Waiting for the day Pakistan becomes Syria. Alternatively, why can’t Pakistan become India

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Waiting for the day Kashmir joins Pakistan: Nawaz Sharif
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Waiting for the day Pakistan becomes Syria. Alternatively, why can’t Pakistan become India

Alternatively, why can’t Pakistan become India
Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, in his first public address at Muzaffarabad, following his return from London after open-heart surgery in May, urged Kashmiris on 22nd July ‘not to forget those in held Kashmir who are sacrificing their lives to their movement for freedom’. Stating that ‘we are waiting for the day Kashmir becomes Pakistan,’ the premier asked the crowd to cheer for Pakistan, POK and freedom of India-held Kashmir. Nawaz’ rhetoric is understandable. He is fresh from open-heart surgery in London amidst fear of army take over. Long absence has threatened his very presence and political existence. He has no plausible explanation to offer on Panama money which is indicative of rampant loot and plunder threatening whether there will be something left of a state called Pakistan.
With so many things on his plate Kashmir should have been the last of his worries. But politicians thrive on rhetoric. Stuck to Kashmir, Pakistan has wasted enough resources (both human and material) for long seventy years while other countries marched on. The whole nation buys hawkish claims, nobody harbours rational thinking. Politicians from General Ayub to Musharraf to Nawaz Sharif have used Kashmir to fool Pakistani people. The current dispensation is foolish enough to trust a few stone-pelting youths to deliver Kashmir to Pakistan. Nawaz invests in Panama, holidays in Dubai and gets treated in London but when at home sings Kashmir tune as Pak youth risk their life and limbs for asylum in Europe. He should answer some tough questions as to why, after presenting himself and his family for accountability three times, is he running away from it? Pakistan continues to reap what it sows. By every measure, Pakistan is a nation in regression. Why should Kashmiris ever wish to be with this regressive country?
On the contrary India has done for Kashmir what Pakistan can never dream of. Starting from 1947 when Pakistan pushed uncultured barbarians into the valley who indulged in mass rape and loot, it was India which saved the Kashmiri women from the horror within few hours notice. That’s why Jammu and Kashmir assembly in 1952 overwhelmingly voted to be part of India. India has poured thousands of crores into its development. Kashmir with its traditional Hindu background and Sufi moorings provides right cultural milieu for full integration with India. Pak promoted insurgency in the valley notwithstanding, Indian security agencies exercise exemplary restraint in stark contrast to Pak army genocide of innocent Balochs in Balochistan. Whole world knows what Pakistan does to its fellow Muslim brethren- be it Indian Muslims (derisively called as Mohajirs), Shias, Ahmedias, Bangladesh Muslims or Afghan Muslims.
India allows elected Kashmiri representatives to sit in Indian parliament whereas representatives from Pak Occupied Kashmir have no place in Pakistan’s national assembly. Same may not happen for another 100 years. Pakistan should have ‘nothing’ to do with what India and Kashmiris want to do with Kashmir. By their good luck, Kashmiris are with India-the world’s most promising democratic, secular, pluralistic, and multi-cultural nation with very promising future. Those Kashmiris who are feeling that they will be happier in Pakistan, are the most misguided lot. Nawaz’s hawkish remarks are just for electoral consumption to raise good sales pitch for re-election by outshouting the PPP thus helping divert attention from the internal problems, like Panamagate and domestic opposition. Talk of merging Kashmir with Pak sounds nice and pleasing but nobody wants to understand how Pakistan which could not afford to pay for 8 F-16s- can handle millions of Kashmiris. Rhetoric and day dreaming will not end. Nawaz is well aware that his wish will never come through in his life nor Pak Army is in favour of resolving the Kashmir dispute, for fear of puncturing their bloated existence.
The predicament of Pakistan which is sitting on the tender box of terror is understandable. Good terrorists like Hafiz Sayeed, could get disenchanted one day. And there are too many of them. It won’t take them long to convert Pakistan into a Syria. One sarcastic comment on social media has put Nawaz’s comment in its place. “Kashmir along with USA and Europe will soon become part of Pakistan. We are all anxiously waiting for that great day, along with Nawaz”.
Now that POK elections are over, electoral politics of unrealistic claims and hawkish promises should make way for real politics. All through the history of modern state system, diplomacy, not war like tactics, has helped resolve conflicts. Time for saner talks, now. The trend could be disturbing, otherwise. If Nawaz wants Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan, why can’t Modi want Pakistan to be a part of India? Modi could very well say: ‘We are waiting for the day Pakistan becomes India.’ And the comment won’t be too much off the mark given the countries common cultural link, Pakistan’s dwindling international image as promoters of terror and its ‘failed state’ status.
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Answer is simple. You have to see where the priorities are. You or I could bad mouth Pt. Nehru for all his fiasco and mild nature in handling international politics, but he was a visionary and had set one thing right at the very first place.
During his first state visit to US in 1949, after the first Kashmir War, he asked for help in setting up of world class educational institute in India instead of Military aid unlike what Liaquat Ali Khan did in the name of strategic importance.
So Pakistan could never be India, but on the other hand we would have to reign ourself to get lowered down into Pakistan.
 

