Wuhan Coronavirus Thread

Is coronavirus a biological warfare agent released by China?

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SKC

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Had a candid discussion with a North American ex-colleague of mine. His inlaws are resolute anti-vaxxers, but only for COVID. They seem to have taken many other vaccines without any issues. But not for making a political statement, but because they dont trust the Moderna/Pfizer shots due to their mRNA mechanism. They firmly believe both have got something to do with altering (atleast temporarily) a person's DNA. They and many like them called these big pharma vaccines as "poison". J&J didnt fly and seems to be mostly a stillborn.
Enter COVAXIN and its enormous potential in such a market. Even for boosters for people who already had 1 round of mRNA but now dont trust them due to breakthroughs. No wonder WHO is blocking it. Aap chronology samjhiye.
Sinopharm is also a similar option, but count on the current batch of anti vaxxers to trust them even less than mRNA.
Complete western Healthcare ecosystem is worried of success of Covaxin and hence the fierce opposition.

They don't want a third world country to trump over their image.

Similar views from many Americans. had discussion with few US clients, they majorly believes that Covaxin the best vaccine that the western hemisphere cant have.
 

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Imagine a country that can keep a covid surge in secret for months.. thats china for u ..


TOKYO -- Purchases of PCR tests in China's Hubei Province surged months before the first official reports of a novel coronavirus case there, according to a report from researchers in the U.S., the U.K. and Australia.

About 67.4 million yuan ($10.5 million at current rates) was spent on PCR tests in Hubei during 2019, nearly double the 2018 total, with the upswing starting in May. The report, released by a research team that includes former intelligence officers, is based on records from a website aggregating information on bids for public sector procurement contracts.

The report casts further doubt on China's official line about the origins of the virus, a topic that has fueled tensions between Beijing and Washington.

PCR, or polymerase chain reaction, tests are used to detect the presence of a particular genetic sequence in a sample, and they have applications beyond COVID-19 testing. But the report alleges the unusual uptick likely signals awareness of a new disease spreading in the area in and around Wuhan, the capital of Hubei Province.

Orders doubled from universities, jumped fivefold from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention and surged tenfold from animal testing bureaus. Purchases from hospitals declined by more than 10%.

Monthly procurement data shows a spike in orders in May, especially from CDC buyers and the People's Liberation Army.

"We believe the increased spending in May suggests this as the earliest start date for possible infection," the report said.

Purchases rose sharply from July through October as well, in particular from the Wuhan University of Science and Technology. The institution spent 8.92 million yuan on PCR tests in 2019, about eight times its total for the previous year.

The university, along with local hospitals and public health authorities, plays a direct role in responding to outbreaks of new diseases, according to the report.

The involvement of these groups provides evidence that "the increase of purchasing was most likely linked to the emergence of COVID-19 in Hubei Province in 2019," the report said. "We assess with high confidence that the pandemic began much earlier than China informed the [World Health Organization] about COVID-19."

The U.S. and China have butted heads over the issue since the early days of the pandemic. Beijing told the WHO that the first symptomatic case was recorded Dec. 8, 2019. But some in the U.S. allege that the virus was circulating in humans before then, with claims that it leaked from a research laboratory.

"We can't say for sure with just" the public procurement information, said Akira Igata, a visiting professor at Tama Graduate School of Business in Tokyo who examined that data independently, "but it's strong information for making the case that there was awareness of a virus outbreak around Wuhan several months to half a year before that December."

"This report could provide an opportunity for countries to press China for information again," Igata said.

Satellite images from Wuhan hospital parking lots show a sharp increase in activity starting in August 2019, according to a study last year by researchers from Harvard and other institutions. But a report in August by U.S. intelligence agencies found no confirmation as to whether the disease spilled over from an animal host or leaked from a lab.

"There has been no sharing of usable data from China regarding how and when COVID-19 started," said David Robinson, one of the authors of the latest report. "Zero transparency has fueled a lot of hypothesis, theory, misinformation as well as heartache for the victims."

"Internet 2.0 has used our skills to try and provide some reliable data for the world coming to terms with the impacts of this pandemic," he added, referring to the cybersecurity company that published the report.


How come agencies like CIA dint knw abt this ..
Lot of weird things were hapeening in China during second half of 2019.

Many soldiers who took part in Militery Games in China in Aug-Sep 2019 in Hubei province came back with strong Flu. It is being believed that the Covid was not that strong during that time and caused heavy Flu symptoms.
But it evolved rapidly in 2-3 months and turned deadly and even Chinese could not understand it fully.

All due to the Bio lab being funded in China by Faucci's team! He should be hanged for this.
 

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Lot of weird things were hapeening in China during second half of 2019.

Many soldiers who took part in Militery Games in China in Aug-Sep 2019 in Hubei province came back with strong Flu. It is being believed that the Covid was not that strong during that time and caused heavy Flu symptoms.
But it evolved rapidly in 2-3 months and turned deadly and even Chinese could not understand it fully.

All due to the Bio lab being funded in China by Faucci's team! He should be hanged for this.
Fauci should be rewarded for breaking the global strategic stalemate.

if not for fauci, Indian and murican (global for that matter) establishment babus would still be shying away from taking china’s name.

Chinese have themselves to blame, they behaved predictably.
 

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Fauci should be rewarded for breaking the global strategic stalemate.

if not for fauci, Indian and murican (global for that matter) establishment babus would still be shying away from taking china’s name.

Chinese have themselves to blame, they behaved predictably.
As much as we want to believe, nothing happened to image of China globally. Rather they filled pockets of everyone.
Nowhere they are exposed and getting punished.
Facci did nothing for us, it is our own people who managed to trump over the situation which came as a big shock to Western Hegemony.
 

