Worrisome rise of Chinese nationalism

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History is what allows one to understand a nation, its people and its psychology.

It changes with time, but it does not change drastically. The basic essence, ethos continues.

Let us look at the Han culture.

The Hans were basically from North of the Yellow River.

Then came the Spring and Autumn period ((春秋時代). The Hundred Schools of Thought (諸子百家/诸子百家) of Chinese philosophy blossomed (Remember Mao and his let a Hundred Flower Bloom? History repeats).
Or god, It is first time I find someone regard the hundred schools of thought as the hundred flower bloom. You are realy genius! It is like saying French revolution=chinese cultrural revolution.



You will recall Emperor Wu (Han Wudi 漢武帝/汉武帝) consolidated and extended the Chinese empire by pushing back the Xiongnu (sometimes identified with the Huns) into the steppes of modern Inner Mongolia, wresting from them the modern areas of Gansu, Ningxia and Qinghai. (What is happening now? Indian territory is being called 'South Tibet'. History repeats!).

Checked how the Hand culture was spread to the non Hans South of the Yellow River and the Yis (barbarians, cooked and uncooked) were made into Hans? (History repeats itself - Tibet and Xinjiang is being applied the same treatment).

Look, I could go on.
Well you don't need to go on. For the one who can't tell the difference between Emperor Wu's war and Qing's invasion of Xinjiang/Tibet, I must say: your self-confidence realy impress me.



It is true I should read the Communist Chinese literature and be indoctrinated. I do read. I read Mao and his guerilla tactics. A genius!

I also read about the Cultural Revolution and how he so cleverly eliminated his opponents.
Did I suggest you to read communist chinese literature? Since when communist chinese literature became popular among chinese internet forums? See, if it was a chinese, he will first ask what is the difference between communist chinese literature and history concept online, before he jump into the conclusion.

So, why don't you do some rearch before you make any further chinese history lecture. Or maybe you can make some india history lecture, I believe you are expert in that part.
 

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There is no point arguing about the merits of democracy with the Chinese.

The Chinese have always operated on the argument that the "end justifies the means". I think some Indian DFI members here think that the reason the Chinese support the one-party CCP rule is because they are "brainwashed".
I think this misconception by many Indians is due to their lack of contact with Chinese, and a lack of understanding of the Chinese mentality.

This is really NOT a case of being brainwashed - the Chinese are culturally more predisposed to be willing to make huge human, social, and, environmental sacrifices to accomplish what they want. Its part of the "Chinese mental make-up".

The current older generation of Chinese people really value only wealth and power and respect on a personal level. They are not a particularly spiritually inclined civilization by any stretch. Maybe some Confucianist values, which also got watered down by the Communists. In that sense, they are very different from Indians.

Since the Chinese have adopted a capitalist financial system, there is nothing stopping individual Chinese entrepreneurs from attaining huge wealth if they are successful. To most Chinese, sacrificing some basic freedoms for a authoritarian peaceful society is a bargain that they can live with quite happily.

That's not to say that the next generation of young Chinese will be willing to accept those trade-offs so easily.

The danger that China poses to its neighbours all over Asia is this:

1) They dont have any spiritually inspired moral conscience. In a sense - rabid nationalism replaces religion or spiritual life for most Chinese. Its a poor substitute !!

2) They are rapidly expanding their military.

3) The male to female ratio is increasing rapidly, and there are going to be millions of unmarried frustrated young male Chinese.

4) The mentality of the "the end justifies the means" makes them especially dangerous.
If they see a weak chink in your armour, they will take advantage of it, and humanitarian, moral, social, ethical considerations do not come into the equation.
In that sense, they are quite different from the Western democratic model, because democractic societies have to answer to their own people and the media. In democracies the people police the government. Socialist models like China have no such safety mechanism.....they just have to hope that their leaders are extremely wise, tempered individuals.

Finally, on a more positive note the Chinese are a very pragmatic people, and that may indeed be what holds their rabid nationalistic ambitions in check.
 

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you are saying right becoz china providing nuclear technology to pak and helping it.
First, the question whether China has provided nuclear technology to Pak or not is still undetermined, before that, don't make any irresponsible comment like that, which only makes you very unprofessional, i was told you are very professional.