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Poor Nawaz on the right path till chhota (Terrorist Sharif came in) . He has taken porkistan in ban and sabotaged all efforts of Modi and Nawaz of improving relations. All porki so called moderates like Nazam shetty and others have changed their voice out of fear of terrorist chota sharif. Chota sharif successed in spoiling the relations with india but porkies have to pay the price. Modi aggressively isolated Porkistan from all over the world and it is now rushing very fast on the top position of failed state. It is regressing on all parameter. Porkies have sold their self respect to china. Beautiful dream of deeper than sea and higher than mountain friendship is dying at its natural death, Those porkies who were thrilled from chinese friendship are openly opposing the exploitation of porkies by china. Chabbahar deal has puncture the balloon of Porki chinki friendship. From Baluchistan to scindh and POK, unrest is erupting every where. Porkies are on their way to natural death. You shall soon see the uncivilized nation created on the ideology of hate will meet its logical end.
 

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People who say that normal Pakistanis are not bad are living in their own la-la land. It's the same scums who finance and fund these Jihadist organizations and provide moral support and manpower.
Who we are fooling to??
As an Indian it's our moral obligation to help our forces to destroy this terror breeding nest aka Pakistan
 

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The pak bitching on Kashmir is understandable..
The whole hype of it now is because of CPEC.. and the money the pak establishment and its non state military can loot later and they can squeeze china for "protection of assets" much later .. :D

The puppet PM of pakistan who is eying for the next election wants to "show" enough commitment to development with CPEC inorder to make himself relevant in civilian politics overshadowed by pak military.

And the pakis will do any foolish drama in front of an international audience now that the chinese pressure on pakistani butt is very real.



Pak-China economic corridor problems over disputed Kashmir region
Pakistan’s much publicised $46 billion economic corridor with China has run into rough weather, with Beijing expressing reservations over the development of the route across parts of Kashmir claimed by India.

The army has backed the civilian government on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) project, but opposition parties have expressed reservations over its route and frequent changes being made to it.


There are several legal issues on which the Chinese have expressed reservations, including the development of the route through the Gilgit-Baltistan region because it is seen as disputed territory with India.


Gilgit-Baltistan or the Northern Areas, which has been in dispute since the Partition, is claimed by India. The Chinese have expressed concerns about the legality of any work undertaken across territory that is the subject of an international dispute.

A senior Chinese official told the Pakistani media that “China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory”.

Opposition parties have threatened protests if Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s government ignores smaller provinces in favour of his home province of Punjab for the location of projects.

The Chinese government’s patience has apparently been exhausted and a statement from the Chinese embassy in Islamabad, which broke its silence in an unusual move, shed light on Beijing’s frustration at roadblocks placed by different quarters in Pakistan.


The Chinese embassy asked all quarters to resolve their differences. “China hopes that the relevant parties in Pakistan could strengthen communication and coordination on the CPEC to create favourable conditions for the project,” the embassy said in a statement.


Asked to comment on recent developments linked to the project, the embassy’s spokesperson said, “The CPEC is the consensus reached between China and Pakistan, and has won popular support from the two peoples. The CPEC faces Pakistan as a whole, and will bring development and benefits to the people of Pakistan.”

But opposition parties are not impressed. Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf leader Shah Mehmood Qureshi said his party had given an assurance that it will not do any politics on the project. “But we have reasonable doubts about the federal government. The PML-N government is not taking us into confidence on many issues,” he said.

The strongest opponent to the project is the government of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province, whose chief minister Pervez Khattak said on Monday the prime minister needs to clear the air on commitments made on the western route during an all parties conference (APC).

The Khyber-Paktunkhwa government will make one last effort for reconciliation on the CPEC in a proposed meeting with Prime Minister Sharif “before taking any extreme measures”, he said.

