Why can't India do a US to the likes of Dawood, Saeed?

[amitkriit]

I don't think it is about cost. I think our intelligence agencies do not have much offensive capability or people in Pakistan.How much would it cost to plant a bomb and detonate it in a place frequented by Dawood.
You need not send commandos, how about such subversive operations to eliminate a few of India's most wanted in Pakistan.
But ultimately it is a lack of political will.

That might be a wrong strategy, what will stop our politicians from using the same agencies to kill people inside our own country? Even CIA/MI6 don't have the license to kill.

 

[Param]

That might be a wrong strategy, what will stop our politicians from using the same agencies to kill people inside our own country? Even CIA/MI6 don't have the license to kill.

This is the problem with our country.Too much fear of 'what if '. By this logic our armed forces should not even be well organised because of the fear of a coup.Well officially CIA may not have a license to kill but they've sure done lots of stuff since the middle of the 20th century.

 

[Ray]

Because there are wimps in the governing realms.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Because our politicians are spine less creatures.

 

[Sabir]

We simply dont have the same capabilities to conduct a commando operation to finish Dawood or Said or Masood Azhar. CIA found Osama's security arrangement weak enough to send navy seals. If Osama were in Af-Pak border surrounded by hundereds of AQ or Taliban fighters they would have not dared such operation. They would bomb the whole area or fire some missiles. We cant afford that without risking a war. All our most wanted men are heavily guarded. But it does not mean we can not do nothing.

Pakistani criminals/dons can be bribed with amount huge money and safe heaven in other corner of the world to do the job. Said, Azhar often comes in public to give speech. It is possible to wipe them off with many of their supporters as bonus by bombing their gatherings. For Dawood you need more concrete plan though.

Teams can be formed with baluch or Afgans (need to spend a lot of money), let them practice the operations (with the help of inputs from spies who are monitoring the targets in Pakistan) in Afghanistan or somewhere else and smuggle them in Pakistan in small groups. Send them in disguise of Pakistani Army men and use similar vehicles to create confusion. They can kill our most wanted men in fire-fights. They will have a chance to cross the border before the pakistani Authority comes out of confusion. It will be amazing if a fake Pakistani commando troops with fake warrent arrest Said or Azhar and transport them near border to be air lifted to Afghanistan and then to India....

 

[Illusive]

I think Indian politicians have selected only way to deal with Pak, DIALOGUE.

India does have the military capability but lacks intel.

 

[Sabir]

There are under-world people other than Chota Rajan who will be happy to sea dawood dead....Ali Budesh a Bahrin based don...BTW I heard GOI has announced only 15 lac for Dawood's head !!!!!!!!

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/Bahrain+don+Budesh+challenges+Dawood/1/90350.html

 

[pmaitra]

Can we do it regardless of the repercussions?
Yes. We can definitely go in and kill a target and hopefully come back alive. Setting up a local intelligence network in Pakistan is also not beyond our reach.

However, we are probably not going to to do it, and that is because of the repercussions. What differentiates US from India?

• US is beyond Pakistan's reach, India is not.
• US doesn't share a border with Pakistan, India does.
• Several Islamic countries are US allies, not quite with India.
• Finally, we are not going to give aid to anything in Pakistan.

 

[amitkriit]

Can we do it regardless of the repercussions?
Yes. We can definitely go in and kill a target and hopefully come back alive. Setting up a local intelligence network in Pakistan is also not beyond our reach.

However, we are probably not going to to do it, and that is because of the repercussions. What differentiates US from India?

• US is beyond Pakistan's reach, India is not.
• US doesn't share a border with Pakistan, India does.
• Several Islamic countries are US allies, not quite with India.
• Finally, we are not going to give aid to anything in Pakistan.

Another Indo-Pak war in next 10 years will only hurt us economically, strategically, we will be playing right into the hands of China and USA if we take this path. We will have to live with our fate for next 15-20 years, then we will be militarily and economically self-sufficient to counter any evil. We are not Pakistan, we have set different goals for ourselves, we must be ready to eat our pride for the time being. Wise men tend to forgive, but never forget.

 

[Yusuf]

With gut-less corrupt CON-gress at the center, we can never see such action, as that would impede their looting spree and would block all the money they are swindling into swiss bank counts, more than that this shameless party members ruled by foreigners will fear for their lives as seen in the past! True tragedy that India has been ruled by these scoundrels for more than 55 years; and our PM MMS is a joke of the century while he pleads that he is honest and only gives his signatures for all the corrupt deals on his table and performs his Coalition dharma, truly a shameless person.

Nothing but useless rhetoric. The previous NDA did more damage to India and the morale of the forces by not showing the balls to go ahead and declare a war. A bloody costly one year mobilization that accounted for nothing but show of complete lack of courage to go to the logical conclusion. And it is the same party that handed over terrorists by personally escorting them using one of it's ministers.
When you are in a seat if power and know you will have to answer a billion people, it makes you pee in your pants. It's not so easy. Once out of power you can show all the bravado and talk whatever you want.

Problem is not which party is in power. All are the same.

 

[The Messiah]

Because there are wimps in the governing realms.

Luckily some of these old gimps from the previous era will whither away into retirement soon.

 

[The Messiah]

Another Indo-Pak war in next 10 years will only hurt us economically, strategically, we will be playing right into the hands of China and USA if we take this path. We will have to live with our fate for next 15-20 years, then we will be militarily and economically self-sufficient to counter any evil. We are not Pakistan, we have set different goals for ourselves, we must be ready to eat our pride for the time being. Wise men tend to forgive, but never forget.

Wise men also dont allow there enemies to keep on planning attacks. But i agree with your assessment that war is not favorable to us in the current climate.

