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vladimir- i always wondered why Russia had a huge defense industry and no auto industry? you have answered this.
:blum3: guys, the design of microprocessor is different from call centers...First off, I'm not your "dude". Don't call me that again. I have been an engineer long enough too.
Here are my responses to your "brain growing suggestions":
Microprocessors - Microprocessors are designed in labs in United States and are manufactured in Fabs in China/Taiwan. China has no advantage there. Moreover, microprocessors by themselves don't mean jack. It is the software that runs on it that makes things run and we all know who has the upperhand in that. That is the reason why India is better at avionics than the Chinese. Next,
what Japanese are good at is the commercialization of Robotics.Robotics - China doesn't know the R of Robotics. Again Japan/US.
as I know, SOviet and USA did best in it in cold war.Lasers - Oh? You mean laser based weapons? Still in its infancy, and again the research is very little in China.
While the use of Lasers in civilian equipment is trivial and it was invented in early 19th century, weapons based on it have not been in existence yet.
of course ,auto can be converted to tank-production not overnight,but after a while.Automotive - Have you been inside an auto plant? I have been. And no, they cannot be "converted" overnight to produce tanks, not with today's technology (which is why I referred to particle synthesizers, again pun intended). Just look at the assembly plants today and how specialized robotics are for these plants and you will understand.
well, Soviet was a center-planed economy .vladimir- i always wondered why Russia had a huge defense industry and no auto industry? you have answered this.
There is an auto industry, it is called AutoVAZ. Ever heard of the Lada? It has not been very successful due to the imports of foreign automakers. In fact, I drive a Mercedes and will not be buying one in the near future. They do not carry the luxery of German design and cannot compete with Japanese in economy. Lada is popular in CIS countries but their markets are low. We are successful in the heavy truck market with Kamaz. Europeans are buying out AutoVAZ so we will see what they can do with it. Right now they are almost in bad a shape as US automakers.vladimir- i always wondered why Russia had a huge defense industry and no auto industry? you have answered this.
Okay, not only are you a farmer or a blue-collar worker, you are a technically challenged one too!:blum3: guys, the design of microprocessor is different from call centers...
the high-end chips in the world are mainly produced in Japan, Taiwan and S.korea.
the mid-end/low-end chips are mainly produced in CHina.
India is not on the list.
It is. Which is why US and Japan are outsourcing it because it has no value addition. I don't know about Japan, but US and India have military fab plants, to ensure that China doesn't cause any mischief. Its also another reason why US is protecting its investments in taiwan. India doesn't have to worry about that at allBTW, chip/semiconductor plants are extremely expensive...chip/semiconductor-manufacturing is a extreme capital/tech-intensive industry. not every country can afford to setting up chip/semiconductor industry.
Ahh, what stupidity! Ever heard of Asimo? Japan is leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of the world in robotics and will kick your "civilian R&D"'s ass any day of the month.what Japanese are good at is the commercialization of Robotics.
But the best robotic is obvioulsy not in Japan.
so is the tech of machining-tool . Japanese is good at commericalization of it. but the best tech of machining-tools is in German and west europe.
LoL, Good for you. See, it took decades to copy that radar design, didn't it?as I know, SOviet and USA did best in it in cold war.
But in the past decade, CHina has progressed much in it .
it is often reported how PLA dazzle yankee's satellites with lazer.
Read Vladimir's post. That "after a while" will take years in today's defence manufacturing. The war will be over by then.of course ,auto can be converted to tank-production not overnight,but after a while.
in fact, before USA converted fully it huge civilian industry base into arsenals, German and Japan already were to fail soon.
So, in the last half year of 1944, USA started ceasing such a convert and stop more order of weapons.
oh,guy ,don't be so childish.Okay, not only are you a farmer or a blue-collar worker, you are a technically challenged one too!
Here's some food for your thought:
Intel's processor design in India
It's destination India for Japanese chip designers
ndia is up there with US and Japan developing multi-core chipsets for processing. They are fabricated in China/Taiwan.
Translation: You manufacture what US/Japan/India Designs.
guy, Before 1980s, Taiwan had no fab plants,but Yankee pledged to protect Taiwan.It is. Which is why US and Japan are outsourcing it because it has no value addition. I don't know about Japan, but US and India have military fab plants, to ensure that China doesn't cause any mischief. Its also another reason why US is protecting its investments in taiwan. India doesn't have to worry about that at all
hi,guy,are you really a engineer? I doubt it.Ahh, what stupidity! Ever heard of Asimo? Japan is leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of the world in robotics and will kick your "civilian R&D"'s ass any day of the month.
well, in 1914, all main powers like UK, France, German, Russia and Aust-Hung thought that the WW I would be over by end of 1914.Read Vladimir's post. That "after a while" will take years in today's defence manufacturing. The war will be over by then.
vladimir, it is a pity that Lada and other russian auto brand declined so much....There is an auto industry, it is called AutoVAZ. Ever heard of the Lada? It has not been very successful due to the imports of foreign automakers. In fact, I drive a Mercedes and will not be buying one in the near future. They do not carry the luxery of German design and cannot compete with Japanese in economy. Lada is popular in CIS countries but their markets are low. We are successful in the heavy truck market with Kamaz. Europeans are buying out AutoVAZ so we will see what they can do with it. Right now they are almost in bad a shape as US automakers.
