Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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Indrajit

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This is pathetic, why do these people never listen.
Delhi chaps in Karnataka, it seems like. Getting the full North Karnataka police treatment. Must have got used to Kejriwal’s relaxed attitude. Different kettle of fish, the North Karnataka police is turning out to be.
 

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I have read it, it’s an question of what scientists mean when they say airborne. Even droplets are theoretically airborne even if for a short period of time and that in certain conditions they can be aersolised. However by. Conventional terminology, this isn’t defined as airborne, as in carried through air over considerable distances. I have read other reports suggesting isolated cases of airborne spread but that remains an outlier opinion as yet. You won’t get it standing in terraces and balconies, unless the person next to you is infected.
 

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This is how Quranovirus is spreading Wuhan-China-Virus.

Translation as per tweeter:
The Arabian ponies are engaged daily in preparing Corona Jihadists and Corona Fidayans. I tell you the truth that these traitors have no faith in this country. Their faith is only and only towards Mecca-Mendina, towards their Ummah, go to the country. So their #पूर्ण_बहिष्कार Do it.


Translation as per tweeter:
70 peacekeepers coming from Dubai, Corona Positive, were found in Nizamuddin Mosque, Delhi. Foreign congregations were also caught from mosques in Patna, Ranchi, Coimbatore, which turned out to be positive. Despite the order, on 20 March Jumma performed the collective prayers and #CoronaJihad Disseminated. 80% of the corona patients are from the community.
 

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https://openthemagazine.com/cover-story/can-we-forgive-china/

Cover Story | Coronavirus: Geopolitics
Can We Forgive China?
If any other country had sparked such a mammoth international crisis, it would now be in the global doghouse

Brahma Chellaney | 27 Mar, 2020




THE INCALCULABLE HUMAN and economic toll exacted by the spread of the novel coronavirus from China promises to shake up global geopolitics, including China’s position in the world. With the 21-day India lockdown—the largest national shutdown in history—nearly half of the global population is now under some form of lockdown, thanks to China’s disastrous, initial missteps that allowed the deadly virus to spread far and wide.

After the global crisis is over, the West’s relationship with China is unlikely to go back to normal. Efforts are expected to begin to loosen China’s grip on global supply chains. Moves are already afoot in the US Congress to bring manufacture of essential medicines back to the US, which currently relies on China for 97 per cent of all its antibiotics.

Asian countries were the first to be affected by the transnational spread of Covid-19 from China. In fact, only after Covid-19 cases with Wuhan links were detected in Thailand and South Korea that China acknowledged its epidemic, when the People’s Daily on January 21st admitted human-to-human spread and publicised Chinese President Xi Jinping’s first comments. The bitterness over China’s role in triggering the pandemic will likely linger in Asia. After all, the lives of many will never be the same.

As US President Donald Trump has said, “the world is paying a big price” for China’s initial, weeks-long cover-up of the Covid-19 outbreak in Wuhan city and other parts of Hubei province. From November 17th onward, according to a South China Morning Post report based on Chinese government data, Wuhan doctors recorded one to five cases daily, before infection rates spiralled and a raging epidemic unfolded. However, China waited until January 21st to issue the first warning to its public. By then, the spread of the virus had gone beyond its control.

A study based on sophisticated modelling has indicated that if Chinese authorities had acted three weeks earlier than they did, the number of Covid-19 cases in China could have been reduced by 95 per cent and the global spread of the disease limited. The virus spread farther and wider because the Communist Party of China (CPC) cared more about its reputation than the Chinese people’s suffering or the transnational impacts.

Make no mistake: China faces lasting damage to its image. The CPC not only engineered the pandemic, however inadvertently, but also has sought to save face by unleashing a sustained disinformation campaign aimed at creating doubts over the new disease’s origin in China. Chinese diplomats, for example, have unabashedly sought to blame the US for the virus. But such outlandish propaganda has few takers.

