to the pressure.

No need to bother about trump circus, India acted responsibly.

 

[abhay rajput]

Pakistan do not negotiate, they take orders from USA or China.
It is always a rough tide to ride when it comes to negotiations with western countries. India knows how to do that without giving in to the pressure.

No need to bother about trump circus, India acted responsibly.

Really.? Then how does Pakistan get missiles in 2008.? They managed even a new f16 from USA in 2019. They also make a good deal with USA on Afghanistan in exchange of maintenance of us equipments.. Yes sir we all know about the interference of USA in our Internal affairs. I am done debating this topic with members here, please post your reply in relevant thread. Otherwise members will complaint about it

 

[ladder]

Well if that's the case then why does USA need more..? They already have 27 million tablets according to trump .

Have you read the original export ban terms?

https://theprint.in/india/modi-govt...chloroquine-as-covid-19-demand-surges/387558/

Exports will be limited to fulfilling existing contracts, while certain shipments on humanitarian grounds may also be allowed on a case-by-case basis, according to a statement issued Wednesday by the Directorate General of Foreign Trade.

It was never a blanket ban.

And why Trump said so? Who knows?
I haven't watched the press conference.

 

[Ujjain]

But crook govt giving tax exemption to chetoos sellers who pay crippling and stagnant wages to there slave labour. --- while Malik of that company and shareholders keep making billions while doing nothing. ---- while avg chomu die in inflation. --- all you need is politicial and beurocratic connection and wala! sky is the limit.

Bhai tax exemptions are given to an entire sector rather than a perticular company, and in most of those sectors PSU's also exist and those exemptions also apply to them. And those exemptions are meant to give a boost to consumption and increase exports which also helps workforce. And as far as peanut size wages of workforce is concerned then keep in mind that we are still a developing economy and our companies have to grow and growth demands money to be invested. But at the same time talented guys are paid handsomely. A friend of mine who is a post graduate from IIT Bombay first got a job in ONGC where he was paid 110000 per month but he later joined a private sector firm(I don't remember company's name) and now earns close to 3.5 LPM. So, wage is almost always proportional to your qualifications. Don't expect high wages when you yourself are a senior secondary pass.

 

[Waanar]

Hearing Chinese saying high dose Vitamin C is an effective treatment for Kung flu.
Anyone trust that?

 

[Satchidananda369]

My point was only about quantity of Hydroxychloroquine to treat patients. I in no way trust Swamy at all. Neither I like to quote twitter as a source but I couldn't find the original article I read late night about how much is required to treat 1 patient. We have sent 5 tons to Greece which is a lot but it is still not sufficient for them.. just imagine then how much we need if something goes bad after April 14

Read ICMR documents. As prophylaxis
1. For health care worker 800mg ( 4* 200 mg ) on day 1. And 400mg once a week for 7 weeks.
2. For those having direct contact with patients 800 mg on day 1 and 400 mg per week for 3 week.

I don't know how much is given to patients, but probably never increases beyond 800 mg per day as it is the loading dose.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1NycGa-VncI3XaSBED_nyD

Dr. Zelenko of New York has successfully cured 1000+ patients with 200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine or 400mg 1x daily in 6-8 days when taken along with azythromycin and zinc sulphate.

India's current annual production capacity which is 75% of total global output is enough for 3-4 crore people while production is being further ramped up.

Su Swamy is way off target as usual!

We can easily help all our allies while catering to the expected domestic spike.

If HCQS really turns out to be the miracle it's being made out to be, the whole world will be indebted to India.

This is a Golden opportunity for India to greatly enhance its soft power and improve it's global Good will and capture the ground lost by China.

#ChinaLiedPeopleDied
#IndiaTriedCoronaDied

 

[Srinivas_K]

Really.? Then how does Pakistan get missiles in 2008.? They managed even a new f16 from USA in 2019. They also make a good deal with USA on Afghanistan in exchange of maintenance of us equipments.. Yes sir we all know about the interference of USA in our Internal affairs. I am done debating this topic with members here, please post your reply in relevant thread. Otherwise members will complaint about it

Pakistan gets defence toys as a reward for obeying USA or China. Chances of Afghan peace to become reality are less.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Bc we are making 200 million HCQ tablets every month

So 2 tablets 3 times a day means every month we produce good enough for more than 3 crore that's the worst case scenario.

Now what we need is the second tablet along with it. I read the news a few week back that in next 3-4 months mass production of that will start too.

 

[abhay rajput]

Have you read the original export ban terms?

https://theprint.in/india/modi-govt...chloroquine-as-covid-19-demand-surges/387558/



It was never a blanket ban.

And why Trump said so? Who knows?
I haven't watched the press conference.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/world/coronavirus-live-news-updates.html
You can read that .. and sorry it's 29 million

 

[Why so serious?]

Not a Word against Muslims for Isolated Incident: K'taka CM Warns of Strict Action against Hatemongers
The statement came three days after BS Yediyurappa met Muslim leaders and requested them to hold prayers within their homes and reveal details of those who had attended the Tablighi Jamaat event in Delhi in March.
UPDATED ON: APRIL 6, 2020, 11:34 PM IST
Revathi Rajeevan , Babychakra
File photo of Karnataka CM BS Yediyurappa.

Bengaluru: Following in the footsteps of his counterparts in other southern states, Karnataka Chief Minister BS Yediyurappa said on Monday action would be taken against those blaming the entire Muslim community for isolated incidents.

"Nobody should speak a word against Muslims. This is a warning. If anyone blames the entire Muslim community for some isolated incident, I'll take action against them also without a second thought. Will not give an opportunity for that," Yediyurappa told TV9, a Kannada channel in an exclusive interview. A 37-second long clip from the interview is now doing rounds on social media.

