Why can't India do a US to the likes of Dawood, Saeed?

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Why can't India do a US to the likes of Dawood, Saeed?

Just let R&AW loose. I bet it would take a maximum of 5 years for Pakistan to disintegrate.
 

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We are discussing about Saeed. For Dawood you need to wait in the mosques he visit. Atleast on the day of Eids. Once a gang member of Chhota Rajan tried to kill Dawood outside a Karachi Mosque. But failed due to mis-timing....
Why cant we even try and release the RAW agents rotting in Pakistani jails for the past 50yrs going insane, while we talk of USA which threatened to attack if they did not release their agent who apparently shot someone point blank couple of months back. Thats the difference, i think its a good measure of an states political will to take care of its Soldiers first.
 
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Why can't India do a US to the likes of Dawood, Saeed?

Just let R&AW loose. I bet it would take a maximum of 5 years for Pakistan to disintegrate.
You're right ,For all our economic might and our country's size we have suffered so much because of ISI . I can just imagine the deep Sh*t that failed state will be if RAW did half the things ISI did to us.
 

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Why we can't do it to Saeed is beyond me, but why we can't do it to Dawood is because several politicians and businessmen have/had patronage with the D-company in Mumbai.
 

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All the politicians in INDIA are either one way or the other are related to the D-company. There must be a radical change the political system and someone powerful enough and also an youngster should hold the highest post in the country and he must act like what President OBAMA did to OBL. This will not happen ever in INDIA. People here are least bothered about others. Maximum of them are not even bothered about INDIAN ARMY and the work done by our soldiers. We, the people of INDIA are interested tin earning money and having and leading a desent lifestyle and then after all these things are sorted out, we think about our DEFENCE FORCES. No one knows how difficult it is to be a soldier. The public lacks the knowledge about the ARMED FORCES and the work they do. Only after the 26/11 Mumbai attack the public has come to know the importance of a formidable Defence Force and are starting and also are trying to know about our Defence Forces and their capabilities. This sudden wave of reviewing security of the public has made the po;itical circle to react in a proper way to upgrade the equipments of the domestic or the internal security forces and also provide them with sufficient training.
If we look at our police personals, we see lot of them having big bellys, they are not physically fit and they can't even chase a thief. These kind of people cannot catch or get engaged with a terrorist. Also there are many elderly persons who work in the police who are in lower cadres. The work done by the lower cadre is the most important one as they are the ones who are engaged in find criminals and arresting them. We should have good youngsters who are given good training and are also provided with minimal saniticed bunkers or rooms to stay when they are on duty and also proper equipment to engage in a battle if the need arises. No youngster is encouraged to get into police forces or armed forces. Everyone wanto see their sons as engineers and doctors. The youngsters who are really dedicated and interested to joim the armed forces are not given chances to join. I am also one of them, who have not had any chanes to get into the armed forces. All the people arround tell that dedication is not the only thing that a cadet should possess. They say that luck should favour you to get into the armed forces. The youngsters, if given proper opputunities and chances, can bring a change in which the whole INDAI looks. After all we are ruled bu puppets who are under the influence of somes foreign elements, who do not want to see INDIA as a SUPER POWER. Nothing can be done about this.
The present GoI or the previous GoI also lack in having a clear objective when it comes to pakistan. I don't know why they fear pakistan that much. Rather making waste comments they should act upon. Why to wait until pakistan punishes Dawood and Sayeed? Why not attack pakistan and bring an end to everything? These things can happen only when we have a clear objective and proper orders should be passed to the Armed forces such that they shall not be stopped in the middle by some political pressure. We are ruled by coilision governments were if any one of the ally in the coilision government losses his faith in the war then he may put pressure on the government and will demand to stop the war or else he will threaten to withdraw his support for the Government. He may do this to get the votes of the people of a particular area or community. Everyone in the political follow the vote bank politics method to gaing votes. This cannot be changed.
 

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At-least we can expect sanctions being slapped by all countries if not Indo-Pak war. Our netas have placed us in such a position.
 

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We all know our political leadership won't take risk in the US style operation, as they can't handle if anything goes wrong or for that matter are afraid of losing power if anything goes against us.

