WHY CHINA, INDIA AND THE DALAI LAMA ARE PUSHING THE BOUNDARIES IN TAWANG

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The are already interfering in Kashmir by actively aiding Pakistan. So what's new?

Another day, another threat. It started it funny and entertaining but now it has started to become boring.
 

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Dalai Lama's visit to Arunachal may force Beijing to 'interfere' in Kashmir issue: Chinese media

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...desh-zhu-weiqun-sino-india-ties/1/921699.html

:pound::pound::pound: chincoms ass is burning
And we will be forced to interfere in Tibet, Taiwan, Xinjiang and the South China Sea! So the half-eyed, half-wit Chinks need to see where they're heading and STFU!

Seriously, there's a surprising silence on the part of India on these Chinese shenanigans. Why are we so quiet and apologetic on Dalai Lama's visit to Twang? I thought we had grown balls after Modi took over. But it seems it's going to be more of the same. It seems the impotent Manmohan years are back!
 
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Fortuner, Scorpio, snow scooter: India ups vehicle power along China border

Indian troops are now matching the Chinese army in engine power of the vehicles they use.

If the Chinese have Dongfengs, a knock-off of the famed US High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle or Humvee as they are better known, the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) -- the force that guards the Sino-India border -- is increasingly deploying Fortuners, Endeavours and Scorpios. And in the next couple of years, the ITBP intends to have Humvee like vehicles for its troops as well, possibly modified to suit Indian needs.

In the last one year, the ITBP has deployed one Toyota Fortuner and one Ford Endeavour in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh and there are around five dozen Mahindra Scorpios catering to the transportation needs of the troops.

“These vehicles have performed well during their first winter at locations where day-time sub-zero temperature is a norm,” said an ITBP official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Around 350 to 400 incidents of ‘face-off’ are reported every year on the 3,488 kilometre-long Sino-India border where troops often come face-to-face, telling each other to back off from what they perceive as their territory. The ‘face-off’ can end within minutes, hours or might even take days to resolve, like the incident that took place in Chumar area of Ladakh region when Chinese President Xi Jinping was visiting India in September, 2014.

“The vehicles uses by the Chinese can gather a speed upto 60 to 80 kms per hour on the gravel roads that they have. Our vehicles were no match to them in terms of quick deployment of troops in cases of ‘face-off’. But now six to seven persons can sit in the new vehicles with their weapons and match up to the Chinese,” said Jaivir Chaudhary, who retired as a deputy inspector general from the ITBP and served both in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh.

Chaudhary added that vehicles with powerful engines and better suspension system are a necessity at high-altitude areas.

“As of now these urban Sports Utility Vehicles are doing the job but the ITBP requires a made-to-requirement Humvee like vehicle with a patrol engine for patrolling and troop transportation. Diesel engines give starting trouble as they tend to freeze in these areas,” said Chaudhary.

For the ITBP, the SUVs are just the beginning. The force has also got five snow scooters and it recently tested all-terrain amphibious ‘caterpillar’ vehicle that rolls on a huge rubber band belt for its operational requirements in the high-altitude areas. It has decided to procure two such caterpillars also.
 

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Hope GOI and PM is not pissed in his pants with the Rant coming from China with its political and diplomatic moves.. We should bloody summon the chinese envoy and tell him to stop this bull shit rant they are creating and also to clearly remind then that meddling in kashmir will be crossing the red line ..The silence is very scary from our side looks like our guys realised they had stepped on a dragon tail without knowing how to tame the dragon now keeping silence and seeing what dragon s next move .. Get ready to see some lots of unrest and fireworks in kashmir and North east our big brothers Chinks are really going to throw everything in their armour of geopolitical games now on us for sure .. Looks like 2019 War is slowly budding on the cards .. Hope Backistan is ready to take the war in its back for chinese brother ...
 
