Wokeism affecting modern Warfare

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@HitmanBlood you can proceed the discussion here

I would argue that US still remains a superpower, it is not even a country but an empire, an empire which can project power with impunity in any part of the world

But wokeism affecting the military is a real threat, people should be selected on the basis of the performance alone, not for inclusivity and equality

As evident in the PLA or The Russians they don't give a shit about inclusivity, they only care about effectiveness

I'm tagging @Del horno here
 

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I don't think it will be an issue, times are changing so obviously it's not gonna stay the same like it was in the past. Don't think it's an issue to be in a environment where people can talk freely about the mental health, can be heard. As long as physical conditioning and mental conditioning standards are maintained, it's a non issue according to me, and ads can be as rosy as they want, they will know the truth when they are in the field.
 

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I don't think it will be an issue, times are changing so obviously it's not gonna stay the same like it was in the past. Don't think it's an issue to be in a environment where people can talk freely about the mental health, can be heard. As long as physical conditioning and mental conditioning standards are maintained, it's a non issue according to me, and ads can be as rosy as they want, they will know the truth when they are in the field.
These colorful ads may end up getting in people, who may get PTSD from basic training and not actual combat

My question is why does an army want to appeal people who are not interested in the first place
These wokes are the most anti-war as it gets
 

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These colorful ads may end up getting in people, who may get PTSD from basic training and not actual combat

My question is why does an army want to appeal people who are not interested in the first place
These wokes are the most anti-war as it gets
They don't suffer from overpopulation, unemployment and moreover people can get well paid jobs much more easily and mostly get by even with minimum wages so they don't really have any keen interest in living a restricted life, either overseas or in some home base and the pay isn't that well too thus you see them arranging fancy seminars and recruitment camps in universities, they want the manpower that's all, what's better than enticing them with all that in universities.
Also just because someone might be "woke" it doesn't mean they can't be trained, yeah obviously it might be hard for them in the bootcamp, but they will definitely come out of it in a better shape.
 

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@HitmanBlood you can proceed the discussion here

I would argue that US still remains a superpower, it is not even a country but an empire, an empire which can project power with impunity in any part of the world

But wokeism affecting the military is a real threat, people should be selected on the basis of the performance alone, not for inclusivity and equality

As evident in the PLA or The Russians they don't give a shit about inclusivity, they only care about effectiveness

I'm tagging @Del horno here
Thank you for opening a new thread.

Its not about inclusivity. The modern liberal definition of inclusivity is a flawed theory. It says that everyone is eligible to do any job regardless of requirements. A token representation must be there even as it doesn't meet minimum requirements.

If we focus on the subject of Military, it exists as a hard power for a nation. Without this a nation would crumble. The core of military is exceptional men who are stonger, courageous and more patriotic then average. These requirements are biological and hance can't be cultivated by training. Yes training can improve skills but a stong base has to be there. This is why militaries around the world have certain requirements for recruitment.

Not everyone can meet these high standards. This is why in the old time and still yong and stong go to war and old and weak stay behind. There is also biological angle to it. Men are stronger than females also men are more risk taking in nature and are better suited for combat roles.


US is a superpower. No argument there. However there are many factors that make a country a superpower. Hard power is among most important factor for a superpower state. US military untill recently was a very conservative institution. It maintained high standards needed for any military.

Under the onslaught of cultural revolution taking place in US, military too is going full woke. First they started experimenting with females in comabt duties in 2013. The effect of such change are yet to be seen as US has not fought any serious war with feminine military.
 

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@HitmanBlood you can proceed the discussion here

I would argue that US still remains a superpower, it is not even a country but an empire, an empire which can project power with impunity in any part of the world

But wokeism affecting the military is a real threat, people should be selected on the basis of the performance alone, not for inclusivity and equality

As evident in the PLA or The Russians they don't give a shit about inclusivity, they only care about effectiveness

I'm tagging @Del horno here
Most Western armies will never face Conflict-for-National-Survival, so that is why these first world and liberal memes are seeping into their armies.
Chings, Ruskies and us always face a threat that impinges on our survival as a nation or threats that will cost us an immense loss of land.
Zooropeans, Cancucks, Americunts etc do not face this possibility.
They go on "safari" foreign intervention wars and conflicts all around the planet against a much weaker opponent for reasons of Hooman Raitas or Freedumbs of *Lund Lassan*.
 