Second, what is the problem that China helps Pak? Because Pak is the enemy of you, then we should please you by treating Pak as an enemy of us? How arrogant you are! You are in no position to tell China what she should do.
 

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Masterofsea.....let me refresh that Thomas Jefferson famous saying for you in a Chinese context.

The "Tree of Prosperity and shiny tall glass building in China's major cities" must be refreshed with the blood of migrant farm workers who move to city and work themselves to death but cannot even officially qualify for residence in those cities.

Imagine that - A Chinese citizen who is peasant cannot even move to the city and live there without special permission. What a lovely county...eh !!

The major cities are only reserved for the educated wealthy rich elite. A poor Chinese peasant is only allowed in the Big cities to work like a slave in the many construction sites or menial factory jobs.....but they have no rights of residence like other city residents.
The Stars and Stripes indicates you are an American citizen.

How about this one?
Tree of Prosperity and luxury life in USA must be refreshed with the blood of the innocent people in Afghanistan who had nothing to do with the "911" and the innocent people in Iraq who did not possess and produce chemical weapons.
What a great democracy! We need more democracies like this, so that our world will be more peaceful.
 

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I guess you will understand if you had a 9/11 of your own. Fortunately your opposition are not terrorists.
 

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I guess you will understand if you had a 9/11 of your own. Fortunately your opposition are not terrorists.
They have Tibet and Xinjiang. It is to the Chinese equally sensational and traumatic. It has shaken their confidence of believing they have control over the minds of all those in what is called China. True, these are not terrorists, but those who do not wish their culture, language and identity trampled over as they did with those who they termed as barbarians and Hanised them.


China is hell bent in Hanising Tibetans and Uighurs and they are resisting, much to China's chagrin.
 

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But Sir,
The Tibetans and Uighurs are not like the Taliban and Al Qaeda. If they were, then China would have been bleeding profusely.
 

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yusufji cant say the Youth of Tibet can renounce the Non violent path just as many of our own freedom fighters like the famous Bal Pal Lal trio and as for the east Turk men if they want they can start collaborating with AQ and set the Northern Frontiers of China alight it is Just a matter of time
 

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Or god, It is first time I find someone regard the hundred schools of thought as the hundred flower bloom. You are realy genius! It is like saying French revolution=chinese cultrural revolution.
It is universally acknowledged that the Chinese Govt is masters at obfuscation and deflection and sidestepping from the real issue. Apparently, the affliction is more universal than that.

No, the French Revolution does not = Chinese revolution. Ethnically, the people are not similar nor are their philosophies. Therefore, you are making a mistake and your analogy is the ideal example of the fallacy of the undistributed middle.

The issue is The Hundred Schools of Thought and Mao’s Let a Hundred Flower Bloom. My comment was on the PSYCHOLOGY of the ethnic group! In both cases, issues are presented as Hundred of this or that! In other words, NOTHING IS SAID STRAIGHT. Hard truths (as perceived by the ruler/ dictator) and which may not be palatable is made pliable by sugar-coats of poetic gibberish with the fond delusion that it has been made into a heavenly edict!

The Hundred Schools of Thought which worked out the principles of governance helped the rise of the Qin dynasty and the subsequent purge of dissent.

As far as Mao’s Hundred Flower Movement, from 1956 to 1957 during which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) encouraged a variety of views and solutions to national policy issues, launched under the slogan: "Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting progress in the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture in our land."

The first part of the phrase is often mistranslated and remembered in the west as "let a thousand flowers bloom" and used to refer to alleged deliberate attempts to flush out dissidents by encouraging them to show themselves as critical of the regime, before wiping them out.

Well you don't need to go on. For the one who can't tell the difference between Emperor Wu's war and Qing's invasion of Xinjiang/Tibet, I must say: your self-confidence realy impress me.
Again, you are being cleverer by half.

It is not Emperor Wu and Qing Dynasty's expansion.

It is just to emphasise and underline the Chinese penchant for imperialism, expansionism and bloodlust to achieve their insatiable desire to be gobble up whatever their imagination directs them as 'true'. Sadly, even if they are mere hallucinations!



Did I suggest you to read communist chinese literature? Since when communist chinese literature became popular among chinese internet forums? See, if it was a chinese, he will first ask what is the difference between communist chinese literature and history concept online, before he jump into the conclusion.