The RAW and IB should be given open hand in carrying out covert ops inside pakistan, let the RAW and IB with their assets carry out poisoning or killing India's most wanted just like MOSSAD goes after their work or the US and USSR were engaded in during the Cold-War Era. Thats what i think India is capable of doing and is nothing wrong in doing, and it also comes with minimal risk but the cover of our agents working in the hostile region should not be blown away at any stage of the operation and India must be prepared to bail them out of any such situation.
 

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/\/\/\ IB is for intelligence gathering inside India(sometimes, rarely in foreign lands), unlike R&AW.
 

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/\/\/\ IB is for intelligence gathering inside India(sometimes, rarely in foreign lands), unlike R&AW.
There are many ISI agents loitering freely in our cities, IB should take care of those guys and communicate any vital information recovered by the IB from them and communicate with RAW so as the enhance over HUMINT and other intelligence gathering in Pakistan which was drastically weakened during the PM Gujral was in centre. India seriously needs to buck up on intelligence gathering and Analysis front especially Pakistan and China.
 

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/\/\/\ This is one of IB's primary tasks. They are doing it even as we are speaking now. :)
 

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If anybody thinks the RAW is all saintly or impotent and is doing NOTHING inside Pak especially after the 26/11 they are mistaken.

Just see the amount of mayhem that has happened in Pak after 26/11.

I am not saying that RAW was directly responsible for all this - but an invisible hand of RAW cannot be ruled out.
 

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If anybody thinks the RAW is all saintly or impotent and is doing NOTHING inside Pak especially after the 26/11 they are mistaken.

Just see the amount of mayhem that has happened in Pak after 26/11.

I am not saying that RAW was directly responsible for all this - but an invisible hand of RAW cannot be ruled out.
Of course, we are free to delude ourselves to assure ourselves that India must be doing something or the other to hurt those trying to hurt India. But, so far, there has been no evidence. There has not even been a smoke let alone a spark except, of course, the usual pakistani lies and deceit blaming everything on India from floods to earthquakes...

The sad truth is, we have an impotent Govt or we have an impotent security establishment or both. Therefore, we are just at the mercy of other developments that are not in India's hands. Even after so many days, likes of Kasab or Afzal Guru who are already captured are not dead. When those who are captured have not been punished, what hope is there that we will do something to Dawood, Masood, Saeed, Lakhvi or Kiyani?
 

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If anybody thinks the RAW is all saintly or impotent and is doing NOTHING inside Pak especially after the 26/11 they are mistaken.

Just see the amount of mayhem that has happened in Pak after 26/11.

I am not saying that RAW was directly responsible for all this - but an invisible hand of RAW cannot be ruled out.
We don't want to see mayhem in Pakistan, we want to see the culprits of 26/11 either dead or in Indian jail. But I believe its like asking for too much, after what we witnessed in Afzal Guru case. Our government was so afraid of a defeat that we could not muster the courage to cross the LOC during Kargil War.
 

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We don't want to see mayhem in Pakistan, we want to see the culprits of 26/11 either dead or in Indian jail. But I believe its like asking for too much, after what we witnessed in Afzal Guru case. Our government was so afraid of a defeat that we could not muster the courage to cross the LOC during Kargil War.
Seeing the culprits of 26/11 in Indian jails is not going to happen. Who were the people behind 26/11? was it just a bunch of non state actors? We all know without the involvement of ISI and the Pakistani establishment an attack of that magnitude does not happen. That means the Pak authorities are also responsible.We cannot expect them to be put behind bars in India.

Causing mayhem in Pakistan is the only solution.That country should collapse within this decade. That country is based on an anti India ideology and their very existence even if its on life support is a grave threat to India. And if there is a fear about their nukes getting loose, US, China and many other countries would equally be concerned. Something will be done about their nukes.
 

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Of course, we are free to delude ourselves to assure ourselves that India must be doing something or the other to hurt those trying to hurt India. But, so far, there has been no evidence. There has not even been a smoke let alone a spark except, of course, the usual pakistani lies and deceit blaming everything on India from floods to earthquakes...
As I said, there is no proof of RAW's involvement in Pakistan, but it cannot be ruled out either.