The images the world has seen of markets in China selling wild animals for slaughter on the spot have served as a reminder of how Beijing ignored warnings from its own experts since the 2002-2003 Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) pandemic, which also originated on Chinese territory. Infectious-disease specialists based in Hong Kong, in a study published in 2007 in an American journal, said the presence of a large reservoir of SARS-like ‘viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals,’ was a Chinese ‘time bomb’ that raised the ‘possibility of the reemergence of SARS and other novel viruses from animals or laboratories.’

In fact, just months before the Covid-19 outbreak in China, a biomedical study by four Chinese presciently warned that a new coronavirus will emanate from bats, with ‘an increased probability that this will occur in China.’ The Chinese hunger for the rare, exotic and dubiously curative has fostered wildlife farming, provided a cover for poaching and threatened to drive endangered animals to extinction.



Videos showing Chinese wolfing down pangolins, wolf cubs, dogs, snakes, hedgehogs, civet cats or other animals not only contribute to China’s image problem but also underline the dangers of another deadly disease originating in that country. The CPC wields the big stick to muzzle dissent at home but not to change tastes or attitudes that could give the world yet another pandemic after SARS and Covid-19.

Covid-19, meanwhile, has cast an unflattering light on the only institution tasked with providing global health leadership, the World Health Organization (WHO). Under Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO’s first chief who is not a medical doctor, the institution’s credibility has taken a severe beating.

Tedros, who served as Ethiopia’s health minister and then foreign minister, has mismanaged WHO’s efforts to contain Covid-19, declaring it a pandemic only on March 11th, weeks after the virus had spread across the world. This contrasts with the alacrity with which he has defended China’s Covid-19 response at every stage.

In fact, before China came clean, Tedros actively aided CPC’s efforts to ‘play down the severity, prevalence and scope of the COVID-19 outbreak,’ as two US-based scholars have pointed out. Health officials in Taiwan, which instituted Covid-19 preventive measures before any country, have said that they alerted the WHO on December 31st to human-to-human transmission by detailing how Wuhan medical staff were getting ill. Yet, based on Chinese inputs, the WHO declared on January 14th that there was ‘no clear evidence’ of such transmission. The WHO changed its position only after China belatedly admitted transmission between humans.

When countries like the US, Italy and India banned travel to or from China, Tedros publicly opposed such restrictions on February 4th, warning that they will have “the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public-health benefit.” Tedros has further politicised WHO’s role in the current crisis by lavishing praise on Xi, saying he has displayed “a very rare leadership,” and paying tribute to Chinese “transparency,” despite the CPC’s intrinsic aversion to transparency.

Founded 71 years ago, the WHO remains overly bureaucratic and too dependent on some major donors to independently coordinate international health policy, which explains China’s growing sway over that United Nations agency, including shutting the door to Taiwan’s entry. After Tedros’s overt politicisation of international health, the damage to WHO’s credibility will not be easy to repair. Calls are already growing for him to resign.

The lesson from SARS—the first pandemic of the 21st century—was that state transparency and early and accurate public warning are essential to fight the major outbreak of any disease. But Beijing did the opposite during the Covid-19 outbreak, as underscored by a favourite social-media line, ‘China lied and people died.’ Beijing helped spawn a manmade calamity that has created an unparalleled global crisis.

When the outbreak occurred in Wuhan, China acted decisively not against the virus but against the whistle-blowers

In fact, China also covered up the SARS outbreak for more than a month, holding the doctor who blew the whistle on it in military custody for 45 days. And, in the past 19 months, secrecy and under-reporting of African swine flu cases in China has created one of the worst livestock epidemics ever that has killed millions of pigs there. China’s Covid-19 role, however, will rank as the most dangerous cover-up in modern history.

Had Beijing sought to confine the Covid-19 outbreak to its central Hubei province by suspending all travel from there as soon as it became aware of the gravity of the problem, the novel coronavirus might not have spread to other parts of China or to other countries. Instead, it put no restriction on international travel, including from Wuhan, thereby helping to spread the disease internationally.

