Who is the most Evil individual from the 20th century ?

Most evil of the 20th Century

  • Mao Zedong

    Votes: 19 14.7%
  • Joseph Stalin

    Votes: 12 9.3%
  • Adolf Hitler

    Votes: 26 20.2%
  • Winston Churchill

    Votes: 46 35.7%
  • Henry Kissinger

    Votes: 5 3.9%
  • Hirohito

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Jinnah

    Votes: 11 8.5%
  • Pol Pot

    Votes: 5 3.9%
  • Idi Amin

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • Yahya Khan

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Total voters
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On the contrary we are happy to continue contributing, as we have done from the start.

Back to the topic. Have you read Mudhushree's work? I only have one gripe against Churchill and that is the 1943 famine. Dresden or even the (alleged) assasination of Subash Chandra Bose can be legitimately stated to be war targets - but not 3 million civilians who were under British protection. Having said that, if there is a legitimate defence, I am happy to hear it and eat humble pie.
 

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An interesting anecdote if you are interested;

The CITY of London is the square mile within the greater London area. Here we have the banks of the world trading astronomical amount of currency. This is the birth place of the East India Company.

The CITY as its called is the only area in the whole of UK which is out of the control of British Parliament. The laws of UK do not apply in this 1 square mile zone. They have their own mayor called Lord Mayor. He is a multi billionaire. you got to be one because the development of this square mile depends on your own wealth. The people who vote for this election are the businesses within the square mile and not the few 100 people who live there. These businesses are mostly banks now but in the past it was companies like British East India Company, the various ships who undertook slave labour from Africa to the US. eVEN the Dutch East India Company was based in The City.

Wait there is more.

The City has an enforcer who sits in the parliament just behind next to the speaker. He is nominated by the City to act as someone who will not allow things done in the Parliament which would compromise the city. So much so that Vince Cable who is the current MP and also in the govt as a business incharge, wanted to prevent the UK government from permitting the banks like Lehman Bros to do shady financial deals in UK. The wall street people had already declined Goldman Sachs et al permission to do the things that they did which brought the system to its knees in 2008. However, in the CITY they were allowed to fcuk the world just like they have always done. The queen also does not control this place. She has to request an annual permission to meet the Lord Mayor. And she has to come out of Windsor or Buckingham Palace and meet the Lord Mayor at the border of the City and greater London authority area. The lord Mayor has such power.

Its this CITY who screwed India.

I am not making any of this sh*t up. Google it my friend.
I'd like to see your sources for this please. particlarly regarding this:
And she has to come out of Windsor or Buckingham Palace and meet the Lord Mayor at the border of the City and greater London authority area. The lord Mayor has such power.
Lord Mayor of London - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm not allowed to swear on here, but frankly it it is a bulls testicles.
 

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Ok, I will attempt to cure your ignorance.
Thanks. Not one of those maps showed a united country. Rather proved my point, thank you very much.

Anyone with half a brain can see that the concept of India existed for 5000 years (or more)
I think you nailed it on the head right there in the bold Mr 1/2 brain.

Your countryman Christopher Columbus landed in America and started calling the natives India's. do you want to know when that happened?
My countryman? No wonder your geography is bad. Your history is appalling

And regarding historical GDP, who cares what an insignificant british internet troll thinks. Facts are not established by clowns like you. Your ancestors did try the whole Aryan invasion bull and indoctrinated us with that. now with genome mapping we know that was a crock of shit.
Oh dear. You've failed on picking me up for any of your supposed points
You've failed to prove your point about droning on about Arrse
You've failed on your point in showing India as one united country ever
Your geography is appalling
Your history knoe=wledge is laughable
You're now accusing me of being a troll.

Oh well, stop crying princess. Wipe your eyes, clear the froth off your screen and go and see mummy for some hot cocoa. Night night
 

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grammer nazi...i couldn't care less about spellings. english isn't my mother tongue but since it is yours you shouldn't be making any mistakes. i see that you forgot to add a fullstop after you completed your sentence. :D
Well you did say Enlish and Nazi were the same :cool:

If I pulled you up about every spelling, you'd have a point, such as your use of lower case'i's' but I didn't. I just used your use of the word illiterate to prove a point which has certainly got a bite.

FWiW, I'm not a grammar nazi unlike Ray on Arrse who when hoisted by his own petard (pulled up for it), threw a hissy fit (got extremely defensive and angry)

I do forget many on here do not use English as their primary language and it's one thing I will apologise for.
 

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On the contrary we are happy to continue contributing, as we have done from the start.

