Why is AFSPA necessary for India

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Not a wise move....This will do nothing but create a bigger wedge between locals and the government and that too at a crucial time when mass anti-AFSPA protests are going on all over Nagaland.
AFSPA is here to stay. Remember that atrocity journalism is a new weapon that is used to tarnish the reputation of our soldiers. 95% of the cases are false. there are a few bad apples and they are court-martialled for it. There is a bloody reason why the media is even able to report the killings - it is because we are a democracy and the armed forces allow full transparency. If the Indian Army was as "controversial" as they make our soldiers sound, they would have entered the houses of the victims' families and finished them off as well like Myanmar, China, US troops in Okinawa, or some other crazed military.

Indian Army is not some tin-pot dictator's personal guard; there are procedures and processes in place to address any and every challenge, including intentionally violent soldiers who create trouble for civilians. Stop buying into this media nonsense.

AFSPA is not a blank cheque; there are a lot of things that go into giving the troops that kind of power. This is within a democratic framework where the top civilians of state and the centre are both notified, along with detailed SOPs for officers who violate the set procedures and protocol.

Show me a single professional military force on this planet that has a flawless record against counter-terrorism. and I will support the removal of AFSPA.

What happened in Nagaland is not a daily occurrence and that's because the Indian Army's personnel are mostly locals on the ground with some senior commanders posted from other parts of the country. It was a tragedy that so many innocent civilians died, but without this law, our troops are standing naked in front of an enemy that shoots and scoots away across the border into Myanmar and China.

We need AFSPA - maybe with more state oversight into combat operations (except covert ops, as there could be people in the administration sympathetic to the terrorists & pass on sensitive information), but the law should only stop once Nagaland becomes as normal as Rajasthan or Uttar Pradesh or Tamil Nadu.
 

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AFSPA is here to stay. Remember that atrocity journalism is a new weapon that is used to tarnish the reputation of our soldiers. 95% of the cases are false. there are a few bad apples and they are court-martialled for it. There is a bloody reason why the media is even able to report the killings - it is because we are a democracy and the armed forces allow full transparency. If the Indian Army was as "controversial" as they make our soldiers sound, they would have entered the houses of the victims' families and finished them off as well like Myanmar, China, US troops in Okinawa, or some other crazed military.
The big question people ask is that if the Central Armed police forces,IRB's and State Armed police forces can fight a much brutal insurgency in the Naxal belt without AFSPA,So why do you think the Army requires AFSPA in a state that has been largely peaceful for nearly a decade.

Further 63 years of AFSPA in Nagaland did not yield any result,rather we had to negotiate a ceasefire with the insurgents.So how do you think it will help in achieving anything if at all in near future ?


Show me a single professional military force on this planet that has a flawless record against counter-terrorism. and I will support the removal of AFSPA.
The conflict in nagaland is a complex political issue that cannot be simply resolved militarily alone.It needs a larger political dialogue.

You have to understand that one cannot defeat an insurgency if they cannot win over the People and AFSPA only helps in alienating people from the mainstream and into the hands of the separatists.

More than helping the Army,this law helps the enemies to carry out propaganda against the country and the Army.
 

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Not a wise move....This will do nothing but create a bigger wedge between locals and the government and that too at a crucial time when mass anti-AFSPA protests are going on all over Nagaland.
I simply don't know what to say now, Manipur Government will extend the law by another 6 months as the law expires tomorrow can be renewed 6 months at a time.
Nagaland, the extension is at the juncture of the investigation of the Dec 4th unfortunate incident and there is quite an apprehension from the people there. Let see what happen in the next few days, if extended some folks will be made scape goat to maintain peace otherwise bad protest might erupt again. Very dicey time.
 

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The big question people ask is that if the Central Armed police forces,IRB's and State Armed police forces can fight a much brutal insurgency in the Naxal belt without AFSPA,So why do you think the Army requires AFSPA in a state that has been largely peaceful for nearly a decade.
I can say this New Delhi doesn't care what happens in NE as the vote bank doesn't count much in the national seat. Things would have been very different if we have the national seats as much as other big states.
 

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I can say this New Delhi doesn't care what happens in NE as the vote bank doesn't count much in the national seat. Things would have been very different if we have the national seats as much as other big states.

Maybe people sitting in Delhi are worried about something..
 

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The big question people ask is that if the Central Armed police forces,IRB's and State Armed police forces can fight a much brutal insurgency in the Naxal belt without AFSPA,So why do you think the Army requires AFSPA in a state that has been largely peaceful for nearly a decade.

Further 63 years of AFSPA in Nagaland did not yield any result,rather we had to negotiate a ceasefire with the insurgents.

So how do you think it will help in achieving anything if at all in near future ?




