Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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Kshatriya87

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Actually, India is very rarely mentioned on Chinese news and almost no Chinese visit India even though China has the largest number of traveling tourists (by far!) So there is very little hostility towards India and to be honest culturally Indian things are well liked -- in fact before Covid, there were Indian films that topped China's box office!

My posts are simple replies to certain members in this thread only. They seem to delight in the Wion/Gravitas news that hope for more death and disruptions in China.

China is going through 100s of millions of infection on its way to herd immunity. It had 37M new infections in one day (compared to a high of 400K in India during delta!) So obviously there will be some hospitals under pressure and there will be deaths. But the fact is the impact is far less when considering the huge infection rates necessary to achieve herd immunity in the fastest time possible. And this is reported by people who actually live in China.




I think a lot of the Wion-crowd will be sorely dissapointed as we approach herd immunity in the coming weeks with little death and an economic boom resulting from no more Zero Covid rules :)
This is just for you

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Oh no China hospital full of bodies like India during delta!!! Indian dream comes true? :D

Yep 30sec video contains absolute truth.....

Everything else is propagandu ...........


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Chinese residents have turned to the black market for generic Covid-19 drugs, as an unprecedented pandemic outbreak ramps up demand for limited supplies of approved antivirals.

China approved two Covid-19 antivirals this year – Pfizer’s Paxlovid and Azvudine, an HIV drug from Chinese firm Genuine Biotech. But both are only available in certain hospitals.

Their limited supply and steep price have driven many Chinese to opt for cheaper but illegally imported generic drugs from India.

Topics like “anti-Covid Indian generic drugs sold at 1,000 yuan (US$144) per box” have been trending on Chinese social media platform Weibo, with users exchanging messages and tips on ways to get hold of the medicines.

Four kinds of generic anti-Covid drugs from India are being sold illegally in the Chinese market – under the brand names Primovir, Paxista, Molnunat and Molnatris.


While Paxlovid is priced at 2,980 yuan per box, a box of Indian-made drugs can be bought for 530 to 1,600 yuan, according to online portal Tencent News.

Primovir and Paxista are generic versions of Paxlovid, while Molnunat and Molnatris are generics for Merck’s molnupiravir.

However, the Indian generics have not been approved by the Chinese government and selling them is a punishable offence.



Queues for Covid-19 supplies at a pharmacy in Hangzhou, in China’s eastern Zhejiang province. Photo: AFP

Under China’s drug administration law, medicines marketed abroad but not approved in China are no longer identified as counterfeit, but those involved in their distribution still face administrative penalties for illegal imports without a licence.

Some e-commerce platforms have put the generics up for sale under euphemistic labels to bypass keyword censorship.

Public health experts and doctors in China have warned of the potential risks and urged people not to buy medicines from illegal channels, including unlicensed salespersons on messaging app WeChat.

This comes as surging Covid-19 infections across China spark an acute shortage of pain and fever medication, triggering panic buying at both pharmacies and online healthcare platforms.

“Marketing queries are coming to [Indian] drug makers asking for quotes on ibuprofen and paracetamol,” Sahil Munjal, chairman of the Pharmaceuticals Export Promotion Council of India (Pharmexcil), told Reuters last week.
India would step up production and export of fever medicines to China, he said.

China gave emergency approval to Paxlovid in February, but it is not clear how much has been imported since then or how widely hospitals are using the drug, which is currently covered by medical insurance.





Inside an overcrowded Beijing hospital struggling with Covid surge in China

Capital city Beijing is expected to start distributing Paxlovid and Azvudine to community hospitals, according to state media reports on Monday.

Several such hospitals confirmed to the Post that they had received an official notice for online training on administering the drugs, but stocks had yet to arrive.

Earlier this month, China relaxed the rules to allow retail sales of Paxlovid and also authorised internet healthcare service providers to offer consultations and prescribe drugs, as Covid-19 patients swamped hospitals and clinics.

Paxlovid stocks were sold out within an hour on the mobile app of 111. inc, one such healthcare platform, as people rushed to get a box for 2,980 yuan.

When word got out that a high-end private hospital in Beijing could prescribe Paxlovid, many rushed there to stockpile the drug for the elderly at home, even if the batches were very close to their expiration date.


Among them was Beijing resident May Shen, who said she paid around 3,800 yuan for one pack, including a consultation fee.

She wanted to have the medicine at hand for her father, who has terminal cancer.

“I know the drug needs to be taken under the guidance of doctors, but I am worried that if things get worse we won’t be able to get a hospital bed or see a doctor in time. It’s better to secure the drug now rather than regret it later,” Shen said.