So, why don't you do some rearch before you make any further chinese history lecture. Or maybe you can make some india history lecture, I believe you are expert in that part.
No, you did not ask me to read Communist literature.

But then when did the Chinese ever say anything upfront? You said the Chinese professor (your own Red Chinese professor) is talking through his hat and one should take it with a pinch of salt, again by inference!

It is not only Chinese history online, but in India we do read things beyond online. Even online one reads Google books on line by reputed scholars and scholars are not purely a Chinese commodity, or is it?

I enjoyed your 'Oh God' at the beginning of your post. It is good to know that the Americans have successfully lured you from you decadent socialism and thrown the carrot of capitalism and materialism and also forced you to think of religion and God.

God Bless America!
 

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But Sir,
The Tibetans and Uighurs are not like the Taliban and Al Qaeda. If they were, then China would have been bleeding profusely.
There was a meeting in Bangalore of the Indian, Russian and Chinese to talk about Afghanistan and the AQ and terrorist threat.

The Chinese by mindset like everything as per orders (Theory of Legalism, Confucianism etc ). They cannot understand or accept disorder something like the Nazi Germans.

AQ has already put them on warning.

And there is a Uighur population in Pakistan that is just raring to go. Already they have killed quite a few Chinese working there on Pak projects.

The Uighurs are on the move and it is dangerous for the Chinese.

The Uighurs are not Tibetans who are pacifists.

If the Chinese do to much to the Uighurs, the Moslem world will revolt against them!

The Chinese are in a bind. They don't know which side to jump!
 

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Tree of Prosperity and luxury life in USA must be refreshed with the blood of the innocent people in Afghanistan who had nothing to do with the "911" and the innocent people in Iraq who did not possess and produce chemical weapons.
What a great democracy! We need more democracies like this, so that our world will be more peaceful.
I think you are hardly in a position to comment.

Tree of Prosperity and better life in Eastern China has to be refreshed with the blood of the innocent people in Tibet and Xinjiang and loot from their region?

What say?

Fortunately for you, you are NOT a democracy and instead a good, disciplined totalitarian regime that annihilates dissent and freedom in all its ways!
 

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Hanyu Pinyin

Dōngfāng hóng, tàiyáng shēng,
Zhōngguó chū liǎo ge Máo Zédōng,
Tā wèi rénmín móu xìngfú,
Hū'ěr-hei-yo, tā shì rénmín dà jiùxīng!

Máo zhǔxí, ài rénmín,
Tā shì wǒmén de dàilùrén
Wèile jiànshè xīn Zhōngguó,
Hū’ěr-hei-yo, lǐngdǎo wǒmén xiàng qiánjìn!

Gòngchǎndǎng, xiàng tàiyáng,
Zhàodào nǎlǐ nǎlǐ liàng,
Nǎlǐ yǒu liǎo Gòngchǎndǎng,
Hū‘ěr-hei-yo, nǎlǐ rénmín dé jiěfàng!

English translation

The east is red, the sun is rising
China has brought forth a Mao Zedong.
He works for the people's welfare.
Hurrah, He is the people's great savior.

Chairman Mao loves the people,
He is our guide,
To build a new China,
Hurrah, he leads us forward!

The Communist Party is like the sun,
Wherever it shines, it is bright.
Wherever there is a Communist Party,
Hurrah, there the people are liberated!


Now what do you make of it?

Personality cult?

communist country during the rule of Adolph Hitler, its similarities to China are shocking. Both Nazi Germany (1932-1945) and Communist China while run by Mao Zedong's Red Army (1928-1976) were cruel regimes that were responsible for killing millions of their own people. The leaders of each country were able to manipulate their citizens and convince others into thinking that what they were doing was appropriate and even respectable. This must lead one to ask ‘How can millions be fooled for so long?’

In order to understand how people could have been so easily fooled and manipulated it is critical to take a look at each country’s history a few years prior to the uprising of each ruler. In Germany people were suffering and depressed. The First World War, to which Germany was blamed for, ended up costing billions of dollars for the German government, and as a result the people were miserable and frustrated. The economy was slow and people everywhere were starving and without work; desperate for someone to tell them there’s hope and a future. Along came Hitler, a man who claimed that he had a solution to their problems and eventually told them who was to blame for their depression. When Hitler was first gaining power one of his key focuses was religious freedom for all except those who endangered the German race. He soon changed that policy and began spreading massive amounts of propaganda so that many would come to hate Jews. Having someone to blame gave Hitler a huge advantage; when you can hold a group of people responsible for something it gives you a common enemy and consequently unites you, even if it is only through hatred.