There are complaints about lack of transparency in the award of contracts and observers say it is unclear which projects will go ahead and which have been shelved.

Local labour leaders have expressed reservations over a decision by Chinese contractors to employ Chinese nationals at construction sites. A report by the Pakistan Labour Institute said many of these Chinese workers are members of the People’s Liberation Army. Pakistani officials have not commented on these allegations.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...hmir-region/story-L7K0lbxpb6bsRFG9mulN7H.html

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Seems like Syria is much better than pakistan...


http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/compare/syria/pakistan

If you lived in Pakistan instead of Syria, you would:
MAKE 39.2% LESS MONEY EVERY YEAR
LIVE 1.4 YEARS LESS
BE 3.64 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE IN YOUR INFANCY

BE 62.9% LESS LIKELY TO BE UNEMPLOYED
BE 87.4% MORE LIKELY TO BE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE


 

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The pak bitching on Kashmir is understandable..
The whole hype of it now is because of CPEC.. and the money the pak establishment and its non state military can loot later and they can squeeze china for "protection of assets" much later .. :D

The puppet PM of pakistan who is eying for the next election wants to "show" enough commitment to development with CPEC inorder to make himself relevant in civilian politics overshadowed by pak military.

And the pakis will do any foolish drama in front of an international audience now that the chinese pressure on pakistani butt is very real.



Pak-China economic corridor problems over disputed Kashmir region
Pakistan’s much publicised $46 billion economic corridor with China has run into rough weather, with Beijing expressing reservations over the development of the route across parts of Kashmir claimed by India.

The army has backed the civilian government on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) project, but opposition parties have expressed reservations over its route and frequent changes being made to it.


There are several legal issues on which the Chinese have expressed reservations, including the development of the route through the Gilgit-Baltistan region because it is seen as disputed territory with India.


Gilgit-Baltistan or the Northern Areas, which has been in dispute since the Partition, is claimed by India. The Chinese have expressed concerns about the legality of any work undertaken across territory that is the subject of an international dispute.

A senior Chinese official told the Pakistani media that “China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory”.

Opposition parties have threatened protests if Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s government ignores smaller provinces in favour of his home province of Punjab for the location of projects.

The Chinese government’s patience has apparently been exhausted and a statement from the Chinese embassy in Islamabad, which broke its silence in an unusual move, shed light on Beijing’s frustration at roadblocks placed by different quarters in Pakistan.


The Chinese embassy asked all quarters to resolve their differences. “China hopes that the relevant parties in Pakistan could strengthen communication and coordination on the CPEC to create favourable conditions for the project,” the embassy said in a statement.


Asked to comment on recent developments linked to the project, the embassy’s spokesperson said, “The CPEC is the consensus reached between China and Pakistan, and has won popular support from the two peoples. The CPEC faces Pakistan as a whole, and will bring development and benefits to the people of Pakistan.”

But opposition parties are not impressed. Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf leader Shah Mehmood Qureshi said his party had given an assurance that it will not do any politics on the project. “But we have reasonable doubts about the federal government. The PML-N government is not taking us into confidence on many issues,” he said.

The strongest opponent to the project is the government of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province, whose chief minister Pervez Khattak said on Monday the prime minister needs to clear the air on commitments made on the western route during an all parties conference (APC).

The Khyber-Paktunkhwa government will make one last effort for reconciliation on the CPEC in a proposed meeting with Prime Minister Sharif “before taking any extreme measures”, he said.

There are complaints about lack of transparency in the award of contracts and observers say it is unclear which projects will go ahead and which have been shelved.

Local labour leaders have expressed reservations over a decision by Chinese contractors to employ Chinese nationals at construction sites. A report by the Pakistan Labour Institute said many of these Chinese workers are members of the People’s Liberation Army. Pakistani officials have not commented on these allegations.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...hmir-region/story-L7K0lbxpb6bsRFG9mulN7H.html

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Seems like Syria is much better than pakistan...


http://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/compare/syria/pakistan

If you lived in Pakistan instead of Syria, you would:
MAKE 39.2% LESS MONEY EVERY YEAR
LIVE 1.4 YEARS LESS
BE 3.64 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE IN YOUR INFANCY

BE 62.9% LESS LIKELY TO BE UNEMPLOYED
BE 87.4% MORE LIKELY TO BE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE
then it would be better for our terrorist neighbours to shift to syria
 