“The drug will expire in February but I am OK with it.”
 

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Actually, India is very rarely mentioned on Chinese news and almost no Chinese visit India even though China has the largest number of traveling tourists (by far!) So there is very little hostility towards India and to be honest culturally Indian things are well liked -- in fact before Covid, there were Indian films that topped China's box office!

My posts are simple replies to certain members in this thread only. They seem to delight in the Wion/Gravitas news that hope for more death and disruptions in China.

China is going through 100s of millions of infection on its way to herd immunity. It had 37M new infections in one day (compared to a high of 400K in India during delta!) So obviously there will be some hospitals under pressure and there will be deaths. But the fact is the impact is far less when considering the huge infection rates necessary to achieve herd immunity in the fastest time possible. And this is reported by people who actually live in China.




I think a lot of the Wion-crowd will be sorely dissapointed as we approach herd immunity in the coming weeks with little death and an economic boom resulting from no more Zero Covid rules :)
Yep!!! the truth is with @SexyChineseLady and lecky of CCP

Every other thing is propagandu.


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The Chinese government has recommended the use of Lianhua Qingwen to treat Covid. Photo: Bloomberg

The Chinese government is stepping up the production and distribution of a traditional Chinese medicine known as Lianhua Qingwen as part of its efforts to contain a surge of Covid-19 cases.

Some provinces are distributing tens of thousands of boxes to residents and the medicine was officially recommended as a treatment by the government in the early stages of the pandemic.

But opinion is divided over its effectiveness as a treatment and regulators in some countries have warned against its use or even banned it.

Last week, a special task force approved the distribution of half a million boxes of the medicine along with a million rapid antigen test kits in the southwestern province of Yunnan.


“Why give us expensive Lianhua Qingwen? What we need is drugs that can lower the temperature, such as ibuprofen and paracetamol,” said one Weibo user.

“Why can Lianhua Qingwen be transported and distributed freely, while the usual fever drugs are not available or distributed?” asked another.
The Yunnan government said on Thursday there was an acute shortage of ibuprofen and paracetamol and the government was working to have them produced at “in full capacity”.

The drive prompted complaints among some residents who asked for modern medicines such as paracetamol, which is currently in short supply in China.

Some social media users argued that Lianhua Qingwen “works just fine” and defended the use of traditional medicine, but the call for modern medicines reflects a widespread belief that they can offer more immediate relief.

Dary Chen, a university student in Hangzhou, said he believed traditional Chinese medicine such as Lianhua Qingwen was slow to work locally, whereas modern drugs were effective in treating localised, targeted conditions.

“I can’t say that Lianhua Qingwen is ineffective, but for someone with a fever of 40 degrees [Celsius, 104 degrees Fahrenheit], the focus is on how to make me feel better at that moment, and nothing else matters,” Chen said.

The distribution of the product had already prompted protests back in April, when at least 8 million boxes were sent to Shanghai residents during the city’s prolonged lockdown. Residents complained about the staff needed to hand out the medicine at a time when many people were not receiving food supplies or face masks.

Lianhua Qingwen became a household name after it was included in a national Covid-19 guidelines in April 2020 as a recommended treatment for fever, coughs and fatigue in mild-to-moderate cases.

Earlier this year, it was included in the anti-epidemic kits distributed to every household in Hong Kong as the city battled its own surge in cases.

The drug is also included in the latest version of the mainland’s national Covid-19 treatment plan along with other traditional medicines and modern ones such as Pfizer’s Paxlovid antiviral pills.

According to its manufacturer Shijiazhuang Yiling Pharmaceutical, Lianhua Qingwen is based on a formula dating back to the Han dynasty (202BC-220AD). The modern treatment was developed in 2003 for severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars).

The distribution of Lianhua Qingwen to healthy people has prompted doctors around the country to warn that it will not stop people becoming infected.

Liu Qingquan, president of Beijing Hospital of Traditional Chinese Medicine, said earlier this month that, under the theory of the “same treatment for different diseases”, many more options could be used for Covid-19.

“The choice of drugs is actually very broad, and all of these drugs can treat infection with the Omicron variant,” Liu said.

A World Health Organization panel said in February that Chinese medicine could help reduce the risk from Covid-19, especially in avoiding serious cases, but further analysis and trials would be conducted.

However, some countries have warned against using Lianhua Qingwen. In the United States, the Food and Drug Administration has warned against its use, saying it has not been approved or authorised. In Australia it has been banned outright because it contains ephedra, which can be used to make methamphetamine.

Last year, Singapore’s Health Sciences Authority warned that although it was approved to treat cold and flu, it had not been approved for Covid-19, and threatened to punish sellers who made false claims about its benefits.

