What is the least violent solution to Kashmir you can imagine?

[OneGrimPilgrim]

But unfortunately Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan are lining up for Visa and pR in India. Love Jehad on roll in Pakistan and Kashmir valley.

Flood Kashmir valley and infiltrate POK with Nagas, Garhwalis, Gurkhas and give them a free hand to tackle , within two months the whole situation will favor India.

India can take a cue from cheen.

 

[Screambowl]

but aren't they rebelling against the pakistani rule? few months back, what was that int'l meet where this issue was raised by India and I think some reps from PoK themselves? just a few days prior that, IndiaTV had showed footages from that place of how people are rallying against the oppressive paki military rule; looked as if another Balochistan kind-of freedom-struggle is in the making.

Those were people from Gilgit protesting against merging with Azad Kashmir(POK) and to granting them status of Province as they situation there is worst than Balochistan.

 

[OneGrimPilgrim]

Those were people from Gilgit protesting against merging with Azad Kashmir(POK) and to granting them status of Province as they situation there is worst than Balochistan.

but I remember the report citing it being specifically from PoK. can't find any video of it on youtube. it was shown in the 'aap ki baat' show. massive protests, calls for armed resistance, people shouting over mikes and lambasting pakis, etc.
found a thread on the issue here itself (but its old) - http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/pakistan-occupied-kashmirs-struggle-for-freedom.32221/

 

[Screambowl]

but I remember the report citing it being specifically from PoK. can't find any video of it on youtube. it was shown in the 'aap ki baat' show. massive protests, calls for armed resistance, people shouting over mikes and lambasting pakis, etc.
found a thread on the issue here itself (but its old) - http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/pakistan-occupied-kashmirs-struggle-for-freedom.32221/

Yes because people from Gilgit (POK) don't really call themselves Kashmiris or sometimes Pakistanis. They are highly frustrated with Paki Administration.

That area is Shia majority area of Twelver(sect of Shia Islam) and highly diverse in culture and Islamic sects. Even the Language spoken is diverse in every region.

Best area where India can create it's influence, after Balochistan. If sunnis target shias in Kashmir, people from gilgit will be upset.

 

[avknight1408]

Maybe We should have done something when we had 95000 Pak PoW.

 

[roma]

compare our do nothing, peaceful , article 370 , allowing pundits to be kicked out out Kashmir without taking retaliatory action approach and contrast it with the way ccpchina treats the people in neighbouring xinjiang

http://tribune.com.pk/story/912878/...ern-civilisation-to-xinjiang/#comment-4081893
quote:-
China's military on mission to bring 'modern civilisation' to Xinjiang
BEIJING: China’s military must bring “modern civilization” to the restive southern areas of the Xinjiang region, where Muslim ethnic Uighurs are in majority, and help develop its economy, two senior army officers wrote in an influential journal.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/912878/chinas-military-on-mission-to-bring-modern-civilisation-to-xinjiang/
Hundreds have died in violence in Xinjiang in the past few years. The government blames the unrest on separatists who want to establish an independent state called East Turkestan.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/912878/chinas-military-on-mission-to-bring-modern-civilisation-to-xinjiang/
Writing in the latest edition of the bimonthly Communist Party magazine Qiushi, the commander of the southern Xinjiang military region Li Haiyang and its military commissar Miao Wenjiang said that soldiers must “ardently love” the area.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/912878/chinas-military-on-mission-to-bring-modern-civilisation-to-xinjiang/
Read: Displaced dreams: Uighur families have no place to call home in G-B
http://tribune.com.pk/story/912878/chinas-military-on-mission-to-bring-modern-civilisation-to-xinjiang/
“We must cherish ethnic unity like we take care of our eyes and … nestle together with people of all ethnic groups as close as pomegranate seeds,” they wrote.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/912878/chinas-military-on-mission-to-bring-modern-civilisation-to-xinjiang/
Experts say employment discrimination, fueled by an influx of ethnic majority Han Chinese taking up jobs, has fueled resentment and unrest among Uighurs

end of quote

so what do you think the soldiers are going to do in xinjiang ? ....start becoming farmers ? opening corner shops ?

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1. Build Great wall of india along LOC. Lay landmines across it. The terrorists should go straight to their 72virgins.
2. Finish Kashmir Railway. Once all weather link to the rest of country is complete, industries and tourism will grow and economy will prosper.

Most practical and realistic solution....Make the line of control international border....open trade routes with Pakistan and China....business corridors and silk routes....massive program to educate people and provide health care to masses. When people are smart and prosperous, borders will become irrelevant as the hearts will be open and receptive. Lets march to future with positivity and hope...towards win win win situation.(India,China plus Pakistan..all together) Vasu Deva Kutumbakam ...in practice.

yeah make the loc the intl boundary - and give GB away to pak ...... are you descended from the HH J Neh family ? another wants to build great wall along LOC and give away ! great !

@Mad Indian

 

[SANITY]

Indian author moots confederation to settle Kashmir issue

NEW DELHI: Indian Vice President Hamid Ansari on Wednesday released a book that calls for a confederation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh but without undoing the partition as the only way to address poverty and resolve the Kashmir dispute.