WHEN COUNTRIES LIKE the US, Italy and India blocked flights to and from China, Beijing expressed dismay, saying such bans went against the WHO recommendation not to restrict travel and trade. ‘In disregard of WHO recommendation against travel restrictions, the US went the opposite way,’ the Chinese foreign ministry’s spokesman said on Twitter in response to America’s January 31st travel restrictions. ‘Where is its empathy?’ Beijing called for lifting the bans, while cajoling small, financially vulnerable countries to keep their borders open to Chinese travellers.

In Italian cities, individual travellers from China held placards at public intersections that read, ‘Please hug me: I am a Chinese, not a virus.’ And videos showing them receiving hugs from passersby were telecast in China by the state media to signal that the world still loved China.

Now, by spreading unfounded conspiracy theories, China is seeking to deflect criticism for its role in starting a pandemic by covering up the coronavirus outbreak at home. Indeed, the Chinese leadership is facing a credibility problem at home over its secretive initial response to the outbreak. It has sought to save itself from the people’s wrath by spreading conspiracy theories on the origin of the virus and by patting itself on the back for supposedly bringing the spread of the disease under control. Xi has been portrayed as a hero who is leading the country to victory in a ‘people’s war’ against Covid-19.

The Covid-19 crisis has not stopped the regime from going after anyone daring to expose its initial cover-up. Beijing property tycoon Ren Zhiqiang, who called Xi a ‘clown-emperor with no clothes,’ has been missing since mid-March. ‘I see not an emperor standing there exhibiting his ‘new clothes,’ but a clown who stripped naked and insisted on continuing to be an emperor,’ Ren had said in an essay that blamed Xi for silencing whistle-blowers and suppressing information on the outbreak.

Many Chinese are still seething over the regime’s initial concealment and mismanagement of the crisis. The public anger at home, coupled with the damage to China’s global image, has prompted Beijing to launch a public-relations blitzkrieg, including churning out conspiracy theories.

As if China’s role in starting a global pandemic was not enough, Beijing is now unleashing a pandemic of lies. To be sure, fabrications and disinformation are integral to China’s ‘three wars’ concept: public opinion warfare, psychological warfare and legal warfare. Consequently, the circulation of disinformation is an old Chinese tactic.

With its ‘three wars’ doctrine, Beijing has sought to send two messages to the rest of the world: ‘we did everything to stop the outbreak; in fact, we bought you time;’ and ‘the virus probably didn’t even originate in China.’ The paradox is that the two messages, built on falsehoods, are contradictory. But that does not bother the regime, which has published a propaganda book in multiple languages, including English, Arabic, Spanish, French and Russian. The book, touting its handling of the disease, is titled, A Battle Against Epidemic: China Combatting COVID-19 in 2020.


A scene in Wuhan, China, March 3 (Photo: Reuters)
China’s combative public diplomacy involves the use of Twitter and other social-media platforms to influence the international narrative through misinformation and disinformation. Zhao Lijian, the new in-charge of the social-media propaganda machine, has recently used Twitter to push unfounded conspiracy theories, including that the novel coronavirus was brought by US Army officers who visited Wuhan in October 2019.

Before becoming the Chinese foreign ministry’s spokesman in Beijing earlier this year, Zhao was China’s deputy chief of mission in Pakistan, where he honed his social-media propaganda skills. In Pakistan, Zhao peddled conspiracy theories on Twitter (which is banned in China) and added ‘Muhammad’ to his name (until Beijing outlawed the use of ‘Muhammad’ and other overtly Islamic names in Xinjiang and elsewhere). His appointment as a foreign ministry spokesman signalled that Beijing was moving from aggressive diplomacy to brazen diplomacy. Zhao’s actions have helped validate that hypothesis.