In April this year, the authority said it was conducting a study on its effect on adults with mild Covid symptoms, the results of which were expected by the end of the year.
 

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Answer:
Obviously the Indian assumption that covid has wrecked much havoc in China is wrong ;)

Especially since we know that a bad covid emergency like Delta in India should have collapsed China's space industry to just 2 launches like India's:
Chairman of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) K Sivan has acknowledged there is a feeling that very little happened in ISRO in 2021 with the last few months being a lull due to the impact of the coronavirus.



How can Chinese vaccines "fail spectacularly" when there is not enough deaths and disruption to affect China's space program like it did in India? :D

Indians hoping for havoc and vaccine failure in China doesn't mean it is happening in China ;)

Yep CCP is supreme and its lecky @SexyChineseLady is real servant to his masters.

Everybody else is a minion and dont count and are jealous with Middle Kingdom.



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Worried China nationals in Singapore are queuing to send flu medicines back home to relatives caught in a surging Covid-19 outbreak and reports of drug shortages.
When CNA visited a shopping area near Chinatown on Wednesday morning, a queue of more than 20 people had formed in front of Shun Xing Express, a company specialising in courier services to China.
An employee said that since Tuesday, Shun Xing had to limit the number of customers sending medical supplies to China to 50 a day. Customers sending non-medical supplies are not subject to this cap.
This was after “too many” people came to send medication on Monday, forming a queue that extended all the way to the bus stop, said the employee, who asked not to be named as he was not authorised to speak to media.

China eased nationwide Covid-19 restrictions on December 7, scrapping the need for frequent mass testing, and introducing home quarantine for some patients as well as shorter and more precise lockdowns.

China’s top health body has said the true scale of Covid-19 infections in the country is now “impossible” to track, with officials warning cases were rising rapidly in Beijing after the government abandoned its zero-Covid policy.

Family requested medicine

At 10:30am, there was already a sign outside Shun Xing saying that all 50 places for the day had been claimed, and asking customers not to join the queue without a number.

Another sign dated December 19 listed 17 provinces and municipalities experiencing delivery delays due to the pandemic, including Beijing, Shandong and Jiangsu.

Shun Xing has also put a limit of eight boxes of the painkiller Panadol or the traditional Chinese medicine Lianhua Qingwen to be couriered to one address.

It costs S$10 (US$7.40) to courier a package containing eight boxes of those medicines. Other medicines, such as cough syrup, are charged by weight.

People in the queue were originally from provinces across China, and told CNA they were sending the medicines after family members asked them to do so.

One man, who only wanted to be known as Mr Wu, was sending Panadol and Lianhua Qingwen to four addresses of relatives in Guangdong. He started queuing at 8:20am, and was still in the queue at 11am.

A man who identified himself as Mr Zhen was sending two boxes of Panadol and five boxes of Lianhua Qingwen to his parents-in-law in Zhejiang. He said some older relatives were sick and did not have any medicine.

Another man said he bought eight boxes of Panadol as well as ibuprofen and children’s cough and fever medicine for his relatives in Chongqing.

Extraordinary times

Inside the shopping area, another queue was forming at a still-closed unit occupied by Anjie International Express.

A woman from Jiangsu, who only wanted to be known as Ms Lu, joined the line after failing to secure a number at Shun Xing despite arriving at 8am.

Ms Lu intended to send vitamins and children’s fever medicine to her relatives, adding that she was focusing on remedies for the kids.

She said it had become almost impossible to find children’s fever medicine in China, and that she had heard rumours of exorbitant prices as high as 1,000 yuan (US$143) for two boxes.

Another woman from Shanghai, who did not want to be named, was shopping at one pharmacy in the area, after making enquiries at Shun Xing and other couriers in the building.

She was considering sending medicine to her relatives in these “extraordinary times”, but was worried her packages would be confiscated at Chinese customs.

The woman teared up while recounting that some of her elderly family members in China, who were unvaccinated and in their 80s and 90s, had recently recovered from Covid-19.

Two Watsons outlets in the area were out of Panadol – except for the menstrual as well as muscle and joint varieties – when CNA checked on Wednesday afternoon.

Staff at the two shops said they had observed many Chinese people buying Panadol in recent days. Both outlets have not put in place any purchasing limits.

An employee at one pharmacy said that when new stock of Panadol arrived on Tuesday, it sold out within half an hour.

Nurofen, a brand name for ibuprofen, also sold out, she said.

But at the Essentials Pharmacy in a nearby shopping centre, several boxes of Panadol were still on the shelves, though a staff member said stock was also running low.