In China, similar circumstances arose that led Mao to power. The current government had been fighting a war against the Japanese that left the people suffering and depressed. Mao challenged Chaing Ka Sheck's weak Chinese government which led to a civil war. Although Mao suffered early causualties, he built back his forces from among the peasants with the promise of a system of government that would end their misery.

In establishing their empires both Mao Zedong and Adolph Hitler targeted impressionable youth to build up their followers. Hitler realized that if he was going to rule Germany he needed the support of the adolescent. Hitler did a large majority of this through propaganda in school. Posters, videos, and flags were displayed everywhere reminding the good German children how awful Jews were. This worked! Germany grew to have an army of over 12.5 million soldiers; seventy-three percent of these were said to have been between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, of which almost all volunteered to serve their country!

In China, Mao targeted youth also. More specifically he targeted illiterate peasant youth as they made up more than eighty percent of the population. The youth of China were very supportive of Chairman Mao, he offered hope and gave them a new perspective about tomorrow. As in Germany, millions volunteered for the Red Guard, particularly after Mao deflected blame from himself and onto the traditional generation during the devastating "Cultural Revolution". Both Germany and China had massive book burnings of anything that might challenge the dictatorships.

It was not long after Hitler rose to power that he and the entire German community began discriminating against the Jews. At first they were given a curfew and told they could not go into certain places, then their shops were boycotted and their jobs taken away, finally they were sent off to concentration camps where they were underfed, worked to death, or killed right when they got there. This played a fairly role in the Protestant church. Although most Protestant and Catholic churches remained fairly silent throughout this period there was much opposition from young pastors. With the support of Karl Barth, a professor of theology at Bonn University, in May of 1934 a group of well known “rebel pastors” formed what is today known as the Confessional Church. Hundreds of these pastors would be sent to concentration camps and many were executed over the next few years. Among the most famous of these pastors are Martin Niemoller, Dietrich Bonhoffer, and Heinrich Gruber. Some Christians would help Jews when they had the chance, by providing them with transportation and sometimes even living arrangements, but most were too frightened to speak up or help the Jews. So, the Protestant church during the time of Nazi Germany neither sufficiently grew nor dwindled.

However, in China the religious persecution was focused much more on Christians than any other group. Midnight raids were conducted and entire families were slaughtered for owning a bible. At the very least you lost your job for claiming the name of Christ but usually the consequences of being ‘disloyal’ were much more drastic. However, one would think that this type of persecution would dismantle and destroy the church, but it was during these years that the church skyrocketed and any came to know the Lord. “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake; for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven”- Matthew 5:10. The Chinese were empowered and emboldened by this persecution and a major church planting movement was started. Chinese believers clung to Christ and were forced to rely on Him and His provisions for them and their families. This is just another perfect example that humans cannot corner the Spirit of God and that what man tries to use for evil, God uses for his glory and honor. Even Germany's attempt to destroy the Jews indirectly led to the establishment of the nation of Israel. The leaders of China and Germany fooled their populations for a time but history revealed Hilter and Mao as the fools that brought on their own destruction.
Comparing Nazi Germany with China’s Red Army (a.k.a. Red Guards)
 

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AQ has already put them on warning.
They tried and failed.

And there is a Uighur population in Pakistan that is just raring to go. Already they have killed quite a few Chinese working there on Pak projects.
Yes, but if terrorism cannot force the US back off by killing thousands of its citizens, do you think that chinese will be scared by the loss of several hundreds of lives?

The Uighurs are on the move and it is dangerous for the Chinese.

The Uighurs are not Tibetans who are pacifists.
We are watching and we not pacifists either.

If the Chinese do to much to the Uighurs, the Moslem world will revolt against them!

The Chinese are in a bind. They don't know which side to jump!
In the riot of this year, the whole muslim world bing quiet except turkey may tell you sth.

We know that we will stay on the china's side. After we are not democratic country, are we?
 

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It is universally acknowledged that the Chinese Govt is masters at obfuscation and deflection and sidestepping from the real issue. Apparently, the affliction is more universal than that.