More broadly, China is now seeking to aggressively rebrand itself as the global leader in combating a virus that spread internationally from its own territory. Its rebranding effort includes counter-pandemic aid to developing countries, a pledge to donate $20 million to the WHO and a massive PR campaign, which extends from a claim to have fully contained the coronavirus in its worst-affected areas to disseminating plain disinformation so as to obscure its disastrous missteps that gifted the world a horrendous pandemic.

With the help of the CPC’s propaganda organs, Beijing is trying to fashion a narrative that China is an example of how to control the spread of Covid-19. In fact, like the arsonist offering to extinguish the fire it started, China is now seeking to help other countries combat a dangerous pathogen after its own gross negligence led to that virus spreading across the globe.

The attempt clearly is to deflect liability for a global crisis whose costs continue to mount. After all, if any other country had sparked such a mammoth international crisis, it would now be in the global doghouse.

Beijing’s proactive attempt to rewrite the history of the pandemic, even as much of the world grapples with its escalating consequences, highlights its well-oiled machine. Yet, when the Covid-19 outbreak occurred in Wuhan, China acted decisively not against the virus but against the whistle-blowing doctors, eight of whom were detained. This underscores that, for the world’s strongest and richest dictatorship, power and control take precedence over everything else, including human lives.
Having spawned the global coronavirus crisis, China is now planning to exploit the financial and other disruptions that the pandemic has engendered. It is hoping to game the situation in order to gain greater technological and industrial advantage. But the international anger over its role in triggering the pandemic could frustrate its plans.

The pandemic’s lesson for many countries is that, in an increasingly interconnected and interdependent world, China’s secrecy and obfuscation are antithetical to globalisation and international security. Transparency is essential to make us all safer. China cannot have its cake and eat it too. It must fundamentally reform and abide by international norms.

If the pandemic upends the world order as we know it, China’s role will be a key trigger.
 

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https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-deaths-03272020182846.html

Estimates Show Wuhan Death Toll Far Higher Than Official Figure
2020-03-27

As authorities lifted a two-month coronavirus lockdown in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, residents said they were growing increasingly skeptical that the figure of some 2,500 deaths in the city to date was accurate.

Since the start of the week, seven large funeral homes in Wuhan have been handing out the cremated remains of around 500 people to their families every day, suggesting that far more people died than ever made the official statistics.

"It can't be right ... because the incinerators have been working round the clock, so how can so few people have died?" an Wuhan resident surnamed Zhang told RFA on Friday.

"They started distributing ashes and starting interment ceremonies on
Monday," he said.

Seven funeral homes currently serve Wuhan -- a huge conurbation of three cities: Hankou, Wuchang and Hanyang.

Social media users have been doing some basic math to figure out their daily capacity, while the news website Caixin.com reported that 5,000 urns had been delivered by a supplier to the Hankou Funeral Home in one day alone -- double the official number of deaths.

Some social media posts have estimated that all seven funeral homes in Wuhan are handing out 3,500 urns every day in total.

Funeral homes have informed families that they will try to complete cremations before the traditional grave-tending festival of Qing Ming on April 5, which would indicate a 12-day process beginning on March 23.

Such an estimate would mean that 42,000 urns would be given out during that time.

Various calculations

Another popular estimate is based on the cremation capacity of the funeral homes, which run a total of 84 furnaces with a capacity over 24 hours of 1,560 urns city-wide, assuming that one cremation takes one hour.

This calculation results in an estimated 46,800 deaths.

A resident of Hubei province, of which Wuhan is the capital, said most people there now believe that more than 40,000 people died in the city before and during the lockdown.

"Maybe the authorities are gradually releasing the real figures, intentionally or unintentionally, so that people will gradually come to accept the reality," the resident, who gave only his surname Mao, said.

A source close to the provincial civil affairs bureau said many people had died at home, without being diagnosed with, or treated for, COVID-19.

The source said any talk of the true number of deaths in Wuhan was very sensitive, but that the authorities do likely know the real figure.