Back to the topic. Have you read Mudhushree's work? I only have one gripe against Churchill and that is the 1943 famine. Dresden or even the (alleged) assasination of Subash Chandra Bose can be legitimately stated to be war targets - but not 3 million civilians who were under British protection. Having said that, if there is a legitimate defence, I am happy to hear it and eat humble pie.
I think the gentleman with the French flag has mentioned a number of reasons that Churchill cannot be solely to blame. What hasn't been mentioned was that "there was a bl00dy war on!"

I don't want anyone to eat humble pie, just have a sense of perspective.

Please don't get me started on Bose or Pmaitra will get upset :)
 

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Churchill killed more people than hitler.
Good point, well debated.:rolleyes: Now, show me where he directly said,"let them starve" and was directly responsible for those deaths rather than other factors coming into play such as local officials, your system of disseminating food, etc etc and one other minor point "there was a war on old boy".

As Hitler preached anti-semetism and signed the order(s)/legislation he can be called as being directly responsible.
 

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It's now 30%? Are you sure it's not 50%? 60%? 100%? I never said it didn't, but you're comparing GDP of 1700 with that of 1947. It's like saying Germany's (which didn't exist either) was 10% in 1700 and in 1947 was 0.0001%. Use a proper comparator
Read carefully, I clearly said the "Indian Subcontinent's" GDP

It is, so why are you comparing a none Westphalian state of 1700 to a Westphalian state of 1947
I'm not really hung up on the term "nation state". Rather, I was referring to the fact that Indian subcontinent has been under centralized rule numerous times.

1700 to pre-1947 is period where fragmentation occurred, which was exploited by the East Indian Company

Really? The Mughals came from where? Their origin? Any nation which expands it's border into another nation imposing its will etc on that neighbour is colonsing is it not? Colonization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The term used was "Colonial Power". Mughal Empire was based in India, the wealth stayed in Hindustan and the elites (from central asia) intermarried and got digested into the genepool.

btw the term you're looking for is Colonialism Colonialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do they still? 67 years after the end of World War 2 they don't seem to have a caste system anymore. In fact, they're a huge economy aided by the masses of wealth pumped into them at the end of the war. Same as Germany.
They had a massive reform movement under the Meiji restoration period (1868). Japanese economy and social advancements is mainly due 100 years of industrialization during Meiji and Taisho period
 

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Read carefully, I clearly said the "Indian Subcontinent's" GDP
I'm unsure where this will end. Will someone just come up with one set of stats? After all, I keep getting fed from 20% to 30%. It's like drawing a border, albeit the sub continent of India is now used. Are you sure you don't want to include Malaysia as well? After all, we colonised them.

I'm not really hung up on the term "nation state". Rather, I was referring to the fact that Indian subcontinent has been under centralized rule numerous times.
Centralised rule? Really? Every map wacktrack (or whatever his name is) always showed different nations.

If you're not hung up on 'nation state' why use it?

1700 to pre-1947 is period where fragmentation occurred, which was exploited by the East Indian Company
I think you'll find we never controlled the entire sub continent in 1700 or even in 1800. Any more 'facts'?

Last I saw was a number of princedoms all fighting each other. Thank you Mir Jafar

The term used was "Colonial Power". Mughal Empire was based in India, the wealth stayed in Hindustan and the elites (from central asia) intermarried and got digested into the genepool.
So very much like the East India Company then? You still refuse to see the point about where they came from I see. What they did when they arrived....

btw the term you're looking for is Colonialism Colonialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Am I? Thank you.

They had a massive reform movement under the Meiji restoration period (1868). Japanese economy and social advancements is mainly due 100 years of industrialization during Meiji and Taisho period
The point being that they got rid of their feudal system extremely quickly and thirty years later are beating up Russians.

How long has India been independent again?
 

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I'm unsure where this will end. Will someone just come up with one set of stats? After all, I keep getting fed from 20% to 30%. It's like drawing a border, albeit the sub continent of India is now used. Are you sure you don't want to include Malaysia as well? After all, we colonised them.
Culturally (and geographically Indian Plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) speaking, Indian Subcontinent lies roughly between the Sindhu in the West and Brahmaputra in the East


Centralised rule? Really? Every map wacktrack (or whatever his name is) always showed different nations.

If you're not hung up on 'nation state' why use it?
Different empires most of them with a power center in the Indo-Gangetic plains, the intention was to highlight centralized rule. I never used the term 'nation state'

I think you'll find we never controlled the entire sub continent in 1700 or even in 1800. Any more 'facts'?
Did I say that British controlled the entire subcontinent during that period ? The transition from centralized to chaotic rule was a cyclical phenomenon, death of Aurangzeb after 1700 was the beginning of a period of chaos.


So very much like the East India Company then? You still refuse to see the point about where they came from I see. What they did when they arrived....
Not even close. East India company was linked to the already well established British Empire and assisted them in expansionism


The point being that they got rid of their feudal system extremely quickly and thirty years later are beating up Russians.