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As much as we want to believe, nothing happened to image of China globally. Rather they filled pockets of everyone.
Nowhere they are exposed and getting punished.
Facci did nothing for us, it is our own people who managed to trump over the situation which came as a big shock to Western Hegemony.
butterfly effect
 

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As much as we want to believe, nothing happened to image of China globally. Rather they filled pockets of everyone.
Nowhere they are exposed and getting punished.
Facci did nothing for us, it is our own people who managed to trump over the situation which came as a big shock to Western Hegemony.
As long as China continues to be the darling of wall street, and by managing the right set of people in the US establishment (with the highest position amenable to them, what else remains ,lol), there would never be a dent to China's image , no matter what they do.

Let me say it again :
China can indulge in ungodly levels of debauchery, moral corruption, subversion, genocide to further the CCP's goals, and there is literally nothing the world can do. They can, and will get away with doing anything they please for the foreseeable future.

Only immense financial heft our own will help us stand our ground in some way, but with the .5 front active in India actively doing china's bidding, we too are probably screwed forever.
 

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As long as China continues to be the darling of wall street, and by managing the right set of people in the US establishment (with the highest position amenable to them, what else remains ,lol), there would never be a dent to China's image , no matter what they do.

Let me say it again :
China can indulge in ungodly levels of debauchery, moral corruption, subversion, genocide to further the CCP's goals, and there is literally nothing the world can do. They can, and will get away with doing anything they please for the foreseeable future.

Only immense financial heft our own will help us stand our ground in some way, but with the .5 front active in India actively doing china's bidding, we too are probably screwed forever.
is there any country where .5 front is not active?
level of intensity might wary, but a .5 front will be active in all countries that matter.
 

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is there any country where .5 front is not active?
level of intensity might wary, but a .5 front will be active in all countries that matter.
There might be a domestic front for countries to contend with, but not sure if any of the "other" countries' internal rabble-rousers have destruction and splintering of their nation at any cost as a primary objective. We are unfortunately saddled with them since our historical times.
 

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There might be a domestic front for countries to contend with, but not sure if any of the "other" countries' internal rabble-rousers have destruction and splintering of their nation at any cost as a primary objective. We are unfortunately saddled with them since our historical times.
would have been nice if there was an academic study on this, focusing on .5 fronts in other countries.
 

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Report: India has delayed committing supplies of vaccine to the WHO backed COVAX global sharing platform, a day after the WHO, said they can not "cut corners" to approve India's Covaxin. 😄

Just after this -

Had a detailed interaction with DG WHO @DrTedros, accompanied by other senior officials of @WHO, on various issues related to health, including pandemic management and WHO reforms.

DG WHO lauded the mammoth efforts undertaken by the Indian government for #COVID19 vaccination.

 

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Seems like Sputnik vaccine is all fakery
I won't be that harsh. Russia has seen a lot less vaccinations. Especially for a country that has developed and manufactures vaccines. Capacity constraints ( two dossess have two different vectors, aren't helping either) or Russian orthodox Church playing spoilsport is not known to me.
 

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India’s Cumulative COVID-19 Vaccination Coverage exceeds 99.12 Cr

With the administration of 41,36,142 vaccine doses in the last 24 hours, India’s COVID-19 vaccination coverage has exceeded 99.12 Cr (99,12,82,283) as per provisional reports till 7 am today. This has been achieved through 97,99,506 sessions.


The break-up of the cumulative figureas per the provisional report till 7 am today include:






HCWs

1st Dose

1,03,76,101

2nd Dose

90,98,715



FLWs

1st Dose

1,83,62,683

2nd Dose

1,55,81,720



Age Group 18-44 years

1st Dose

39,73,05,720

2nd Dose

11,57,29,771



Age Group 45-59 years

1st Dose

16,88,22,731

2nd Dose

8,76,73,217



Over 60 years

1st Dose

10,62,77,396

2nd Dose

6,20,54,229

Total

99,12,82,283




The recovery of 19,446 patients in the last 24 hours has increased the cumulative tally of recovered patients (since the beginning of the pandemic) to 3,34,78,247.


Consequently, India’s recovery rate stands at 98.15%. Recovery Rate is currently at its highest peak since March 2020.





Sustained and collaborative efforts by the Centre and the States/UTs continue the trend of less than 50,000 Daily New Cases that is being reported for 115 consecutive days now.


14,623 new cases were reported in the last 24 hours.





The Active Caseload has fallen below 2 lakh mark and is presently at 1,78,098, which is now lowest in 229 days. Active cases presently constitute 0.52% of the country's total Positive Cases.





The testing capacity across the country continues to be expanded. The last 24 hours saw a total of


13,23,702 tests being conducted. India has so far conducted over 59.44 Cr (59,44,29,890) cumulative tests.


While testing capacity has been enhanced across the country, Weekly Positivity Rate at 1.34% remains less than 3% for the last 117 days now. The Daily Positivity rate reported to be1.10%. The daily Positivity rate has remained below 3% for last 51 days and below 5% for 134 consecutive days now.






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Gotta be careful..when india is celebrating the 100 crore vaccination mark that china may unleash new potent variant to defame India and the effort of GoI.
 

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October will send soon. Chinese Health Organisation shows no sign of approving COVAXIN yet. Eff them. We could simply announce that its available anyway to the highest bidder.. at their own risk and Indian studies etc, heck, but capacity constraints still seem to be there, so we cant go around throwing our weight.
 

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‘More contagious’ mutant scaring UK found in India too | Mumbai News - Times of India

AY.4.2 is suspected to be the cause for the exponential rise in Covid-19 cases in the United Kingdom, Russia (a lockdown will start in Moscow next week) and Israel last week. However, scientists say the AY.4.2-related findings still carry a high level of uncertainty, and it is still early to say that this lineage carries higher risk of severe illness and/or death.

 

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