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Just a small reminder to our chiniese members
Convention Between Great Britain, China, and Tibet, [in] Simla

SIMLA 1914

Attached to the Anglo-Tibetan Declaration

of 3 July 1914



His Majesty the King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas, Emperor of India, His Excellency the President of the Republic of China, and His Holiness the Dalai Lama of Tibet, being sincerely desirous to settle by mutual agreement various questions concerning the interests of their several States on the Continent of Asia, and further to regulate the relations of their several Governments, have resolved to conclude a Convention on this subject and have nominated for this purpose their respective Plenipotentiaries, that is to say:

His Majesty the King Of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and of the British Dominions beyond the Seas, Emperor of India, Sir Arthur Henry McMahon, Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, Knight Commander of the Most Eminent Order of the Indian Empire, Companion of the Most Exalted Order of the Star of India, Secretary to the Government of India, Foreign and Political Department;

His Excellency the President of the Republic of China, Monsieur Ivan Chen, Officer of the Order of the Chia Ho;

His Holiness the Dalai Lama of Tibet, Lonchen Ga-den Shatra Pal-jor Dorje; who having communicated to each other their respective full powers and finding them to be in good and due form have agreed upon and concluded the following Convention in eleven Articles.

Article 1. The Conventions specified in the Schedule to the present Convention shall, except in so far as they may have been modified by, or may be inconsistent with or repugnant to, any of the provisions of the present Convention, continue to be binding upon the High Contracting Parties.

Article 2. The Governments of Great Britain and China recognizing that Tibet is under the suzerainty of China, and recognizing also the autonomy of Outer Tibet, engage to respect the territorial integrity of the country, and to abstain from interference in the administration of Outer Tibet (including the selection and installation of the Dalai Lama), which shall remain in the hands of the Tibetan Government at Lhasa.

The Government of China engages not to convert Tibet into a Chinese province. The Government of Great Britain engages not to annex Tibet or any portion of it.

Article 3. Recognizing the special interest of Great Britain, in virtue of the geographical position of Tibet, in the existence of an effective Tibetan Government, and in the maintenance of peace and order in the neighbourhood of the frontiers of India and adjoining States, the Government of China engages, except as provided in Article 4 of this Convention, not to send troops into Outer Tibet, nor to station civil or military officers, nor to establish Chinese colonies in the country. Should any such troops or officials remain in Outer Tibet at the date of the signature of this Convention, they shall be withdrawn within a period not exceeding three months.

The Government of Great Britain engages not to station military or civil officers in Tibet (except as provided in the Convention of September�7, 1904, between Great Britain and Tibet) nor troops (except the Agents' escorts), nor to establish colonies in that country.

Article 4. The foregoing Article shall not be held to preclude the continuance of the arrangement by which, in the past, a Chinese high-official with suitable escort has been maintained at Lhasa, but it is hereby provided that the said escort shall in no circumstances exceed 300 men.

Article 5. The Governments of China and Tibet engage that they will not enter into any negotiations or agreements regarding Tibet with one another, or with any other Power, excepting such negotiations and agreements between Great Britain and Tibet as are provided for by the Convention of September�7, 1904, between Great Britain and Tibet and the Convention of April�27, 1906, between Great Britain and China.

Article 6. Article�III of the Convention of April�27, 1906, between Great Britain and China is hereby cancelled, and it is understood that in Article�IX(d) of the Convention of September�7, 1904, between Great Britain and Tibet the term 'Foreign Power' does not include China.

Not less favourable treatment shag be accorded to British commerce than to the commerce of China or the most favoured nation.

Article 7.a. The Tibet Trade Regulations of 1893 and 1908 are hereby cancelled.

b. The Tibetan Government engages to negotiate with the British Government new Trade Regulations for Outer Tibet to give effect to Articles�II, IV and V of the Convention of September�7, 1904, between Great Britain and Tibet without delay; provided always that such Regulations shall in no way modify the present Convention except with the consent of the Chinese Government.