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Studied with Pakistanis enough to know about them and their behaviors and attitudes.
Isn't Pakistan already a Syria on a Micro scale?Their moderates clamining that deal with us or you will get even a worse enemy if we moderates go out, doesn't indulge any interests in any one of us, as far as i know they are fighting for their existence which they started in their fervour of Jihad.It has now swallowed them whole.
The best these moderates and Aman ki Tamasha people could ask is for a citizenship in India,You know rats desert the sinking ship first. Be prepared for it, our Peaceniks would argue for rehabilitation for these Aman ki Tamasha people in future, it is upto us to put these Peaceniks in our side in their places.
We also need to learn from our Neighbors,but never forget how Acharya Chanakya forged a Nation called Akhand Bharat with the help of Emperor Ashoka.
 

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Terrible idea. If Pakistan becomes Syria, then Pakis will line up at our borders wanting in as refugees. They'll either cross the border or die trying. India will be in no position to stop millions from entering, and that's the end of us.
 
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Terrible idea. If Pakistan becomes Syria, then Pakis will line up at our borders wanting in as refugees. They'll either cross the border or die trying. India will be in no position to stop millions from entering, and that's the end of us.
No, Syria is a way better place than Pakistan.
HDI:
Syria: 0.594 (medium)
Pakistan: 0.538 (Low)
So, if they even not today take refuge here, they'll feel like heaven after being like Syria. We are actually their well wishers wishing them to progress. LOL.:biggrin2:
 

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Asked to comment on recent developments linked to the project, the embassy’s spokesperson said, “The CPEC has won popular support from the two peoples. The CPEC faces Pakistan as a whole, and will bring development and benefits to the people of Pakistan.”
Bullshit of the highest order! The CPEC is for the Chinese, by the Chinese and of the Chinese. Pakis are just bit players in this project who'll get a few crumbs that would be thrown at them. They have been made suckers. But the Pakis don't mind as they're used to getting screwed by one and all, especially by their sweeter than honey friends!

Pakistan will not become Syria. Instead, by 2025-30 Pakistan will become an autonomous region of China just like Tibet. Everything the Pakis have - from matchsticks to missiles - is made in China.The Pakis have sold their souls to them, which probably have been made in China too!
 
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No, Syria is a way better place than Pakistan.
HDI:
Syria: 0.594 (medium)
Pakistan: 0.538 (Low)
So, if they even not today take refuge here, they'll feel like heaven after being like Syria. We are actually their well wishers wishing them to progress. LOL.:biggrin2:
And gdp(nominal) is twice as that of porkistan.........................................................
 

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Bullshit of the highest order! The CPEC is for the Chinese, by the Chinese and of the Chinese. Pakis are just bit players in this project who'll get a few crumbs that would be thrown at them. They have been made suckers. But the Pakis don't mind as they're used to getting screwed by one and all, especially by their sweeter than honey friends!

Pakistan will not become Syria. Instead, by 2025-30 Pakistan will become an autonomous region of China just like Tibet. Everything the Pakis have - from matchsticks to missiles - is made in China.The Pakis have sold their souls to them, which probably have been made in China too!
For now them pakis will take the crumbs....later pakis know how to swing the money in the name of "SECURITY" because even now..the provinces and sectors of pakistan are fighting over the ROUTE of the Pipe "dream."
I see this as a stage for future regional sectarian conflicts with Terrorists and NON state actors of pakistani army involved for the stake on pipe dream.

With chinese depending on the CPEC for energy security in future pakis will know how to do the deepest of the deepest manouver on chinese ass and china will have no escape.
 

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Terrible idea. If Pakistan becomes Syria, then Pakis will line up at our borders wanting in as refugees. They'll either cross the border or die trying. India will be in no position to stop millions from entering, and that's the end of us.
we are not signatory to UN refugees rule.So we can deny them from coming into our country,while rehabilitating them is a headche the Islamic countries will have to bear.Simple issue shoot at sight orders anyone trying to cross border,they will go back once 2-3 people get shot dead.
But before that happens we need to reign in our Arundhati roys,commies and secular gang who will go all out to support them as refugees in India.
 

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Terrible idea. If Pakistan becomes Syria, then Pakis will line up at our borders wanting in as refugees. They'll either cross the border or die trying. India will be in no position to stop millions from entering, and that's the end of us.
No, if it becomes Syria, we repeat 71 once again and carve out another country for the refugees.
 