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The statement came three days after Yediyurappa met Muslim leaders and MLAs and requested them to hold prayers within their homes and reveal details of those who had attended the Tablighi Jamaat congregation in Delhi in mid-March.



"They (Muslim leaders) agreed they won't hold namaaz in masjids and said they will pray in their homes. They are cooperating," the chief minister said.

A number of attendees of the Tabhigi Jamaat event have tested positive for coronavirus across the country and has led to a lot of hate mongering (both online and offline) against the community.

Soon after, Kerala Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan and his Tamil Nadu counterpart Edappadi Palanisami issued warnings against communalising the COVID-19 cases.



The Tamil Nadu government on Monday began referring to the cases associated with the Delhi event as the ones associated with a "single source event".

Meanwhile, a video of two Muslim men, purportedly outsiders, who came for fishing in a nearby river, being threatened in Bagalkote district of Karnataka surfaced on Monday.

Four men, including the duo, can be seen surrounded by locals in Bidari village of the district, some of them armed with sticks. The locals are heard saying, "You (Muslims) are responsible for the cases in India. 90% of those have contracted the virus are you all (Muslims)".

The men are being threatened against entering the village, violating lockdown while four of them are seen folding hands and pleading for mercy.

"If you see strangers in your locality, inform the nearest police station. Police will take action. If you take law into your hands, we will take action against you without any sympathy," said Bagalkote Superintendent of Police Lokesh Jagalasar.

He also warned people against circulating video and audio messages on social media that may lead to communal disharmony.

 

[Anikastha]

PR stunt by kids parents to cash in on popularity . And to make fence sitters jump and contribute to CMRF . Jagan needs money badly now

kid is nice cute , healthy...looks like from a well off family or relative of some ysrcp minister....as u said yes...may b pr stunt of cmrf....

 

[abhay rajput]

Dr. Zelenko of New York has successfully cured 1000+ patients with 200mg 2x daily Hydroxy Chloroquine or 400mg 1x daily in 6-8 days when taken along with azythromycin and zinc sulphate.

India's current annual production capacity which is 75% of total global output is enough for 3-4 crore people while production is being further ramped up.

Su Swamy is way off target as usual!

We can easily help all our allies while catering to the expected domestic spike.

If HCQS really turns out to be the miracle it's being made out to be, the whole world will be indebted to India.

This is a Golden opportunity for India to greatly enhance its soft power and improve it's global Good will and capture the ground lost by China.

#ChinaLiedPeopleDied
#IndiaTriedCoronaDied

You are forgetting that our drug supplies are dependent on China . One move from china even we will be begging .. and it's not just about hydroxychloroquine, it's majority of drugs. China isn't called manufacturing house for nothing.
More important question is how many tablets are required to treat 1 patient.? Got it
1 patient - 14 tablet.
So I don't understand the urgency of trump freaking out over this. Moreover only 20-30 percent coronavirus patient requires treatments.
https://m.timesofindia.com/business...uine-demand-industry/articleshow/75029934.cms

 

[hit&run]

Saath mein online medical dictionary ka link bhi bhej do agli baar....

Virustatic = making virus inactive, slow, ineffective; not dead.
Extracellular=Blood.

A supercomputer was assigned to find chemicals that can kill this virus. It found around 70 of them. Scientists are now narrowing down to few of them which will take more time.

I am not sure if HCQ was one of them. But in a Lab (I think in Australia) it has shown to have neutralise Covid-19.

Since this chemical has long history of use and its pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics are well understood I see no harm in using it empirically.

However it will be important to know at what strength it works against the virus. That is how much dosage and duration it maybe required for.

Having used it during my teenage for Malaria, on 3rd day it made my feet feel like burning red hot coals and I screamed for 2 days and troubled my mother all along before discontinuing it. I mean it is a strong drug.

It will be literally like poisoning the patient and keeping its level up in the blood to a desired strength in order to make the virus inactive. If it’s systemic use works as virusidal then it will be a jackpot. Going by how Librandu portals are ranting against it. I assume it works, but obviously you need a good clinician who is very perceptive to manage its titration to achieve desired effects. It’s a leap of faith therefore it needs great judgement of the doctors. Naysayers and less experienced may not like to work with it.

 

[Craigs]

You are forgetting that our drug supplies are dependent on China . One move from china even we will be begging .. and it's not just about hydroxychloroquine, it's majority of drugs. China isn't called manufacturing house for nothing.
More important question is how many tablets are required to treat 1 patient.?

Prove your statement with actual data. APIs are nothing magical. Our petrochemical industry is diverse enough to takeover if China tries anything nasty. You are talking as if APIs are patent protected trade secrets.

 

[Flying Dagger]

and the jugaad when you see it.. power plug.....

If it works good.. for us.. with a compressor it will hardly cost 1.5 lakh around much below than 5 lakh + it cost to buy a conventional ventilator.

We have a Noida based company too producing at similar price at 1.5 lakh. I am sure within few months our health care system will improve manifold . Now what we need is construction of big quarantine facilities and hospitals the present one will be inadequate if this or other disease spread in future like this.

 

[hit&run]

Hearing Chinese saying high dose Vitamin C is an effective treatment for Kung flu.
Anyone trust that?

Few days ago I posted on Vitamin C and it’s role in haematopoiesis specifically for lymphocyte development and function. Also how it helps spread of NK cells who kill antigens. Vitamin C is good for immunity, not sure if it directly works against the virus as a chemical.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

So, the day before yesterday the number hit from new cases were 600+. Yesterday it was 489.

And as of today without Delhi, Telengana &UP the number is 311. For those who are concerned about MH. Its been updated twice today and the number is 77.