The sad truth is, we have an impotent Govt or we have an impotent security establishment or both. Therefore, we are just at the mercy of other developments that are not in India's hands. Even after so many days, likes of Kasab or Afzal Guru who are already captured are not dead. When those who are captured have not been punished, what hope is there that we will do something to Dawood, Masood, Saeed, Lakhvi or Kiyani?
Agreed --- more on the impotent Govt part than on the impotent security establishment part. As of now we dont know if the Sec agencies are impotent or not because they have not been given a chance to prove their virility by the Govt. And as for the impotent Govt part why blame them when the people (sheeple) voted them in for two consecutive terms ? If you are genuinely interested please go and vote the next time and avoid the "Haath".

We don't want to see mayhem in Pakistan, we want to see the culprits of 26/11 either dead or in Indian jail. But I believe its like asking for too much, after what we witnessed in Afzal Guru case. Our government was so afraid of a defeat that we could not muster the courage to cross the LOC during Kargil War.
I dont agree with this part - it was a political master stroke not to cross the LoC during the Kargil War. We imprinted the boots of the Jawan on the back of the jihadis and simultaneoulsy won the diplomatic offensive worldwide by NOT crossing the LoC.

Had we crossed the LoC we would have been labelled the Aggressors by the US,China,KSA who were till them unable to support Pak openly for this very reason.
 
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As I said, there is no proof of RAW's involvement in Pakistan, but it cannot be ruled out either.
:) As I said, we can assure ourselves by fairytales...

Agreed --- more on the impotent Govt part than on the impotent security establishment part. As of now we dont know if the Sec agencies are impotent or not because they have not been given a chance to prove their virility by the Govt. And as for the impotent Govt part why blame them when the people (sheeple) voted them in for two consecutive terms ? If you are genuinely interested please go and vote the next time and avoid the "Haath".

But, what options do sheeple have? One politician is as corrupt as the other. One is inefficient, the other belongs to Haath, another wants to harvest souls, and yet another wants to handover India to china...

We need reforms...
We need option to reject all candidates.
We need compulsory voting by all people.
We need a strong EC.
We need EVMs to be verified and avoided if need be.
And We need proper awareness which can be acquired only through news, but media is hijacked by vested interests.
 

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:) As I said, we can assure ourselves by fairytales...
There is an equal chance that they are not 'just' fairytales.

But, what options do sheeple have? One politician is as corrupt as the other. One is inefficient, the other belongs to Haath, another wants to harvest souls, and yet another wants to handover India to china...
Select the less evil. I'm sure that you can do. We need people like Modi, Nitish at the helm.

Next time some one campaigns against Modi saying he is not 'secular' give him your pinky and vote for him.
 
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Select the less evil. I'm sure that you can do. We need people like Modi, Nitish at the helm.

Next time some one campaigns against Modi saying he is not 'secular' give him you pinky and vote for him.
You are spot on.Most educated Indians who keep complaining and ask for rule 49(o) ie, no vote, do not realise that it will do no good. Most of those who chose this rule are from the educated urban middle or upper class. Those people are wasting their votes. It will only be a waste of the entire election process.

When the common man goes to vote he gets to chose between the deep sea and the devil. The intelligent and responsible ones chose deep sea in the hope of staying afloat as long as they can.
All are leaders are bad in one way or the other and the only way is to chose lesser of the two evils.
 

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We can't wait for Pakistan to get crumbled on its own, one day the fall of Pakistan is for sure, but which day, is to be known.

We have to play an active role in crumbling of Pakistan, and we must prepare for worst, even nuclear exchange and trying to capture their crown jewels or a strategy to neutralize them.

US and Israel already has such strategy in place, for them its only matter of time.
 

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We can't wait for Pakistan to get crumbled on its own, one day the fall of Pakistan is for sure, but which day, is to be known.

We have to play an active role in crumbling of Pakistan, and we must prepare for worst, even nuclear exchange and trying to capture their crown jewels or a strategy to neutralize them.

US and Israel already has such strategy in place, for them its only matter of time.
Most of you guys think crumbling of Pakistan is good for India - NO.

On the contrary it is the worst possible nightmare for India with pigLETs in possesion of nuclear weapons threatening Ghazwa-e-Hind on India.

The idea is to keep Pak on a low boil - keep it occupied with its own internal problems with various insurgencies in B'stan, FATA etc with defeat going to neither side. That is the best possible scenario for India.

Neither a totally stable nor totally unstable Pak is to India's benefit.
 

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