Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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Why Italy? The factors behind a coronavirus disaster - Times of India



ROME: Why Italy? Loads of people have been wondering why the beautiful Mediterranean country has become the new epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic.
Experts list a range of reasons -- from Italy's relatively high age to its strained healthcare system to some old fashioned bad luck -- that add up to a disaster not seen in generations.

None of the answers alone explain why the nation of 60 million accounts for over a third of the nearly 11,500 deaths officially reported across the 7.7-billion strong world.
But other countries will want to examine each of these factors and address them through various preventive measures in their bids to avoid becoming the next Italy.
One of the first factors almost everyone who looks at the figures points to is Italians' average age.
It is high.
The median age of the overall population was 45.4 last year -- greater than anywhere else in Europe.
It is also seven years higher than the median age in China and slightly above that of South Korea.
Figures released Friday showed the age of Italians dying of COVID-19 averaging out at 78.5.
Almost 99 percent of them were also suffering from at least one pre-existing condition or ailment.
Italy's mortality rate among those infected with the virus is thus a relatively high 8.6 percent.
"COVID-19 fatalities are hitting older age groups hard," University of Oxford professor Jennifer Dowd noted on Twitter.
"Countries with older populations will need to take more aggressive protective measures to stay below the threshold of critical cases that outstrip health system capacities," Dowd said.
Yet Japan's median age of 47.3 makes it an even older nation than Italy -- and it has just 35 officially registered deaths.
So age is clearly not the only factor.
Some scientists think that it could really have been almost any other country after China.
"I think the question of 'Why Italy?' is the most important question and it has a simple answer: No reason at all," Yascha Mounk of Johns Hopkins University told Canada's CBC television.
"The only thing that makes Italy different is that the first couple of (locally-transmitted) cases arrived in Italy about 10 days before they arrived in Germany, the United States or Canada."
More than 4,000 people have died in Italy in the month since a 78-year-old builder from the Lombardy region of Milan became the first known European fatality of COVID-19.
European nations such as Spain and France are now following Italy's trajectory and could theoretically have as many deaths and infections in a few weeks.
"If other countries are not going to react in exactly the right way, they are going to become Italy," said Mounk.
The grim reality learned across Italy's devastated north is that diseases start spreading much faster once the healthcare system reaches its saturation point.
Doctors have to start making life and death decisions about whom they help first -- and why -- when they run out of equipment such as respirators and even beds.
"Sometimes you have to weigh the chances of success against the patient's condition," Brescia hospital's emergency unit head Paolo Terragnoli told AFP this week.
"We try to do our best for everyone, while doing an extra something for those who have better chances."
Old and frail patients who are turned away are extremely contagious and -- tragically but realistically -- fated to die.
One of the Italian government's gravest fears is that the virus will start spreading to Italy's much poorer and far less equipped south.
The world has suddenly realised that it does not have enough test kits to screen for COVID-19.
Nations such as Italy dealt with this problem by only testing those who already exhibited symptoms such as a fever and a dry cough.
South Korea had the kits and the means to conduct more than 10,000 tests a day.
Germany followed a similar model and its death rate began to drop once even the mild COVID-19 infections began being counted.


This partially explains both why Italy's mortality rate is so high and why COVID-19 was contained faster in some other countries.
Harvard University professor Michael Mina said that 100,000 tests per day "might be optimal" for a country such as the United States.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...coronavirus-disaster/articleshow/74752307.cms
Italy has intensive people to people contact with China through various commerce regimes between the two countries. This made it easy for China virus (SARS-COV-2) to infect Italy.
 

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A Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19 — Even in His Young Patients

https://www.propublica.org/article/...ilure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

Bloody scary and nightmarish.
That's a very scary article, indeed. Hope we have better immunity than Americans. Quarantine is best cure right now but we have Allah ke banday and some stupid Hindus too who can spread it exponentially.

I hope Indian docs give experimental anti virus drugs rather than waiting for organ failures.
 

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A virus undid the entire left's ecosystem of divisiveness among Hindus.
That's my society there. The sound was unbelievable.
You could feel the vibration in the air due to clanging of the dishes! IT FELT FESTIVE!
I will tell you why I'm so overjoyed by this display of banality.

Remember the 2016 Coup in Turkey?
Erdogan broadcasted a message asking the Turks to get on the streets and fight against it, and I did wonder, upon learning of that incident, if we Indians had the spine to do the same.

Too soon to say but, yes, I'm almost convinced. These people, united in banality and stupidity will happily unite in the face of danger. I wanted to live among such people.