No, the French Revolution does not = Chinese revolution. Ethnically, the people are not similar nor are their philosophies. Therefore, you are making a mistake and your analogy is the ideal example of the fallacy of the undistributed middle.

The issue is The Hundred Schools of Thought and Mao’s Let a Hundred Flower Bloom. My comment was on the PSYCHOLOGY of the ethnic group! In both cases, issues are presented as Hundred of this or that! In other words, NOTHING IS SAID STRAIGHT. Hard truths (as perceived by the ruler/ dictator) and which may not be palatable is made pliable by sugar-coats of poetic gibberish with the fond delusion that it has been made into a heavenly edict!

The Hundred Schools of Thought which worked out the principles of governance helped the rise of the Qin dynasty and the subsequent purge of dissent.

As far as Mao’s Hundred Flower Movement, from 1956 to 1957 during which the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) encouraged a variety of views and solutions to national policy issues, launched under the slogan: "Letting a hundred flowers blossom and a hundred schools of thought contend is the policy for promoting progress in the arts and the sciences and a flourishing socialist culture in our land."

The first part of the phrase is often mistranslated and remembered in the west as "let a thousand flowers bloom" and used to refer to alleged deliberate attempts to flush out dissidents by encouraging them to show themselves as critical of the regime, before wiping them out.
Again, you are being cleverer by half.
Firstly, Hundreds schools of thoughts was initiated by Chinese elite from the bottom, each thought was trying to win the dominant position in the ruling class of various countries. It focus on 2 thing: how to unify china and how to keep it unified. One thought may be rejected by a king but accepted by another. One dominant thought of a country may be replaced by a new one in next day. It can be regarded as china’s Renaissance

The hundreds flowers was aimed at how to modernize China, which was initiated from the top ruling class of CCP. Once a policy was decided, the others will be abolished and completely destroyed, there was no second round. It was like a consulting meeting.

Secondly, during the hundreds school of thoughts, each thoughts stood on equal ground to compete while there was already a dominant thought existed before hundreds flowers: communism. Any new policy or thought cannot collide with it.

So, you are comparing an apple to an orange


It is not Emperor Wu and Qing Dynasty's expansion.

It is just to emphasise and underline the Chinese penchant for imperialism, expansionism and bloodlust to achieve their insatiable desire to be gobble up whatever their imagination directs them as 'true'. Sadly, even if they are mere hallucinations!
Again, you are comparing the apple to the orange.

Emperor Wu’s expansion is actually defensive. Before him, the whole china had been victim of invasion of Huns for hundreds years. In order to solve this problem, Qin built the great wall. Emperor Wu’s father and grandfather tried to enlighten the Huns by give treasury and women. After all these options failed, he started the new strategy: mobilizing the whole china for a total war. Throughout the whole war, his target was only one: eliminate the threat of Huns. His tactic was to drive the whole Huns tribe to remote north.

In Qing’s expansion, the target was land controlling.. Under the help of Qing’s ally among the local tribes, Qing controlled these new lands: in Tibet, any new dalai lama had to get the approval of central gov; in Xinjiang, several resisting tribes were extinct completely.



No, you did not ask me to read Communist literature.

But then when did the Chinese ever say anything upfront? You said the Chinese professor (your own Red Chinese professor) is talking through his hat and one should take it with a pinch of salt, again by inference!

It is not only Chinese history online, but in India we do read things beyond online. Even online one reads Google books on line by reputed scholars and scholars are not purely a Chinese commodity, or is it?
If you don’t know sth, doesn’t mean it was not there. I just make a suggestion, it is up to you if you want to see the reality or not.


I enjoyed your 'Oh God' at the beginning of your post. It is good to know that the Americans have successfully lured you from you decadent socialism and thrown the carrot of capitalism and materialism and also forced you to think of religion and God.

God Bless America!
Sorry to disappoint you, I am still a atheism supporter. “Oh God” in china was used like “F” word in West.
Maybe you read too many “Chinese” history books to realize that religion has always been existed in china. The only problem is that religion has never been the top agenda for Chinese.
 

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If you really had been in China,and can discuss buddhism philosophy with a Chinese monk.

Could you tell us the chinese version of this story?in Chinese.
I have to admit I am very amused by reading posts written by Chinese. They can present the most hilarious arguments. Could you please try to explain the point of writing in Chinese in an Indian forum?