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Most Western armies will never face Conflict-for-National-Survival, so that is why these first world and liberal memes are seeping into their armies.
Chings, Ruskies and us always face a threat that impinges on our survival as a nation or threats that will cost us an immense loss of land.
Zooropeans, Cancucks, Americunts etc do not face this possibility.
They go on "safari" foreign intervention wars and conflicts all around the planet against a much weaker opponent for reasons of Hooman Raitas or Freedumbs of *Lund Lassan*.
West today enjoys a peaceful neighborhood and a global dominance but not by chance. Their ancestors fought hard for such dominance. Their bloody war mongering history is the reason why they don't face any immediate danger unlike us who kept kicking the can down to future generations so we can live in temporary peace.

The woke pandering won't change much in US military in next few years. However it will gradually change things for worse over many dacades. The world is full of vultures. When a nation becomes week militarily, they will come for their pound of flesh. This is inevitable. This is how all powerful Roman empire was brought down by some rag tag barbarians.
 

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@HitmanBlood you can proceed the discussion here

I would argue that US still remains a superpower, it is not even a country but an empire, an empire which can project power with impunity in any part of the world

But wokeism affecting the military is a real threat, people should be selected on the basis of the performance alone, not for inclusivity and equality

As evident in the PLA or The Russians they don't give a shit about inclusivity, they only care about effectiveness

I'm tagging @Del horno here
does it really matter. unitl this wokeism is visible in there military budget , they will remain superpower. how liberals were asking for free healthcare things like this will dent there military budget which will effect there overall strength.
 

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I would also like to add that peace is not natural but something that has to be earned by being strong. Like a body that lives healthy only as long as its immune system is strong. People can only live peacefully under a stong defence capability.

Peace is not appeasement of enemy but rather a triumph over them. Let me give an example of India. Our great liberal leaders Gandhi, Nehru created Pakistan, why? Because Muslims were rioting. They wanted peace so they cave into rioters demands. What happened, did we get peace? No, we got full fledged wars and a constant threat of invasion. So after this we still tried to avoid more violence, tolerated our enemy for 50 years what happened, did we get peace? No, we got a nuclear war threat and non stop terrorism.

Had our ancestors suppressed Mulla riots by force and not entertained such demands then India would've been more peaceful or atleast won't be facing a nuclear threat from western border.

What did we learn. Strength keeps peace. Weakness creats wars. There is no alternative.
 

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does it really matter. unitl this wokeism is visible in there military budget , they will remain superpower. how liberals were asking for free healthcare things like this will dent there military budget which will effect there overall strength.
Wokes will reduce the military budget. If not directly then by their stupid economic policies.

I want to add here that money alone or technology alone can't win a war. Human factor is equally important. Technology is created to assist humans. When there is a rot among ranks, big budget won't help much.
 

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I would also like to add that peace is not natural but something that has to be earned by being strong. Like a body that lives healthy only as long as its immune system is strong. People can only live peacefully under a stong defence capability.

What did we learn. Strength keeps peace. Weakness creats wars. There is no alternative.
We learned nothing, sab ko "statesman" ban ne ka keeda lag jaata hai.


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Only one good thing is Pigs got smacked for their g*ndmasti, that's about it.
We still have a long way to go in terms of "offensive-defense" internally and externally.
 

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Wokes will reduce the military budget. If not directly then by their stupid economic policies.

I want to add here that money alone or technology alone can't win a war. Human factor is equally important. Technology is created to assist humans. When there is a rot among ranks, big budget won't help much.
yes you are right. but remember these wokes will not constitute entire military. most women in military are in medical wing , planes, control towers , manning defence systems and naval ships . they dont directly engage in combat. most of them are men. ofcourse exception is alway there. but overall this will not effect there military power.
 

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The problem with the woke sheep is that propaganda is always a top-down process and never bottom-up. In other words, there will never be any meaningful awakening on the left as long as the globalist MSM control the narrative.

The left worldwide has been craving for open borders, mass immigration, climate change hysteria, biological men competing in women sports, big government, big crime and anarchy and now they have been handed over their socialist El Dorado on a silver plate.

They have been refusing to listen to anything outside their own sick echo chamber.
 