People united in madness.

Trust me, Modi could broadcast a msg asking for the people to fight against the Jihadis in PoK as it is a "Dharmyuddha" and prod everyone to send their sons and at least a million (conservative estimates) would show up to fight for free and I don't even think it's predictable how many would show up who'd happily fight on the promise of land.

The population is priming itself for a method to their madness.

It's putting sensibility aside and entrusting the government with guidance.


Mind you, this society is full of uppper-middle class, well to do, educated families.
They realize the futility of this dish clanging well, but do it nonetheless to raise awareness and in the spirit of unity.

I'm so damn happy.
Reminds me of 3rd Reich :p
 

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Should have stopped all airports the very day there was first Corona case then this all could have been avoided.
Those people returning to India should have been kept in guarded quarantine but no nothing was done to its fullest.

There is still time put up a national lockdown in all states with severe cases of Corona ramp up priduction of Sanitiser, maks, testing kit, Temperature sensors.

This is no more just a disease its a bio war now no matter how mcuh people try to sugarcoat it.
 

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Nope this has nothing to do with virus , its telecom companies decided to strip off bot farms numbers which were used for paid likes in weibo accounts this was issued in january and the reduction in numbers is to do with that . Not related to wuhan bat shit virus deaths . Common million deaths in 2020 even with what ever fucking fat ass Xi firewall will steal leak around .

/pol/ does some digging and discovers the true death toll in China thanks to the detailed subscriber counts the mobile operators keep. Real numbers are between 7m and 14m people if you tally mobile accounts that just went away this year.

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A virus undid the entire left's ecosystem of divisiveness among Hindus.
That's my society there. The sound was unbelievable.
You could feel the vibration in the air due to clanging of the dishes! IT FELT FESTIVE!
I will tell you why I'm so overjoyed by this display of banality.

Remember the 2016 Coup in Turkey?
Erdogan broadcasted a message asking the Turks to get on the streets and fight against it, and I did wonder, upon learning of that incident, if we Indians had the spine to do the same.

Too soon to say but, yes, I'm almost convinced. These people, united in banality and stupidity will happily unite in the face of danger. I wanted to live among such people.

People united in madness.

Trust me, Modi could broadcast a msg asking for the people to fight against the Jihadis in PoK as it is a "Dharmyuddha" and prod everyone to send their sons and at least a million (conservative estimates) would show up to fight for free and I don't even think it's predictable how many would show up who'd happily fight on the promise of land.

The population is priming itself for a method to their madness.

It's putting sensibility aside and entrusting the government with guidance.


Mind you, this society is full of uppper-middle class, well to do, educated families.
They realize the futility of this dish clanging well, but do it nonetheless to raise awareness and in the spirit of unity.

I'm so damn happy.
Reminds me of 3rd Reich :p
Its Leadership at its finest.
:india::india2:
 

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Nope this has nothing to do with virus , its telecom companies decided to strip off bot farms numbers which were used for paid likes in weibo accounts this was issued in january and the reduction in numbers is to do with that . Not related to wuhan bat shit virus deaths . Common million deaths in 2020 even with what ever fucking fat ass Xi firewall will steal leak around .
why would china want to strip off the BOTS when china is battling another perception battle on "china virus" trying to make it an "Italian Virus!" trying to blame some other nation for the lax and ego of Xi
 

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Can we ever stop this virus from spreading like this ?

Those who will be able to develop immunity will survive. Others will need a asthma pump like medicine all the time to survive . What's your thought ?
 

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How does Italy have such a rapid increase even during national lockdown?
Are there methods of infection we don't know about.
 

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How does Italy have such a rapid increase even during national lockdown?
Are there methods of infection we don't know about.
Their hospital network is overwhelmed... and the less immune ones..basically the older people bear the brunt.

In Italy, more than 60 percent of the latest deaths occurred in the northern region of Lombardy, whose hospitals have been reeling under a staggering case load that has left intensive care beds hard to find and respirators in short supply.



Almost 287,000 cases have been confirmed globally, including more than 11,900 deaths, according to a running tally by Johns Hopkins University. Nearly 89,000 people have recovered.


For most people, the new virus causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia. The vast majority recover.

 

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Guys - a little urgent, trying to activate my MSME and designer friends to start producing masks and probably hazmat suits in India. Can anyone post recommended articles to produce them incl. the exact raw materials required. Please post official sources. I am doing my research as well but any help is appreciated, time is really critical right now.

N95 Mask is the priority item.
 

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