我经常在这个论坛用中文写帖子。一个原因是我愿意提高我中文水平。我觉得很遗憾中国论坛不允许我写帖子。我估计是因为中国当局害怕被洗脑的中国人民会开始独立思想。另外的原因是可能会有英文水平低的中国人会注意我所写的。起来不愿做奴隶的人民!
 

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Firstly, Hundreds schools of thoughts was initiated by Chinese elite from the bottom, each thought was trying to win the dominant position in the ruling class of various countries. It focus on 2 thing: how to unify china and how to keep it unified. One thought may be rejected by a king but accepted by another. One dominant thought of a country may be replaced by a new one in next day. It can be regarded as china’s Renaissance

The hundreds flowers was aimed at how to modernize China, which was initiated from the top ruling class of CCP. Once a policy was decided, the others will be abolished and completely destroyed, there was no second round. It was like a consulting meeting.

Secondly, during the hundreds school of thoughts, each thoughts stood on equal ground to compete while there was already a dominant thought existed before hundreds flowers: communism. Any new policy or thought cannot collide with it.

So, you are comparing an apple to an orange




Again, you are comparing the apple to the orange.

Emperor Wu’s expansion is actually defensive. Before him, the whole china had been victim of invasion of Huns for hundreds years. In order to solve this problem, Qin built the great wall. Emperor Wu’s father and grandfather tried to enlighten the Huns by give treasury and women. After all these options failed, he started the new strategy: mobilizing the whole china for a total war. Throughout the whole war, his target was only one: eliminate the threat of Huns. His tactic was to drive the whole Huns tribe to remote north.

In Qing’s expansion, the target was land controlling.. Under the help of Qing’s ally among the local tribes, Qing controlled these new lands: in Tibet, any new dalai lama had to get the approval of central gov; in Xinjiang, several resisting tribes were extinct completely.





If you don’t know sth, doesn’t mean it was not there. I just make a suggestion, it is up to you if you want to see the reality or not.




Sorry to disappoint you, I am still a atheism supporter. “Oh God” in china was used like “F” word in West.
Maybe you read too many “Chinese” history books to realize that religion has always been existed in china. The only problem is that religion has never been the top agenda for Chinese.
I find you are an interesting chap interested in horticulture.

We are no fools.

You can do your twisting of facts. It is inbuilt!

Don't underestimate Sunni Muslims!

You do so at your peril!

They are not pacifist Buddhist Tibetans!

Religion is the TOPMOST agenda in China. That is why you control and appoint the Clergy. You control their Sermons and you prevent them from religious instructions to their children!

Anything more to be said?
 

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I have to admit I am very amused by reading posts written by Chinese. They can present the most hilarious arguments. Could you please try to explain the point of writing in Chinese in an Indian forum?

我经常在这个论坛用中文写帖子。一个原因是我愿意提高我中文水平。我觉得很遗憾中国论坛不允许我写帖子。我估计是因为中国当局害怕被洗脑的中国人民会开始独立思想。另外的原因是可能会有英文水平低的中国人会注意我所写的。起来不愿做奴隶的人民!
Hey Yuebaili your written Chinese is not bad!

To yuebaili

[mod]MasterofSea this is not a chinese language forum[/mod]
Hey Masterofsea, seems only China-bashing brainwashed can write in Chinese here, funny?

Tell others about this.
 
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I have to admit I am very amused by reading posts written by Chinese. They can present the most hilarious arguments. Could you please try to explain the point of writing in Chinese in an Indian forum?

我经常在这个论坛用中文写帖子。一个原因是我愿意提高我中文水平。我觉得很遗憾中国论坛不允许我写帖子。我估计是因为中国当局害怕被洗脑的中国人民会开始独立思想。另外的原因是可能会有英文水平低的中国人会注意我所写的。起来不愿做奴隶的人民!
Yuebaili, long time no see. Ha ha, you are still that good in Chinese.

I saw you 3 yrs ago in some Chinese and India forums, China and Chinese people changed a lots in last 3 yrs, but seems you didn't change too much.
 

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He is still in his own lala land, no sign of waking up any time soon, even Indiandefenceforum banned him, even he is 100% pro-democracy, I guess that tells us something about him.
 

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