Not doing anything or getting into a full war is too black and white....how about a shade of gray where we eliminate these terrorists through covert means where we could always deny involvement.

 

[Sabir]

Just imagine the situation-

A group of Pakistani commandos appear in Hafeez Sayeed's house and ask everyone to evacuate the complex as if Indians are going to attack the complex with missiles. They take Sayeed with them showing a letter or something from high-command to take him to a secret place. The motorcade of Haffez Sayeed reaches a place where couple of private choppers are waiting from him to take him and his guards to a pre-determined hideout. Sayeed has been blind-folded and sent off. The commandoes too get on the choppers. After an hour both the choppers land in India. Sayeed comes to know he has been accompanied by RAW agents disguised in Pak soldiers. A day later Indian PM announces Haffez Sayeed is in Indian custody and thanks Pakistani authority for co-operation.

All followers of Sayeed and other similar organizations who till now has considered India as enemy no one vow to avenge this batreyal by Pak govt. Others consider this incident has lowered their self-esteem. More bombing and attacks on Pakistani establishments, police stations and military compounds. Zardari and co keep on scratching head whether to reveal the truth that it was RAW agents who eloped Syeed revealing their own incopetence or take strong action against anti-Indian jihadis to stop internal turbulence....

 

[Yusuf]

Trust Sabir to come out with such scenarios. Well done and also Amen to that.

 

[pmaitra]

Just imagine the situation-

A group of Pakistani commandos appear in Hafeez Sayeed's house and ask everyone to evacuate the complex as if Indians are going to attack the complex with missiles. They take Sayeed with them showing a letter or something from high-command to take him to a secret place. The motorcade of Haffez Sayeed reaches a place where couple of private choppers are waiting from him to take him and his guards to a pre-determined hideout. Sayeed has been blind-folded and sent off. The commandoes too get on the choppers. After an hour both the choppers land in India. Sayeed comes to know he has been accompanied by RAW agents disguised in Pak soldiers. A day later Indian PM announces Haffez Sayeed is in Indian custody and thanks Pakistani authority for co-operation.

All followers of Sayeed and other similar organizations who till now has considered India as enemy no one vow to avenge this batreyal by Pak govt. Others consider this incident has lowered their self-esteem. More bombing and attacks on Pakistani establishments, police stations and military compounds. Zardari and co keep on scratching head whether to reveal the truth that it was RAW agents who eloped Syeed revealing their own incopetence or take strong action against anti-Indian jihadis to stop internal turbulence....

Not very unlikely. The Afghans (DRA KHAD) had already carried out strikes inside Pakistan along with Soviet SpetsNaz. One example is the assault in Krer, 29 March 1986.

Source: http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...syrrBz&sig=AHIEtbSBY4UVm3dpTzUF5yVhHOL5XoD_SQ

 

[KS]

Just imagine the situation-

A group of Pakistani commandos appear in Hafeez Sayeed's house and ask everyone to evacuate the complex as if Indians are going to attack the complex with missiles. They take Sayeed with them showing a letter or something from high-command to take him to a secret place. The motorcade of Haffez Sayeed reaches a place where couple of private choppers are waiting from him to take him and his guards to a pre-determined hideout. Sayeed has been blind-folded and sent off. The commandoes too get on the choppers. After an hour both the choppers land in India. Sayeed comes to know he has been accompanied by RAW agents disguised in Pak soldiers. A day later Indian PM announces Haffez Sayeed is in Indian custody and thanks Pakistani authority for co-operation.

All followers of Sayeed and other similar organizations who till now has considered India as enemy no one vow to avenge this batreyal by Pak govt. Others consider this incident has lowered their self-esteem. More bombing and attacks on Pakistani establishments, police stations and military compounds. Zardari and co keep on scratching head whether to reveal the truth that it was RAW agents who eloped Syeed revealing their own incopetence or take strong action against anti-Indian jihadis to stop internal turbulence....

The question how does the Chopper cross over into India from Pakistan ?

Solution - Take the land route used by the Afghans across the Hindukush ito Northern Afghanistan (NA stronghold) and then transport them into India.

 

[Sabir]

The question how does the Chopper cross over into India from Pakistan ?
Solution - Take the land route used by the Afghans across the Hindukush ito Northern Afghanistan (NA stronghold) and then transport them into India.

Why they will be worried if two choppers booked for a politician or for a wedding party fly in sky untill these are not from enemy country.When they will understand the choppers are crossing to India they will not have anything to do. The distance is too less. A land route is more risky as it takes more time, but very much possible. The escape route -air or land must be chalked out carefully after observing their security positions.

 

[KS]

Why they will be worried if two choppers booked for a politician or for a wedding party fly in sky untill these are not from enemy country.When they will understand the choppers are crossing to India they will not have anything to do. The distance is too less. A land route is more risky as it takes more time, but very much possible. The escape route -air or land must be chalked out carefully after observing their security positions.

Actually that would be a terrible underestimation of Pak's Air Defence capabilities. They are paranoid India-centric nation and to expect to cross the border in a heli , I think is too much, even in this situation.

The best is the land route used by the Pashtuns for centuries which no body but they know.

And another thing is once the agencies understand that Saed has been kidnapped the first place they will look is the Indo-Pak border, not the Afghan border . Another surprise.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Actually choppers flying at low altitude and below the radar range can fly unnoticed. Even if it is possible we wont and cant do that to Dawood Ibharim, when we found it so hard to kill Verappan i doubt we will go and find some on inside Pakistan.

 

[Sabir]

We are discussing about Saeed. For Dawood you need to wait in the mosques he visit. Atleast on the day of Eids. Once a gang member of Chhota Rajan tried to kill Dawood outside a Karachi Mosque. But failed due to mis-timing....