Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

[Craigs]

Delhi gets most of the water and electricity from UP, UK and Harayana. Watch what happens to naxali khujli in coming summer. How much yogi gives him ganga tap water.

Hope coronavirus is in control by then so that yogi gets full chance to royally screw khujli and frustrated Delhi people kick him out of the state.

Are you suggesting Yogi should punish the people of Delhi. Do you think Kujli will not have the resources to ensure full time water supply for himself, his family and his MLAs?

 

[Craigs]

You really called corona virus a flu...
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With the caveat that the definition is restricted to tropical and sub-tropical countries.

 

[Chimpoo]

We will develop immunity by that time now.. there is something called herd immunity ... Perhaps this video will help.. moreover our immune system is really great and remember that it's our immune system that is damaging lungs not the virus itself..

Yes, the Swedish have taken it a stage further and carrying on as normally as possible


"Swedish PM warned over 'Russian roulette-style' Covid-19 strategy

Health experts say attempt to build herd immunity is a ‘mad experiment with 10m people’

Unlike most EU countries, however – including its Nordic neighbours Denmark, Norway and Finland – it has not introduced stricter suppression and social distancing orders such as closing bars, restaurants non-essential shops and lower schools, nor has it placed citizens in near-total lockdown, as in Italy, Spain and France.

Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, has denied the country’s approach is to rapidly build group immunity to the virus, a tactic seemingly pursued in Britain and the Netherlands until both recently changed tack after warnings that their health systems could be overwhelmed and death tolls would soar.

But Tegnell conceded to the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper last week that such an objective was “not contradictory” with what he described as the government’s core strategy, which was to ensure “a slow spread of infection, and that the health services have a reasonable workload”.

On Sunday night, Tegnell told Swedish TV the outbreak would “calm down” in May but return in the autumn. “It will be important how much of the population is infected,” he said. “It will determine what happens in the autumn.” Coronavirus could be stopped either by “herd immunity, or a combination of immunity and vaccination”, he said. “It’s basically the same thing.” "

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sian-roulette-covid-19-strategy-herd-immunity


As are the Israelis:

This certainly does NOT seem to be the strategy India is currently adopting.

From the transcript of the Israeli Defence Minster's video.

"......….corona is a unique virus in the sense that it is way more lethal for old people than for young people. In many countries, zero young people died. Countries that many people died and 0.1% or folks under the age of 30 or 20. Whereas old people over the age of 70 and 80, 1 out of 5 of them who get the virus die.

……………..

Most, the overwhelming majority of people who get the coronavirus won't even know it. It will take three or four weeks, they won't know they have the virus and by the end of those four weeks, they'll be immune. It will start with 1%, 5%, 20% -- when it reaches just about 60-70% of the population that will be immune, the epidemic is over and then grandma and grandpa can come out. It might take a month, two or three months, maybe a bit more, but that is the plan."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/03/23/single_most_important_thing_is_to_separate_old_people_from_young_505392.html​

 

[Chain smoker]

Again treatment maybe available but medicine NO. Acetaminophen is NOT a medicine for Dengue - it may alleviate the symptoms. Anitbiotics for cholera is prescribed but again is not a guaranteed cure plus cholera is evolving anti biotic resistance: https://www.cdc.gov/cholera/treatment/antibiotic-treatment.html.

Treatment for coronavirus is also well known: Quarantine + self-isolation for 2 weeks.

Quarantine is not a treatment unless you are having mild symptoms. Just look at the symptoms of dengue and cholera current medicines can easily cure them. But for corona virus where is the treatment? , any drug? NO.

 

[Craigs]

Quarantine is not a treatment unless you are having mild symptoms. Just look at the symptoms of dengue and cholera current medicines can easily cure them. But for corona virus where is the treatment? , any drug? NO.

Are you saying current medicines guarantee 100% cure from dengue and cholera?

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Any comments members.? Future will be quite interesting... Gladly we just have to sit back and let USA & China play with each other.

Nanomachines son!!!!!!

Metal gear rising revengeance reference!!!

 

[Sanatani]

Again treatment maybe available but medicine NO. Acetaminophen is NOT a medicine for Dengue - it may alleviate the symptoms. Anitbiotics for cholera is prescribed but again is not a guaranteed cure plus cholera is evolving anti biotic resistance: https://www.cdc.gov/cholera/treatment/antibiotic-treatment.html.

Treatment for coronavirus is also well known: Quarantine + self-isolation for 2 weeks.

Antibiotics for TB are also not a guranteed cure. We have MDR and XDR TB.That doesn't mean we say that medicines for TB are not available

 

[Chain smoker]

Yes, the Swedish have taken it a stage further and carrying on as normally as possible


"Swedish PM warned over 'Russian roulette-style' Covid-19 strategy

Health experts say attempt to build herd immunity is a ‘mad experiment with 10m people’

Unlike most EU countries, however – including its Nordic neighbours Denmark, Norway and Finland – it has not introduced stricter suppression and social distancing orders such as closing bars, restaurants non-essential shops and lower schools, nor has it placed citizens in near-total lockdown, as in Italy, Spain and France.

Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, has denied the country’s approach is to rapidly build group immunity to the virus, a tactic seemingly pursued in Britain and the Netherlands until both recently changed tack after warnings that their health systems could be overwhelmed and death tolls would soar.

But Tegnell conceded to the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper last week that such an objective was “not contradictory” with what he described as the government’s core strategy, which was to ensure “a slow spread of infection, and that the health services have a reasonable workload”.

On Sunday night, Tegnell told Swedish TV the outbreak would “calm down” in May but return in the autumn. “It will be important how much of the population is infected,” he said. “It will determine what happens in the autumn.” Coronavirus could be stopped either by “herd immunity, or a combination of immunity and vaccination”, he said. “It’s basically the same thing.” "

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sian-roulette-covid-19-strategy-herd-immunity


As are the Israelis:

This certainly does not seem to be the strategy India is currently adopting.
From the transcript of the Israeli Defence Minster's video.

"......….corona is a unique virus in the sense that it is way more lethal for old people than for young people. In many countries, zero young people died. Countries that many people died and 0.1% or folks under the age of 30 or 20. Whereas old people over the age of 70 and 80, 1 out of 5 of them who get the virus die.

……………..

Most, the overwhelming majority of people who get the coronavirus won't even know it. It will take three or four weeks, they won't know they have the virus and by the end of those four weeks, they'll be immune. It will start with 1%, 5%, 20% -- when it reaches just about 60-70% of the population that will be immune, the epidemic is over and then grandma and grandpa can come out. It might take a month, two or three months, maybe a bit more, but that is the plan."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/03/23/single_most_important_thing_is_to_separate_old_people_from_young_505392.html​

It is a bait these countries are playing dangerous game. By the time the weaken immune system recovers there will be another deadly wave of virus. So far it is also not proved that recovered person may not get infected again.

 

[Sanatani]

Are you saying current medicines guarantee 100% cure from dengue and cholera?

Buddy there is no guarantee of 100 % cure for most of the diseases .

 

[Craigs]

Antibiotics for TB are also not a guranteed cure. We have MDR and XDR TB.That doesn't mean we say that medicines for TB are not available

Did I say medicines are not available for TB?

 

[Chain smoker]

Are you saying current medicines guarantee 100% cure from dengue and cholera?

Yup unless you take at the starting and your immune system is strong.

 

[Sanatani]

It is a bait these countries are playing dangerous game. By the time the weaken immune system recovers there will be another deadly wave of virus. So far it is also not proved that recovered person may not get infected again.

On top of that a weak immune system will predispose us to a number of bacterial and fungal infections too

 

[Craigs]

Buddy there is no guarantee of 100 % cure for most of the diseases .

Then why are you scared of coronavirus?

 

[Chimpoo]

lol by that time millions of people will be either dead or infected so good luck for your (herd immunity) logic .

Well, the thing in the back of some people's minds(and I'm not sure how far-fetched this is) is the possibility that ,before a vaccine is found, the Coronavirus mutates into a more lethal strain and in a second wave starts taking out the young and the healthy, who haven't got immunity ,because they weren't exposed to the first wave ,which killed mostly the old and the weak.

Something very much like the 1918 Spanish Flu.

"The second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much deadlier than the first. The first wave had resembled typical flu epidemics; those most at risk were the sick and elderly, while younger, healthier people recovered easily.

By August, when the second wave began in France, Sierra Leone, and the United States, the virus had mutated to a much deadlier form. October 1918 was the deadliest month of the whole pandemic.

………………......….

The fact that most of those who recovered from first-wave infections had become immune showed that it must have been the same strain of flu. This was most dramatically illustrated in Copenhagen, which escaped with a combined mortality rate of just 0.29% (0.02% in the first wave and 0.27% in the second wave) because of exposure to the less-lethal first wave. For the rest of the population, the second wave was far more deadly; the most vulnerable people were those like the soldiers in the trenches – adults who were young and fit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

 

[Craigs]

I think the debate is going in circles. My last point - based on available evidence in tropical and sub-tropical countries - there is no need to panic as coronavirus is much less virulent then even flu.

 

[Sanatani]

Did I say medicines are not available for TB?

But you gave a lame excuse of Cholera developing antibiotic resistance to prove your statement that Cholera doesn't have medicines for it's treatment

 

[Sanatani]

Then why are you scared of coronavirus?

Because it's infectivity is very high ,so even if the virulence is low the overall number of deaths can be high .

 

[Chain smoker]

Then why are you scared of coronavirus?

If u were to get any disease which one would you select.
a) dengue
b) cholera
c) corona

Note: medicines are not available for all the 3 diseases above (according to u)

 

[Craigs]

If u were to get any disease which one would you select.
a) dengue
b) cholera
c) corona

Note: medicines are not available for all the 3 diseases above (according to u)

None of the above. I would not select any of them. If I contract it inevitably from somewhere then chances of surviving are much better in corona than dengue or cholera.

Plus if I survive corona then very high chance of developing immunity against it.

 

[Sanatani]

If u were to get any disease which one would you select.
a) dengue
b) cholera
c) corona

Note: medicines are not available for all the 3 diseases above (according to u)

Definitely he will say Corona .