How long has India been independent again?
Japan was never under colonial rule.
 

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Culturally (and geographically Indian Plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) speaking, Indian Subcontinent lies roughly between the Sindhu in the West and Brahmaputra in the East
Okay, so are we going final on this area and the figure of 30%?

Different empires most of them with a power center in the Indo-Gangetic plains, the intention was to highlight centralized rule. I never used the term 'nation state'
To be frank I'm wondering what your point is now. Are you trying to say 'Indian sub continent' and '30% percentage of world trade' it possessed as you're spending an awful lot of time going round the houses.

Shall we agree on 'Indian sub continent' and '30% percentage of world trade' ?

Did I say that British controlled the entire subcontinent during that period ? The transition from centralized to chaotic rule was a cyclical phenomenon, death of Aurangzeb after 1700 was the beginning of a period of chaos
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Right ..... This is like pulling teeth. Are you now going to have some fixed dates?

Not even close. East India company was linked to the already well established British Empire and assisted them in expansionism
So the E I Company wasn't based in India and put back some of the resources/wealth it 'looted' back into it's own company then?

Japan was never under colonial rule.
Right, so it's the Brits fault that sixty five years after you 'kicked us out' that you haven't moved on from that feudal system? Nothing to do with what you've spent your money on since 1947? :rolleyes:
 

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Okay, so are we going final on this area and the figure of 30%?



To be frank I'm wondering what your point is now. Are you trying to say 'Indian sub continent' and '30% percentage of world trade' it possessed as you're spending an awful lot of time going round the houses.

Shall we agree on 'Indian sub continent' and '30% percentage of world trade' ?
Err...you're the one who's determined to obfuscate the issue. Stressing on exact percentages and precise land areas.

Feel free to make calculations based on this chart


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Right ..... This is like pulling teeth. Are you now going to have some fixed dates?
Google is your friend

So the E I Company wasn't based in India and put back some of the resources/wealth it 'looted' back into it's own company then?
East Indian company was affiliated to the British Crown. Mughals were not a part of any preexisting Empire

Right, so it's the Brits fault that sixty five years after you 'kicked us out' that you haven't moved on from that feudal system? Nothing to do with what you've spent your money on since 1947? :rolleyes:
On the contrary, India has made significant strides in all social and economic indices. Looting of hard collateral like Gold and Silver did make a difference yes.
 

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^ Our GDP hovered around the same level until the arrival of the british where it plumets for the first time in Indian history.
 

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Err...you're the one who's determined to obfuscate the issue. Stressing on exact percentages and precise land areas.
Am I? I just want to know when someone is going to stick to one area and one percentage

Feel free to make calculations based on this chart
I see India dwindling with America and Japan rising. That wouldn't have happened if the Brits (Portugese, French, Chinese or Russians) hadn't arrived?

Google is your friend
Thank you, some facts at last.

East Indian company was affiliated to the British Crown. Mughals were not a part of any preexisting Empire
Oh dear. You can't answer the point without destroying your own premise.

On the contrary, India has made significant strides in all social and economic indices. Looting of hard collateral like Gold and Silver did make a difference yes.
Good god, when are you going to take responsibility for yourselves then? Fifty years time? A hundred? Or will it always be Britains fault?

We looted plenty thanks. When you conquer Britain, please help yourself to any of our (and your) baubles you want.

I guess what you don't want to mention and are frankly afraid to do is the spending of your money on a number of other projects rather than social reform. Still, it's your money and there's always the 'old colonial masters' to blame...... Forever ............... And ever ......

I personally think its time to grow up and face the world on your own two feet without continually leaning on that old crutch of colonial oppression.
 

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^ Our GDP hovered around the same level until the arrival of the british where it plumets for the first time in Indian history.
Yours? Or the Indian sub continents? It also doesn't cover 'independent Indian sub continent' or that controlled by the British.

Then again, whenever a country is conquered it loses it's share to the conquerors. Maybe yours will go down again when the Chinese take over?

Next point
 

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What is an 'Evil person'? first tell that...the term is kind of vague.
 

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Fixed that for you, no charge and to prove that 65 years of independence hasn't helped :cool:
Scalie it gives me great pleasure in making you look stupid again. a small matter with the fix you did with Messiah's spelling.


Originally Posted by The Messiah
Agreed.

Trains and port would have been built by the local kings although a bit later but we'd be way richer off.

Remember the british didn't merely loot us! they dismantled our industries so that we couldn't even earn. If they had only looted us then we would have recovered much earlier but we were left where we had no industries and 90% of the population was illitrate. Thus there impact lasts till today.
The correct way to spell it would be illiterate. I told ya i'l whack ya. Stay in line or the straight jacket comes out next.
 
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