Article 8. The British Agent who resides at Gyantse may visit Lhasa with his escort whenever it is necessary to consult with the Tibetan Government regarding matters arising out of the Convention of September�7, 1904, between Great Britain and Tibet, which it has been found impossible to settle at Gyantse by correspondence or otherwise.

Article 9. For the purpose of the present Convention the borders of Tibet, and the boundary between Outer and Inner Tibet, shall be as shown in red and blue respectively on the map attached hereto.1

Nothing in the present Convention shag be held to prejudice the existing rights of the Tibetan Government in Inner Tibet, which include the power to select and appoint the high priests of monasteries and to retain full control in all matters affecting religious institutions.

Article 10. The English, Chinese and Tibetan texts of the present Convention have been carefully examined and found to correspond, but in the event of there being any difference of meaning between them the English text shall be authoritative.

Article 11. The present Convention will take effect from the date of signature.



In token whereof the respective Plenipotentiaries have signed and sealed this Convention, three copies in English, three in Chinese and three in Tibetan.



Done at Simla this third day of July, A.D., one thousand nine hundred and fourteen, corresponding with the Chinese date, the third day of the seventh month of the third year of the Republic, and the Tibetan date, the tenth day of the fifth month of the Wood-Tiger year.

Initial of the Lonchen Shatra2 A.H.M.

Seal of the Lonchen Shatra Seal of the British

Plenipotentiary



Schedule

1. Convention between Great Britain and China relating to Sikkim and Tibet, signed at Calcutta the 17th March 1890.

2. Convention between Great Britain and Tibet, signed at Lhasa the 7th September 1904.

3. Convention between Great Britain and China respecting Tibet, signed at Peking the 27th April 1906.

The notes exchanged are to the following effect:

1. It is understood by the High Contracting Parties that Tibet forms part of Chinese territory.

2. After the selection and installation of the Dalai Lama by the Tibetan Government, the latter will notify the installation to the Chinese Government whose representative at Lhasa will then formally communicate to His Holiness the titles consistent with his dignity, which have been conferred by the Chinese Government.

3. It is also understood that the selection and appointment of all officers in Outer Tibet will rest with the Tibetan Government.

4. Outer Tibet shall not be represented in the Chinese Parliament or in any other similar body.

5. It is understood that the escorts attached to the British Trade Agencies in Tibet shall not exceed seventy-five per centum of the escort of the Chinese Representative at Lhasa.

6. The Government of China is hereby released from its engagements under Article III of the Convention of March�17, 1890, between Great Britain and China to prevent acts of aggression from the Tibetan side of the Tibet-Sikkim frontier.

7. The Chinese high official referred to in Article 4 will be free to enter Tibet as soon as the terms of Article�3 have been fulfilled to the satisfaction of representatives of the three signatories to this Convention, who will investigate and report without delay.

Initial of the Lonchen Shatra (Initialled) A.H.M.

Seal of the Lonchen Shatra Seal of the British
Plenipotentiary
Simla_Accord_Treaty_1914_Map1.jpg
1280px-Simla_Accord_Treaty_1914_Map2.jpg
1280px-McMahon_Line_Simla_Accord_Treaty_1914_Map1.jpg

Even though the Forieng and commonwelth office of the court of St james has discarded the treaty by stating
officials at the Foreign Office said "it means that, as far as Britain is concerned, 'Tibet is part of China. Full stop.'"
As per

Vienna Convention on Succession of States in respect of Treaties
1978
Done at Vienna on 23 August 1978. Entered into force on 6 November 1996.
United Nations, Treaty Series, vol. 1946, p. 3
Copyright © United Nations
2005