This article was first published on CNA.
 

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Question: Why Covid is wreaking havoc in China?

Answer:
1. We launched 58 rockets in this year.
2. We are ahead of you since we take head start in 1980 with great CCP.
3. We are launching EV across everywhere
4. We will launch 50 CCP members to moon now.
5. We have some DJ party in some stadiums
6. We will conquer Taiwan next evening
7. We will buy brides from Pakistan.

Correct Answer:
1. Why Vaccines failed spectacularly?
2. Why there is no sign of herd immunity till now?

Till now this thread is Merry Go round with above answers.
Its true. China launched 63 rockets this year. Coz the funeral homes are overloaded and they don't know what to do with the bodies. So China decided to launch the bodies in orbit as satellites.
 

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Actually, India is very rarely mentioned on Chinese news and almost no Chinese visit India even though China has the largest number of traveling tourists (by far!) So there is very little hostility towards India and to be honest culturally Indian things are well liked -- in fact before Covid, there were Indian films that topped China's box office!

My posts are simple replies to certain members in this thread only. They seem to delight in the Wion/Gravitas news that hope for more death and disruptions in China.

China is going through 100s of millions of infection on its way to herd immunity. It had 37M new infections in one day (compared to a high of 400K in India during delta!) So obviously there will be some hospitals under pressure and there will be deaths. But the fact is the impact is far less when considering the huge infection rates necessary to achieve herd immunity in the fastest time possible. And this is reported by people who actually live in China.
True, in an Ad-revenue depleted media world, news outlets like WION in India and Global Times in China seem to have made Hate-For-Profit their source of survival and.Hopefully citizens of both nations will realize evil design of news outlets soon. I want to assure you India has lot of news outlets other than Wion, mostly in our regional languages and they focus more on local politics than on Chinese affairs. So request you and other forum members to be not influenced by Wions of India and stay away from negativity in comments.

By the way, i think gaining herd immunity is good, but NOT at this rate! The whole point of herd immunity is about 60 to 70% of population gets infected and then from then on other elderly people can be saved due to breaking the chain. But if China gets infected at this rate, then everyone would get infected atleast once! don't you think so? and unfortunately for the vulnerable elderly that one time is equivalent to death.I was really impressed with how China used the tracking apps to maintain zero covid..Not only India but Western nations can also learn from it. But sadly why did China throw away all that advantage into drain in just couple of weeks? Its just so painful and i wish China has planned its exit also better...slowly exit the zero covid in 2-3 months, not by scrapping such a useful tracking app and DEFINITELY NOT in winter months. I humbly suggest my Chinese brothers and sisters to make use of Indian medicine if there are any shortages.Indian pharma may not the best out there in the world, but this is the time when you don't keep waiting for the best, but more quantity of medicine and sheer volume can bring down loss of life. I am sure many Indian NGO will be glad to help their neigbour in need. I wish and pray this phase passes soon and we also get some Chinese tourists! Mind you we still teach kids in our textbooks about the Chinese tourist Fa-Hien. Most of the places Chinese tourist will be flocking are commercial and lack the charm of old world. Try Kashmir, Andaman&Nicobar and our north east for tourism, you won't regret!
 

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True, in an Ad-revenue depleted media world, news outlets like WION in India and Global Times in China seem to have made Hate-For-Profit their source of survival and.Hopefully citizens of both nations will realize evil design of news outlets soon. I want to assure you India has lot of news outlets other than Wion, mostly in our regional languages and they focus more on local politics than on Chinese affairs. So request you and other forum members to be not influenced by Wions of India and stay away from negativity in comments.

By the way, i think gaining herd immunity is good, but NOT at this rate! The whole point of herd immunity is about 60 to 70% of population gets infected and then from then on other elderly people can be saved due to breaking the chain. But if China gets infected at this rate, then everyone would get infected atleast once! don't you think so? and unfortunately for the vulnerable elderly that one time is equivalent to death.I was really impressed with how China used the tracking apps to maintain zero covid..Not only India but Western nations can also learn from it. But sadly why did China throw away all that advantage into drain in just couple of weeks? Its just so painful and i wish China has planned its exit also better...slowly exit the zero covid in 2-3 months, not by scrapping such a useful tracking app and DEFINITELY NOT in winter months. I humbly suggest my Chinese brothers and sisters to make use of Indian medicine if there are any shortages.Indian pharma may not the best out there in the world, but this is the time when you don't keep waiting for the best, but more quantity of medicine and sheer volume can bring down loss of life. I am sure many Indian NGO will be glad to help their neigbour in need. I wish and pray this phase passes soon and we also get some Chinese tourists! Mind you we still teach kids in our textbooks about the Chinese tourist Fa-Hien. Most of the places Chinese tourist will be flocking are commercial and lack the charm of old world. Try Kashmir, Andaman&Nicobar and our north east for tourism, you won't regret!
tU kOuN bHaI ????
 