The conflict in nagaland is a complex political issue that cannot be simply resolved militarily alone.It needs a larger political dialogue.

You have to understand that one cannot defeat an insurgency if they cannot win over the People and AFSPA only helps in alienating people from the mainstream and into the hands of the separatists.

More than helping the Army,this law helps the enemies to carry out propaganda against the country and the Army.
Again, read my post on terrorism happening in Nagaland and Manipur in this thread. These guys are not some impoverished Naxals stealing 303s. These guys are armed with machine guns, assault rifles, grenade launchers, and everything just short of light artillery.

Amit Shah called to negotiate a peace treaty with NSCN leaders if you remember. The entire leadership refused to partake in the democratic process and still pressed demands for full autonomy like 370-era Kashmir and eventually separatism.

What does that tell you? That they don't want to join the mainstream and want to create another China-controlled country like Laos and Cambodia. We cannot let that happen.

Enemies will always find something or the other to make propaganda out of. We need to be sure of our interests. We cannot keep walking on eggshells just because of a few mishaps - as tragic as they might be.

Over 75,000 uniformed personnel have died over decades fighting terrorism in our country.

AK bullets ripping flesh off their young bodies that they forged using the rigorous training regimens; grenades shredding their organs, eyes, faces, limbs, etc with shrapnel, leaving them either dead or worse; mortars and landmines bursting their bodies asunder while the jungle environment plays tricks with their minds, with no access to their families for days, just for a few thousand rupees and government facilities as remuneration....

Why has nobody talked about it? Don't these people have families? Do they not have mothers, fathers, wives, kids, brothers, sisters? Do they not deserve the peace that everyone else is getting? What about their peace and rights?


NSCN and PLA + NSCM have chosen to ally with the CCP and the scummy Baptist Church. That was their mistake. Now they will suffer the wrath of our forces. Naga regiment of our Army should be sent after them for their heads. Nothing less.
 

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I can say this New Delhi doesn't care what happens in NE as the vote bank doesn't count much in the national seat. Things would have been very different if we have the national seats as much as other big states.
Well, this is a much bigger improvement than what we had before for decades. One major benefit of Chinese-funded border threats is that they finally start paying us attention. :bplease:
 

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I simply don't know what to say now, Manipur Government will extend the law by another 6 months as the law expires tomorrow can be renewed 6 months at a time.

Nagaland, the extension is at the juncture of the investigation of the Dec 4th unfortunate incident and there is quite an apprehension from the people there. Let see what happen in the next few days, if extended some folks will be made a scapegoat to maintain peace otherwise bad protest might erupt again. Very dicey time.
Have some faith in our system, bro. The Indian Army has its bad apples but they do get them punished.
 

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Again, read my post on terrorism happening in Nagaland and Manipur in this thread. These guys are not some impoverished Naxals stealing 303s. These guys are armed with machine guns, assault rifles, grenade launchers, and everything just short of light artillery.
Not as impoverished as you think considering they are able to inflict greater casualty on security forces,more than combined total of Both NE and Kashmiri insurgents.

Except for one Pulama attack or one 2015 manipur ambush,the terrorists have never been able to carry out large scale attacks on security forces.

But incase of Naxal attacks the causality is usually always in double digit figures,the highest being 75 jawans martyred in 2010 which remains the biggest loss suffered by our security forces against an insurgent group since Independence.

So the question still remains,why AFSPA in low level insurgency in NE and not for High level Insurgency in Naxal belt ?

Amit Shah called to negotiate a peace treaty with NSCN leaders if you remember. The entire leadership refused to partake in the democratic process and still pressed demands for full autonomy like 370-era Kashmir and eventually separatism.
Nagaland already has a very similar to kashmir type autonomy which is called Article 371A .The Sticky point is on the issue of a separate flag and constitution.

What does that tell you? That they don't want to join the mainstream and want to create another China-controlled country like Laos and Cambodia. We cannot let that happen.
The Indian Naga groups have already given their demand for sovereignty.Only these Burmese groups like khaplang is creating hurdles.


AK bullets ripping flesh off their young bodies that they forged using the rigorous training regimens; grenades shredding their organs, eyes, faces, limbs, etc with shrapnel, leaving them either dead or worse; mortars and landmines bursting their bodies asunder while the jungle environment plays tricks with their minds, with no access to their families for days, just for a few thousand rupees and government facilities as remuneration....
I too feel sad when we lose a brave jawan to a conflict,but you must understand that AFSPA does nothing to contain or weed out insurgency,rather it emboldens it

The terrorists are least bothered about AFSPA as this law barely affects them or their ability to carry out attacks.60 years of AFSPA neither destroyed insurgency in manipur or in Nagaland nor it will do so in future.