Articles 11 and 12 states
7
Article 11
Boundary regimes
A succession of States does not as such affect:
(a) a boundary established by a treaty; or
(b) obligations and rights established by a treaty and relating to the regime of a boundary.
Article 12
Other territorial regimes
1.A succession of States does not as such affect:
(a) obligations relating to the use of any territory, or to restrictions upon its use, established by a
treaty for the benefit of any territory of a foreign State and considered as attaching to the territories in
question;
(b) rights established by a treaty for the benefit of any territory and relating to the use, or to
restrictions upon the use, of any territory of a foreign State and considered as attaching to the territories
in question.
2.A succession of States does not as such affect:
(a) obligations relating to the use of any territory, or to restrictions upon its use, established by a
treaty for the benefit of a group of States or of all States and considered as attaching to that territory;
(b) rights established by a treaty for the benefit of a group of States or of all States and relating to the
use of any territory, or to restrictions upon its use, and considered as attaching to that territory.
3.The provisions of the present article do not apply to treaty obligations of the predecessor State
providing for the establishment of foreign military bases on the territory to which the succession of
States relates.
Article 13
The present Convention and permanent sovereignty
over natural wealth and resources
Nothing in the present Convention shall affect the principles of international law affirming the
permanent sovereignty of every people and every State over its natural wealth and resources.
Article 14
Questions relating to the validity of a treaty
Nothing in the present Convention shall be considered as prejudging in any respect any question
relating to the validity of a treaty.
 

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Hope GOI and PM is not pissed in his pants with the Rant coming from China with its political and diplomatic moes .. We should bloody summon the chinese envoy and tell him to stop this bull shit rant they are creating and also to clearly remind then that meddling in kashmir will be crossing the red line ..The silence is very scary from our side looks like our guys realised they had stepped on a dragon tail without knowing how to tame the dragon now keeping silence and seeing what dragon s next move .. Get ready to see some lots of unrest and fireworks in kashmir and North east brothers Chinks are really going to throw everything in their armour of geopolitical games now on us for sure .. Looks like 2019 War is slowly budding on the cards .. Hope Backistan is ready to take the war in its back for chinese brother ...

I wouldn't say that.

In fact, silence hurts more than words. If India remains silent, it will irk china even more.

Also, India can't just keep releasing statements within minutes of the chinese blurting something out. If India keeps giving replies, this means that they are paying far more attention to China than they deserve. That also is a sign of weakness.

No point in backing down now. China has been using these scare tactics since ages. Not only against India. Look at Taiwan, they know how to reply the chinese in their own words. Despite being such a small & easily conquerable land right next to and well within reach of china, the way they reply the chinese is amazing. What have the chinese done in return? Virtually every large power in the world supports one china policy and still china hasn't attacked or conquered taiwan.

Remember, this isn't 1962. Both sides have grown. India is more aware of the chinese betrayal. If the chinese attack India, the results may not be the same as 1962. Besides, the loss of economy cannot be sustained by chinese if it is a full scale conventional war. The damage done by our air force and missiles along the NE border alone will be alarming for the chinese.

Needless to say, in a Indo-China war, both sides will lose. I do not think and really hope that the chinese gov. is not dumb enough like their foreign minister. They will retaliate, sure. But without war. There maybe policy changes, increased support to porkis etc.
 

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The chinese are never going to take on us directly ,, they will invoke their immortal slave army the goatfukirs of the western land and will engage with us through them and they will clearly meddle in kashmir more no wonder why we see Farook abdulah making all kind of shit statements like Jihad and stone pelting he is licking chinese boots now i believe for more higher pay ...Well war wont be easy for China for sure we will make some dent if not win but it will be disaster for us that s the only worry .. And if we are hit badly i wish our guys just simply nuke the chinese without hesitation


I wouldn't say that.

In fact, silence hurts more than words. If India remains silent, it will irk china even more.

Also, India can't just keep releasing statements within minutes of the chinese blurting something out. If India keeps giving replies, this means that they are paying far more attention to China than they deserve. That also is a sign of weakness.

No point in backing down now. China has been using these scare tactics since ages. Not only against India. Look at Taiwan, they know how to reply the chinese in their own words. Despite being such a small & easily conquerable land right next to and well within reach of china, the way they reply the chinese is amazing. What have the chinese done in return? Virtually every large power in the world supports one china policy and still china hasn't attacked or conquered taiwan.