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True, in an Ad-revenue depleted media world, news outlets like WION in India and Global Times in China seem to have made Hate-For-Profit their source of survival and.Hopefully citizens of both nations will realize evil design of news outlets soon. I want to assure you India has lot of news outlets other than Wion, mostly in our regional languages and they focus more on local politics than on Chinese affairs. So request you and other forum members to be not influenced by Wions of India and stay away from negativity in comments.

By the way, i think gaining herd immunity is good, but NOT at this rate! The whole point of herd immunity is about 60 to 70% of population gets infected and then from then on other elderly people can be saved due to breaking the chain. But if China gets infected at this rate, then everyone would get infected atleast once! don't you think so? and unfortunately for the vulnerable elderly that one time is equivalent to death.I was really impressed with how China used the tracking apps to maintain zero covid..Not only India but Western nations can also learn from it. But sadly why did China throw away all that advantage into drain in just couple of weeks? Its just so painful and i wish China has planned its exit also better...slowly exit the zero covid in 2-3 months, not by scrapping such a useful tracking app and DEFINITELY NOT in winter months. I humbly suggest my Chinese brothers and sisters to make use of Indian medicine if there are any shortages.Indian pharma may not the best out there in the world, but this is the time when you don't keep waiting for the best, but more quantity of medicine and sheer volume can bring down loss of life. I am sure many Indian NGO will be glad to help their neigbour in need. I wish and pray this phase passes soon and we also get some Chinese tourists! Mind you we still teach kids in our textbooks about the Chinese tourist Fa-Hien. Most of the places Chinese tourist will be flocking are commercial and lack the charm of old world. Try Kashmir, Andaman&Nicobar and our north east for tourism, you won't regret!
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True, in an Ad-revenue depleted media world, news outlets like WION in India and Global Times in China seem to have made Hate-For-Profit their source of survival and.Hopefully citizens of both nations will realize evil design of news outlets soon. I want to assure you India has lot of news outlets other than Wion, mostly in our regional languages and they focus more on local politics than on Chinese affairs. So request you and other forum members to be not influenced by Wions of India and stay away from negativity in comments.

By the way, i think gaining herd immunity is good, but NOT at this rate! The whole point of herd immunity is about 60 to 70% of population gets infected and then from then on other elderly people can be saved due to breaking the chain. But if China gets infected at this rate, then everyone would get infected atleast once! don't you think so? and unfortunately for the vulnerable elderly that one time is equivalent to death.I was really impressed with how China used the tracking apps to maintain zero covid..Not only India but Western nations can also learn from it. But sadly why did China throw away all that advantage into drain in just couple of weeks? Its just so painful and i wish China has planned its exit also better...slowly exit the zero covid in 2-3 months, not by scrapping such a useful tracking app and DEFINITELY NOT in winter months. I humbly suggest my Chinese brothers and sisters to make use of Indian medicine if there are any shortages.Indian pharma may not the best out there in the world, but this is the time when you don't keep waiting for the best, but more quantity of medicine and sheer volume can bring down loss of life. I am sure many Indian NGO will be glad to help their neigbour in need. I wish and pray this phase passes soon and we also get some Chinese tourists! Mind you we still teach kids in our textbooks about the Chinese tourist Fa-Hien. Most of the places Chinese tourist will be flocking are commercial and lack the charm of old world. Try Kashmir, Andaman&Nicobar and our north east for tourism, you won't regret!
We don't want tourists who shit in flights and at airports.
 

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Juta hai Japani,Sar pe topi Rusi..phir bhee Dil hai Hindustani :) Sir jee Chinkee logo ko sanubhuti se aur dilse jitnedo
tumne porkies ke sath aman ka tamasha karne walo jaise "we are shame to shame" bol diya wion ko hate spread karne wala bolke..
ab BatSoup peene wale 50cent Wumao maggots se GLobal times ke liye bulwa ke dikhao.
 

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tumne porkies ke sath aman ka tamasha karne walo jaise "we are shame to shame" bol diya wion ko hate spread karne wala bolke..
ab BatSoup peene wale 50cent Wumao maggots se GLobal times ke liye bulwa ke dikhao.
IMHO, Hume Wion ki taraf se vakalta leni ki jaroorat nahi...maine GT ko bhi nahee chodaa. Frankly no regional channels spew that much venom of hate as Wion and NewsX.
 

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