Rather insurgents thank AFSPA for alienating people from mainstream and thus enabling more and more recruitment into their ranks and ensuring the vicious cycle of insurgency would go on for the foreseen future.
 

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So the question still remains,why AFSPA in low level insurgency in NE and not for High level Insurgency in Naxal belt ?
Why do u think army is not in Naxal belt while it is in NE and Kashmir smartass.
Do u willingly act ignorant mate? is this your way of mocking us?

AFSPA permits army to operate without informing the local admin which is the very core purpose of it.

The keyword here is Border state.

AFSPA isn't in the air it isn't a fucking gas that chokes people, AFSPA only comes in discussion when a particular event of abuse comes into picture.
Vice versa implement AFSPA all over the nation what difference does it make? will people start choking all of a sudden?
It is a extension of Power of armed forces it's isn't some crime Syndicate like you think.
There are a lot of redudnant and flawed laws in India but that does not bother people most of the time so there existence non existence does bot matter.
Next why don't you dismantle the army brainlet.
Bring up the fucking FIR record/Report/Study where people attested grievance directly due to AFSPA or shut the fuck up.

I don't know which south delhi army brat poop hole you live in but do reconsider your method of argument.
 
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This is interesting, the Union government has not issued notification for extension of the law in Manipur since its introduction in the 80s it is only the state government that is extending it but also it is the state government that wants to remove it, a bit of confusing statement from the state government.
 

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The big question people ask is that if the Central Armed police forces,IRB's and State Armed police forces can fight a much brutal insurgency in the Naxal belt without AFSPA,So why do you think the Army requires AFSPA in a state that has been largely peaceful for nearly a decade.
Answer: NNPG groups, with all the NSCN factions. These groups are not like LeT, HuJi, JeM, etc. They are trained as good as a regular army. They were formed with the idea that if they could wrench Nagaland into the so-called "Republic of Nagalim", their separate Christian tribal country, NSCN's militia would become the national armed forces. These groups are nothing like thethe run-and-gun naxals who steal a few INSAS, 303s , plant random IEDs & run away on bikes.

NSCN is equipped to teeth & can fight just like a regular force. Not to mention they have generous Chinese funding, making them an international matter, just like Islamic terrorists in Kashmir having Pakistani backing.

Further 63 years of AFSPA in Nagaland did not yield any result,rather we had to negotiate a ceasefire with the insurgents. So how do you think it will help in achieving anything if at all in near future ?

The conflict in nagaland is a complex political issue that cannot be simply resolved militarily alone. It needs a larger political dialogue.

You have to understand that one cannot defeat an insurgency if they cannot win over the People and AFSPA only helps in alienating people from the mainstream and into the hands of the separatists.
Did it occur to you that for 60 years, there was literally nothing serious done?

Punjab & Mizoram both went through a hard phase of CT operations. That is what is needed. See, these guys use Myanmar to escape into China and use the democratic rights of establishing radio stations, printing houses, and other stuff that keeps brainwashing poor people. Democracy should be only applicable to those who live like civilians & not by the gun.

Meanwhile the centre really needs to push for more development of the state, and I mean real development like land-ports, ICT back offices, food processes, services sector, etc. Instead of compelling Indian Naga people to come to Gurugram & Bengaluru, take some of the jobs there. Chip away the narrative that nothing happens locally there. Not some shitty rope bridge made by a local MLA to cut some ribbon.

More than helping the Army, this law helps the enemies to carry out propaganda against the country and the Army.
AFSPA is the only thing that gives the soldiers the required immunity from being horribly prosecuted under democratic laws. In the era where 95% of the news is fake and 4% remaining is exaggerated, this will destroy the military's morale in engaging with these lot.

Without AFSPA, atrocity literature funded by a mix of Chinese commies, drug money and US churches will get India sanctioned and pave way for separatism of a state that is as Indian as any other state.

You are forgetting a very important thing:

The attitude of fellow Indians from rest of the country has to change. When a simple Naga wins a scholarship or seat to study in Delhi, Mumbai, etc. (not so much in southern universities but sometimes there as well), he or she faces shit, racism, regionalism, harassment and targeted attacks. Then this Naga student returns to his state with a completely different and disillusioned idea of India and starts supporting groups like NSCN who get ready-made educated recruits.
 

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AFSPA is the only reason this country has not fallen to dogs lately , all non hindu majority areas need AFSPA in this country. people are very very naive & emotional.


Oh! please keep this victimhood bull s**t to yourself , same s**t happen with non slanted eyes looking people in these states. It's a two way street buddy.
It's not bulls#!&, but I agree that most people don't become affiliated with terrorists over some crass remarks.

Afspa is important, specially in border states/sensitive states where army meets high resistance. If army needs civilian clearance fir everything, no op will be able to proceed.
 

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