Remember, this isn't 1962. Both sides have grown. India is more aware of the chinese betrayal. If the chinese attack India, the results may not be the same as 1962. Besides, the loss of economy cannot be sustained by chinese if it is a full scale conventional war. The damage done by our air force and missiles along the NE border alone will be alarming for the chinese.

Needless to say, in a Indo-China war, both sides will lose. I do not think and really hope that the chinese gov. is not dumb enough like their foreign minister. They will retaliate, sure. But without war. There maybe policy changes, increased support to porkis etc.
 

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Ok, @Flame Thrower and others, Dalailama is not exactly pro HIndu or pro Indian.

Check his old statements,
Bihar results show Hindu belief in religious harmony: Dalai Lama
TERMING RELIGIOUS harmony in India “remarkable”, Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama Saturday said the results of the Bihar assembly elections had shown that “a majority of Hindus believed in religious harmony”.
In a reply to a question on “religious intolerance” in India, he said that politics meant serving the people effectively and “not creating problems”.
Dalai Lama, Tarek Fatah and some other people, they are not exactly our assets. Most likely borrowed assets.

We are not living in Sathya Yuga to believe every person 100%. Lets draw lines. No free meals. No free support. The only person you can trust 100% is yourselves. That too under the circumstances of your control.
 

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Dalai Lama's visit to Arunachal may force Beijing to 'interfere' in Kashmir issue: Chinese media

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...desh-zhu-weiqun-sino-india-ties/1/921699.html



:pound::pound::pound: chincoms ass is burning
'Force Beijing to interfere in Kashmir', it says? Check this out.....

1. Beijing is in illegal possession of 5000sq km of Kashmir territory in the Shagsgam Valley gifted by its concubine, Pakistan in the 60s.

2. China has 11,000 personnel including troops, engineers and workers stationed in GB since the last two years for so called 'infrastructure development'. They have built permanent housing colonies for the Chinese there. (Even the Pakis need permits to enter these areas controlled by the Chinese!)

3. Chinese troops (Marines) have been co-opted with the Paki Army to defend Chinese interests along the CPEC including in POK and GB.

4. They are pressurizing Pak to amalgamate GB as its 5th province in spite of the fact that Pak is in illegal possession of the area, so the CPEC can progress without interference especially from India as it will no longer be considered 'disputed'

5. China is building the CPEC on territory that belongs to India. Even if it is called 'disputed', the Chinese cannot construct any infra there due to the 'dispute'.

6. The PLA regularly trains and conducts exercises with the Paki Army in POK and GB, sometimes very close to the LoC.

So the only thing left for the Chinese to do on Kashmir is to declare the whole of J&K as belonging to Pakistan! That needless to say is easier said than done!
 

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Seriously such a shame 1 fortunner and 1 endeavour for a Force which is protecting such terrain against a bully army Good work our politicians are the best .. Bastards today a street or ward councillor in municipality in anywhere in india roams in Toyota fortunner every fucking minister convoy has 10 fortunners cant we just send them 50 cars now they dont issue a tender for this special vehicle and come up with Delivery date of 36 months for this to like other defence deals ..Procrastination is the greatest disease of the Indian nation especially the politicians this kills more than any fucking virus in this country ...



Fortuner, Scorpio, snow scooter: India ups vehicle power along China border

Indian troops are now matching the Chinese army in engine power of the vehicles they use.

If the Chinese have Dongfengs, a knock-off of the famed US High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle or Humvee as they are better known, the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) -- the force that guards the Sino-India border -- is increasingly deploying Fortuners, Endeavours and Scorpios. And in the next couple of years, the ITBP intends to have Humvee like vehicles for its troops as well, possibly modified to suit Indian needs.

In the last one year, the ITBP has deployed one Toyota Fortuner and one Ford Endeavour in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh and there are around five dozen Mahindra Scorpios catering to the transportation needs of the troops.