“Common action is easier on areas of convergence than of divergence,” Mr Ansari said. For convergence, there is a need to move “beyond the traditional paradigm of conventional security into those of human security and human wrong. Both are ignored by the governments and societies in our region. There is a crying need for the recognition and implementation of both. Only then would we develop the perception and capacity for correctives.”

Mr Kulkarni said his book sought to ‘harmonise’ the nationalism of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. “The people and governments of our three countries should refuse to remain prisoners of the past. We must create a better future for our coming generations, a future of peace, shared progress, eradication of poverty, justice and dignity for every human being in our subcontinent. To do so is our moral responsibility towards humanity. After all, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh have the world’s largest number of poor, deprived and divided people with common civilisational ancestry. Besides, neither India nor Pakistan nor Bangladesh can develop to their full potential without transitioning from discord to concord, from hostility to cooperation.”

 

[Indx TechStyle]

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[Mikesingh]

My solution is in two parts: violent and non-violent.

The first part is simple. Raise and fund as many pro-Indian militias as possible. Some should be formed of renegade militants, some should be raised by Pandits and funded by RSS (who the IA should arm and hide weapons in their settlements).

Just like the Congress that supported Bhindranwala in Punjab and screwed it up even more with the Khalistan movement? It's like raising snakes in your backyard. This is exactly what also happened in the case of the terrorist groups raised, funded and armed by Pak's ISI. The breakaway TTP was formed which is screwing the Pakis - the hand that once fed them.

You want a similar situation to come about with armed gangs ruling the roost? Remember the Salwa Judum in Naxal infested areas? They had to be decommissioned too as they had become a law unto themselves and another armed 'terror' organization running riot in the area.

Bad idea! Period!

 

[angeldude13]

Take away their power i.e article 370. There will be riots after the removal of article 370 which can again be used in our favor as we can use this as an excuse to round up the separatists to kill them in masses then blame it on the terrorist or non state actors. Shoot some more trouble causing civilians and in few days riots will be over. Send in the armed U.P and Bihari populace to harass and subjugate the local population. Viola you'll have your trouble free kashmir

 

[mayfair]

Nasbandi of all the Sunni Muslims in the entire state.

 

[tarunraju]

The least violent solution:

• India scraps Article 370 from the Constitution, grants independence to Jammu & Kashmir for exactly one millisecond, and annex it. Then reintegrate it as a regular state (with the same rights, privileges, and constitutional status as Maharashtra or Bihar).
• India arrests and kills the entire leadership of the Hurriyat movement in one fell swoop
• India trifurcates Jammu and Kashmir into Jammu state, the union territory of Kashmir, and the union territory of Ladakh.
• India incentivizes investments and industrialization of the J&K component territories, with Article 370 gone, it sets up new planned garrison cities with migration from the rest of India.
• India withdraws from the ceasefire agreement
• India allows border skirmishes with Pakistan to escalate into limited war, cross LoC, and recover strategic points in PoK from each skirmish

^Those steps are less violent than sustaining a status quo.

Demonetization proves that this government can take big steps without anyone having a clue about it.

 

[Compersion]

Bangladesh needs to have its areas be realigned due to the history and facts.

It is holding and having too much land and territory that belongs to India.

Especially on chicken neck and also on the east where India is (denied) connection to Ocean.

also

The population of Hindus in Bangladesh used to be 30% + . The above (land transfer - held on lease??) is probably below if not near about 30% .
And I am sure the message is

"Bangladesh interlocutors discussed and offered to India land in return for pact (no-war) as well as devolution of its status to a confederation." and "India replied that such needs to be done according to facts and principle".

The map of the east needs to be the reality and truth. Bhutan is the model. Bangladesh has had a amicable and amiable neighbour.

Is it obvious that other does not want India to achieve such status.

We must not wait for what others want. And also we must not feel shy about our capabilities and strength to look and go beyond to our destined, deserved and rightful progression based on principle of truth and righteousness. We need to play and make such moves. If something is easy why take the hard way.

 

[Compersion]

The least violent way:

Maldives joins the union of the Republic of India.

Two-Nation theory is thrown in the dustbin. Question moves to land and accordingly the borders, demography and geography is re-shaped.

Pakistan is no longer Pakistan but four states. If that is under the Republic of India is moot.

 

[airtel]

spread feminism in Kashmir :bounce::bounce::bounce:

 

[tarunraju]

spread feminism in Kashmir :bounce::bounce::bounce:

Nobody takes the global feminist movement seriously because of its double-standards for Islam, and non-participation of Muslim women.

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Violence was not chosen by India, it was chosen by the other side; so it is not India's call to decide violent or non-violent. When faced with violence by clearly evil expansionist intolerant force, to suggest that it is the responsibility of India to look for non-violent ways to respond would be naivety, or an excuse for cowardice, and indirectly supporting violence of the aggressor.

But 'least violent' is an interesting choice of words. Thread title actually advocates violent solution!

 

[tarunraju]

But 'least violent' is an interesting choice of words. Thread title actually advocates violent solution!

There is no non-violent solution to Kashmir. Even handing it over with a gift-wrap to Pakistan won't be non-violent.