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we are not signatory to UN refugees rule.So we can deny them from coming into our country
We can deny them entry, and enforce our decision by killing a few hundred people trying to get in. How about when millions are trying to get in at any point in the border fence that they want? We may have the arsenal to kill those millions, but will we? I don't think so. At some point we will crack under international pressure to let them in.

This is exactly what happened when Libyan crisis spilled over into Egypt. People lined up at the border fences (not checkpoints) like a zombie horde, and started cutting their way in. Do we have the manpower to check Pakis lining up at our border fence by the millions?

My point is don't wish for Pakistan to turn into Syria.
 

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We can deny them entry, and enforce our decision by killing a few hundred people trying to get in. How about when millions are trying to get in at any point in the border fence that they want? We may have the arsenal to kill those millions, but will we? I don't think so. At some point we will crack under international pressure to let them in.

This is exactly what happened when Libyan crisis spilled over into Egypt. People lined up at the border fences (not checkpoints) like a zombie horde, and started cutting their way in. Do we have the manpower to check Pakis lining up at our border fence by the millions?

My point is don't wish for Pakistan to turn into Syria.
We will have to impose an emergency,understand how fear works and panic spreads,once 50 people get killed trying to cross the border and the refugees know what risk they have to undertake,they would rather go to central asian countries or other nations,than come to India.In this scenario even China would support us ( if it exists till then of course).
We can make a case in International arena, that we already gave them land and a country for which they fought with us and killed 3 million people during the partition,it is their problem if they cannot handle their country and out of overzealous nature,trying to bleed India by a 1000 cuts,they brought it upon themselves.That can be made an effective case as we have millions to feed,we cannot and should not take any refugees.
As i said before that our Aman ki Tamasha,Secular gang,Terrorist lovers should be kept under house arrest for that to happen or else this gang will create another Pakistan in this country.
No international country can pressurize India to let in Refugees,when our own Population is over 1.3 billion and climbing.We can in turn ask them to take those refugees if they are so eager for their well being.

Egypt did not have shoot at sight orders nor does it have a proper border with Syria.
It allowed refugees to get in,knowing they were not going to stay as their destination was Europe.
Our boundary is well defended and yes,millions can be controlled by fear,fear of death. kill 50 people each in some sectors and the fear,panic will spread that Indian forces shoot to kill,.That is how a mob is controlled not by water cannons or giving them rehabilitation as European Union is doing.

As for your wish that it shouldn't turn into Syria,that is exactly what i wish.Let it be broken into multiple small nations, we can administer or install a puppet there to help them,then we are safe,when their nuclear arsenal is dismantled. Nowhere in the world,someone wishes for the well being of their enemies.They always wish they get destroyed.In case of Pakistan i have the same wish.Destroy your enemies from the root.
 
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We will have to impose an emergency,understand how fear works and panic spreads,once 50 people get killed trying to cross the border and the refugees know what risk they have to undertake,they would rather go to central asian countries or other nations,than come to India.In this scenario even China would support us ( if it exists till then of course).
If not India, where will Pakis run to? Shia-dominated Iran (after having slaughtered Shias)? Afghanistan (lol)? Central Asian states (to which there's no clear path/road to)? Xinjiang? Nope. They'll head to their nearest Indian border, try to cross it, or die trying. A few hundred will get shot at sight, but by then, Indian anti-nationals and international pressure will mount up on India.
 

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If not India, where will Pakis run to? Shia-dominated Iran (after having slaughtered Shias)? Afghanistan (lol)? Central Asian states (to which there's no clear path/road to)? Xinjiang? Nope. They'll head to their nearest Indian border, try to cross it, or die trying. A few hundred will get shot at sight, but by then, Indian anti-nationals and international pressure will mount up on India.
That is why i said,Emergency should be imposed,the AMAN ki Asha gang should be house arrested before such things should happen,so they won't create a ruckus.
Yes they will run to Iran,Afghanistan and other central asian states.Because that is where their Ummah is,since they believe in their Ummah.
Let them die by thousands,we don't care.They chose their destiny in 1947 when they decided they could not live with Hindus anymore, no tears nor any pressure can change that.
International pressure? as i said before no country could pressure us as we are already over-burdended and we already gave them a country.No country could and would ask us to do more.That is not our problem if they so much love them they can take them as refugees.
If any Political party tries to give them asylum then that party will be erased from history and there will be civil war situation in India.Would any Government want to risk so much? I don't think so.
 

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