“These vehicles have performed well during their first winter at locations where day-time sub-zero temperature is a norm,” said an ITBP official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Around 350 to 400 incidents of ‘face-off’ are reported every year on the 3,488 kilometre-long Sino-India border where troops often come face-to-face, telling each other to back off from what they perceive as their territory. The ‘face-off’ can end within minutes, hours or might even take days to resolve, like the incident that took place in Chumar area of Ladakh region when Chinese President Xi Jinping was visiting India in September, 2014.

“The vehicles uses by the Chinese can gather a speed upto 60 to 80 kms per hour on the gravel roads that they have. Our vehicles were no match to them in terms of quick deployment of troops in cases of ‘face-off’. But now six to seven persons can sit in the new vehicles with their weapons and match up to the Chinese,” said Jaivir Chaudhary, who retired as a deputy inspector general from the ITBP and served both in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh.

Chaudhary added that vehicles with powerful engines and better suspension system are a necessity at high-altitude areas.

“As of now these urban Sports Utility Vehicles are doing the job but the ITBP requires a made-to-requirement Humvee like vehicle with a patrol engine for patrolling and troop transportation. Diesel engines give starting trouble as they tend to freeze in these areas,” said Chaudhary.

For the ITBP, the SUVs are just the beginning. The force has also got five snow scooters and it recently tested all-terrain amphibious ‘caterpillar’ vehicle that rolls on a huge rubber band belt for its operational requirements in the high-altitude areas. It has decided to procure two such caterpillars also.
 

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The chinese are never going to take on us directly ,, they will invoke their immortal slave army the goatfukirs of the western land and will engage with us through them and they will clearly meddle in kashmir more no wonder why we see Farook abdulah making all kind of shit statements like Jihad and stone pelting he is licking chinese boots now i believe for more higher pay ...Well war wont be easy for China for sure we will make some dent if not win but it will be disaster for us that s the only worry .. And if we are hit badly i wish our guys just simply nuke the chinese without hesitation
That and maoists. That's how chinese can hurt us.

Pakistan Taliban is already hurting porkis for supporting USA in war on terror. We need to put fuel in that fire as porkis are now "friends" with the chinese who are openly suppressing muslims in china.
 

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Seriously such a shame 1 fortunner and 1 endeavour for a Force which is protecting such terrain against a bully army Good work our politicians are the best .. Bastards today a street or ward councillor in municipality in anywhere in india roams in Toyota fortunner every fucking minister convoy has 10 fortunners cant we just send them 50 cars now they dont issue a tender for this special vehicle and come up with Delivery date of 36 months for this to like other defence deals ..Procrastination is the greatest disease of the Indian nation especially the politicians this kills more than any fucking virus in this country ...
Let me be honest. We don't know here what is the actual requirement there. They may be only needing so many vehicles and are covered 15 scorpios as well.

I'm not dis agreeing with you. If the army needs more, more should have been provided long back. But if they only need these, then no problem.
 

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i think china need to think before mouth fart..india can easily counter china in many ways. specialy modi. SCS/one china policy/ and other things.
they cant dominate india now and future ever...
 

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Now Philipines messing with China.

Duterte just ordered his troops to occupy the disputed reefs in south china sea and erect structures there and unfold national flag.
 

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I think this was a remarkably foolish move by GOI. Geopolitics is a game of predator and prey. Unless ur prey is weaker than you and out in open, predators should best hide behind shadows and wait for right time.Coming out in open ground without a purpose even makes an elephant a target. China is definitely stronger than us. Except Russia , no country can militarily defeat China (including use of nukes), not even US. Rather than building our strength (which involves building indigenous military capability) and biding our time, GOI has exposed India through this stupid move just to spite at beijing for its support to pakiland. As for pakiland, its best to sabotage it with a shadow war rather than rely on UN sanctions which are useless anyway. GOI mandarins need a lot of tutoring on geopilitics or maybe its the hindutvavadi ruling establishment that is sinking this country's strategic profile first by openly siding with US and getting a slap in return and now this.
 

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