That does it. Clearly, you don't possess any knowledge of any kind of engineering field. Arguing with you is a moot point. You are ignored from now on.oh,guy ,don't be so childish.
micro-soft sets up its biggest R&D center in beijing,does it prove CHina can master the code of windows? obviously not.
the core tech is still obvioulsy kept in the hands of Yankees.
There is no patriotism/nationalism in my posts. I criticize India's weak points equally. Ofcourse, you are ignoring them, or are not reading other threads, I post in.The problem with some guys on this forum is that their patriotism and nationalism is getting the better of their head. So its difficult to have a rational debate in those circumstances. Sometimes these guys get so involved in pulling out the minutiae to make a point, and lose the bigger idea behind the thread.
If a Chinese guy says something that is true....it doesnt make it untrue because you dont like China. Its not always about India vs. China.
My point about commercial technology being applied to military applications is not just about changing factories or redesigning components....its about the knowledge base and manpower from the civilian sector that can be leveraged into other applications including military and vice-versa.
Those countries that have a weak commercial, industrial & manufacturing technological base are not going to have a strong indigenous military industrial base. They both go hand in hand. It will be an uphill battle for these countries since they will always be dependent on foreign sources for key components even if they have very good engineers. This is what Badguy was trying to say initially, and I agree with his point.
A good example of this is the Soviet Union that is steadily falling behind the US and Western countries in defense technologies despite having very good engineers.
Yes, and this isn't 1914. Trench warfare is obsolete with air power. Every war fought by modern armies since the 60s has been swift. US defeated Iraq twice in a matter of weeks, Afghanistan, and Serbia same story. Russia and Georgia last year didn't last a week. Even going back to the 60s and 70s wars fought by major powers were swift. Just look at all the Indo-Pak wars in that time frame... they lasted weeks instead of years. Israel and Arab wars. the only wars that last for long periods of time are those fought by armies with no real air power or fighting guerrilas. India and China both have modern enough air forces and SAMs that a war wouldn't last too long. It is only going to be a short border war in most reality.well, in 1914, all main powers like UK, France, German, Russia and Aust-Hung thought that the WW I would be over by end of 1914.
Hilter defeated Poland ,France,Norway,Danmark,Yugosalvia,and Greece in weeks. So He also thought that He could defeated Soviets soon.Yes, and this isn't 1914. Trench warfare is obsolete with air power. Every war fought by modern armies since the 60s has been swift. US defeated Iraq twice in a matter of weeks, Afghanistan, and Serbia same story. Russia and Georgia last year didn't last a week. Even going back to the 60s and 70s wars fought by major powers were swift. Just look at all the Indo-Pak wars in that time frame... they lasted weeks instead of years. Israel and Arab wars. the only wars that last for long periods of time are those fought by armies with no real air power or fighting guerrilas. India and China both have modern enough air forces and SAMs that a war wouldn't last too long. It is only going to be a short border war in most reality.
Oh Vlad, as an engineer, I take strong issues with that. The Kosovo War proved that Serbian engineers are better than any American birdbrain any day of the week!Yes, and this isn't 1914. Trench warfare is obsolete with air power.
American-Vietnam, Sino-Soviet, 1st Sino-Vietnam, 2nd Sino-Vietnam, 1st Chechen, 2nd Chechen, 1st, 2nd, 3rd Yugoslav ... I think you've been cherry picking, Sgt.Every war fought by modern armies since the 60s has been swift.
I will accept your view on Afghanistan if you will accept mine that the Soviet Invasion in 1979 was on par with the American invasion of Iraq.US defeated Iraq twice in a matter of weeks, Afghanistan, and Serbia same story.
You don't count the skirmishes before?Russia and Georgia last year didn't last a week.
Yet they lost...Oh Vlad, as an engineer, I take strong issues with that. The Kosovo War proved that Serbian engineers are better than any American birdbrain any day of the week!
Note where I said except for fighting guerrilas.American-Vietnam, Sino-Soviet, 1st Sino-Vietnam, 2nd Sino-Vietnam, 1st Chechen, 2nd Chechen, 1st, 2nd, 3rd Yugoslav ... I think you've been cherry picking, Sgt.
We only used 80,000 men to invade Afghanistan and captured all their major cities in a matter of days. It was a half-arsed measure compared to the 400,000 coalition forces used to take Iraq.I will accept your view on Afghanistan if you will accept mine that the Soviet Invasion in 1979 was on par with the American invasion of Iraq.
Of course not, a couple people shooting at JPKF guards or flying UAVs is not a war.You don't count the skirmishes before?
Can't view your photos but the difference b/w logistics vehicles is not the point. It is not a combat machine.don't draw conclusion in such a hurry!...
one is ore-transporting truck,the other is missle-transporting vehicle. can you tell me how different they are??:2guns:
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