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yes you are right. but remember these wokes will not constitute entire military. most women in military are in medical wing , planes, control towers , manning defence systems and naval ships . they dont directly engage in combat. most of them are men. ofcourse exception is alway there. but overall this will not effect there military power.
There are 2 major forces driving humanity.

1 masculine force

Masculinity is strength, discovery, risk taking, protective, always vigilant of threat.

2 Faminine force

Faminine is weak, submissive, care giving, loving, loyalty, aversion of risk, emotion driven.

They are not competing but rather complementary. Both forces are needed in society. However they are both required at different places. Active duty military service requies masculine force.

God made us like like this. This is simple biology. This behaviour is observed in all mammals.

Eg. In a pack of lions, females outnumber males by a big margin. They do most work and male only enjoys spoils. However when that pack is attacked only male lion goes to fight, female just accept whoever is winner. Why? Why don't male and female lions fight together and defeate the enemy? Because it's not in their nature. This is biology.

We humans throughout our history followed simple biological rules. Young and strong Men fought and rest stayed behind. Wokes want to change this. They want people to behave aginst their biology.

Now coming to point. Wokes will not constitute entire millitary just like how they won't constitute entire country. However their sick ideology will have wide reaching effects.

Imagine some senarios

US military ground invading a country. 10 percent of their frontline soldiers are female or LGBTQ kind. Those 10 present will be a liability to rest. If this number increases the liability will also increase. In the end force won't be able to fight with 100 efficiency.

Imagine another senario where a high ranking female officer is captured by Jehadi forces. She is not just killed but brutally [email protected], their bodies mutilated, all that on video. Now imagine the morale of soldiers after this. There are many such senarios.

Wokism in US military is not a dieses but rather a symptom of a deep rot in their society. If this rot continues they will not survive as a superpower for too long.
 

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There are 2 major forces driving humanity.

1 masculine force

Masculinity is strength, discovery, risk taking, protective, always vigilant of threat.

2 Faminine force

Faminine is weak, submissive, care giving, loving, loyalty, aversion of risk, emotion driven.

They are not competing but rather complementary. Both forces are needed in society. However they are both required at different places. Active duty military service requies masculine force.

God made us like like this. This is simple biology. This behaviour is observed in all mammals.

Eg. In a pack of lions, females outnumber males by a big margin. They do most work and male only enjoys spoils. However when that pack is attacked only male lion goes to fight, female just accept whoever is winner. Why? Why don't male and female lions fight together and defeate the enemy? Because it's not in their nature. This is biology.

We humans throughout our history followed simple biological rules. Young and strong Men fought and rest stayed behind. Wokes want to change this. They want people to behave aginst their biology.

Now coming to point. Wokes will not constitute entire millitary just like how they won't constitute entire country. However their sick ideology will have wide reaching effects.

Imagine some senarios

US military ground invading a country. 10 percent of their frontline soldiers are female or LGBTQ kind. Those 10 present will be a liability to rest. If this number increases the liability will also increase. In the end force won't be able to fight with 100 efficiency.

Imagine another senario where a high ranking female officer is captured by Jehadi forces. She is not just killed but brutally [email protected], their bodies mutilated, all that on video. Now imagine the morale of soldiers after this. There are many such senarios.

Wokism in US military is not a dieses but rather a symptom of a deep rot in their society. If this rot continues they will not survive as a superpower for too long.
Crazed as a Woke US military might be, it will find it much more difficult to win its wars, especially in conjunction with existing trends with respect to decreasing officer IQ. By breaking down meritocracy and undermining esprit de corps.

Wokeness probably translates into another effective 5-10 point reduction in IQ so far as combat effectiveness is concerned. This is taking place at the same time that the technological gap relative to β€œnear peer” adversaries is rapidly narrowing.

Military defeat is one of the very few things that could decisively discredit the Woke ideology.
 

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yes you are right. but remember these wokes will not constitute entire military. most women in military are in medical wing , planes, control towers , manning defence systems and naval ships . they dont directly engage in combat. most of them are men. ofcourse exception is alway there. but overall this will not effect there military power.
There was an instance when a Female C.O of a ship was Grounded (means sent for doing Land based stuff) due to displaying poor leadership resulting in "displeasure" within the crew including chief of the boat
The vessel in question is Arleigh-burke class Destroyer, the best in the world hands down in it's class of destroyers
 

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