"Every funeral home reports data on cremations directly to the authorities twice daily," the source said. "This means that each funeral home only knows how many cremations it has conducted, but not the situation at the other funeral homes."

The source said Wuhan saw 28,000 cremations in the space of a single month, suggesting that the online estimates over a two-and-a-half month period weren't excessive.

Wuhan resident Sun Linan said relatives of those who died are now forming long lines outside funeral homes to collect their loved ones' ashes.

"It has already begun," Sun said on Thursday. "There were people lining up in Biandanshan Cemetery yesterday, and a lot of people forming lines today at Hankou Funeral Home."

Hush money

Wuhan resident Chen Yaohui told RFA that city officials have been handing out 3,000 yuan in "funeral allowances" to the families of the dead in exchange for their silence.

"There have been a lot of funerals in the past few days, and the authorities are handing out 3,000 yuan in hush money to families who get their loved ones' remains laid to rest ahead of Qing Ming," he said, in a reference to the traditional grave tending festival on April 5.

"It's to stop them keening [a traditional expression of grief]; nobody's allowed to keen after Qing Ming has passed," Chen said.


The son of deceased COVID-10 patient Hu Aizhen said he had been told to collect his mother's ashes by the local neighborhood committee.

"The local committee told me they are now handling funerals, but I don't want to do it right now," the man, surnamed Ding, told RFA.

"There are too many people doing it right now."

Chen said nobody in the city believes the official death toll.

"The official number of deaths was 2,500 people ... but before the epidemic began, the city's crematoriums typically cremated around 220 people a day," he said.

"But during the epidemic, they transferred cremation workers from around China to Wuhan keep cremate bodies around the clock," he said.

A resident surnamed Gao said the city's seven crematoriums should have a capacity of around 2,000 bodies a day if they worked around the clock.

"Anyone looking at that figure will realize, anyone with any ability to think," Gao said. "What are they talking about [2,535] people?"

"Seven crematoriums could get through more than that [in a single day]."


Reported by Qiao Long for RFA's Mandarin Service, and by Lau Siu-fung for the Cantonese Service. Translated and edited by Luisetta Mudie.
 

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No wonder Delhi increased cases by 25 just in one day.

Guys this is what is happening right in the heart of Delhi, in lock down.

This Patparganj Dargha for you.

Weep or Morn whatever you feel appropriate. :frusty: :mad2: :rage:

there is only one solution, give them a warning form a loudspeaker to disperse twice before opening fire from a mounted gun. Preferably with bullets coated in pig fat and with a cremation guaranteed later to ensure that there is no entry into the pearly gates of heaven. Take a video of the entire scene so that no one can point fingers and say they were targeted. L
 

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no man..it s not incompetence..its business competence..
like all companies world wide Indian pharma companies started to SOURCE material from a place where it is cheap..
Greed..cant say it greed cuz only by booking profit can a company stay afloat competing with its peers in the market who is using supply chain from china...else the Indian companies would have shut its shop..
its simple business logic.
so..it was a part of balancing act..

But now...every company worldwide realized the folly of putting all the eggs in chinese basket..
and most of the pharma companies are already starting their API manufacturing here in India itself.

Couldnt they do it before?
Unless they could make it cheaper and compete with china in volumes it was a huge risk ..so like many other pharma companies they too started sourcing from china.

Why now?
When every company is going for a strategy change...now its time for reorient
If anything, an opportunity.
In the next few years, we should grab as much of the basic drug manufacturing capacity (amongst other sectors) away from China as we can. Makes sense for the world as well, to not have all manufacturing conc in a shithole like China
 

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The large chunk of the 17 cases discovered today in TN all come from a Towheed Jamat meet that they traveled to in Delhi, 10 of them from erode. Also some of the took part in the Shaheen Bagh protests, one of them is a butcher, so they also have to go and trace people who interacted/bought stuff from him.

State govt estimates that nearly 1500 people traveled from TN to Delhi for this event, and they have managed to 800 of those names, they remaining 700 still have to traced out.
 

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