USSR planned nuclear attack on China

[pmaitra]

Pakistan is a rogue and is a client state of China. She kowtows with utmost respect to the diktats from the Forbidden City.

China has supported uprising and rogue governments as also terrorists.

Zimabwe, Sudan are but recent examples.

PRC is too crafty to be directly linked with terrorists.

They supplied arms and ammunition to the Mujhs in the anti Soviet uprising in Afghanistan in cohorts with the US and Pakistan. This well documented. Cooley's Unholy Wars in one such book that mentions this.

There extending financial and weapons aid to the NE insurgents are also well established and have appeared so in the media and elsewhere.

It is also believed that the Red Corridor in India has a surfeit of Chinese weaponry. The Indian indignation does not find expression with the govt in the same manner there is no indignation on the Govt's part over the repeated Chinese incursions into Indian territory along the LAC.

Ray Sir, first of all, thank you for the information.

Yes, it is true PRC supplied weapons to the Afghan Mujahideen. However, AFAIK, they sold these weapons to CIA, who in turn gave then to the Mujahideens. CIA not only purchased weapons from PRC but also from a few Warsaw Pact countries, especially Czechoslovakia. PRC made sure never to play a direct role in arming terrorists.

Regarding terrorism in North East, although it is easy to blame PRC of everything, many of the terrorist groups, especially ULFA, NDFB et al. were created by none other than RAW to keep a tab on immigration from Bangladesh which meta-morphed first into anti-Bengali uprising, then anti-Bihari and anti-UP uprising and finally backfired into anti-India uprising of sorts.

Regarding the Red Corridor, many commentators believe quite a lot of things, however, from the news reports, pictures and videos of police and CRPF in anti-Maoist operations, most of the weapons are found to be country-made handguns and rifles, RFI SMLEs (7.62 mm NATO), RFI FN-FAL Clones (SLR), RFI Kalashnikov Clones (Assault Rifle 7.62 mm) and INSAS 5.56 mm rifles, mainly stolen from police stations and pickets. The mines they use are made using common hardware galvanised steel pipes impregnated with explosives stolen or acquired form the mining corporations in the mineral regions in the Chhota-Nagpur plateau.

Please do correct me if I am wrong, which I could be.

 

[Ray]

@PMaitra,

China was a willing ally of the CIA in Afghanistan. China wanted to hound out USSR out of Afghanistan for their strategic ends, the results as we see today. The Chinese Communist leaders were soon recompensed by the blowback revolt of the Muslim Uighur people they had trained, armed and sent to fight the Russians.

Within days of Brzezinski's initial pilgrimage to Cairo and Islamabad, President Carter's Defence Secretary, Harold Brown, was in Beijing (Jan 4 to 13, 1980). There he was to follow up on the careful work begun by Kissinger and Nixon by securing China's assent and active help in the Afghanistan adventure. Pakistan and more discretely, China became two anchor positions in the US Asian game.

At a press conference in Beijing, Brown confined himself to general banalities but also stated, he had "found a growing convergence of views between our two governments on the outrageous and brutal invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union". Each side "would take appropriate steps on its own". He did not clarify what were the 'steps'.

On return to the US, on persistent badgering by newsmen Bob Clark and John McWethy, Brown acknowledged that US and China had discussed 'strategic cooperation'. He also said "We have parallel interests...and intend to take parallel action".

Because of Chinese cooperation, the embargo was lifted on 'dual use' technology and the US Congress passed the 'Most Favoured Nation' Trade Agreement on 24 Jan 1980.

On 25 May 1980, four months of covert US, Pakistani, Egyptian and Chinese aid to CIA's jihad in Afghanistan, Geng Biao, Chinese Vice Premier for security and Secretary General of CCP military affair committee visited the US on a two week tour. Military cooperation was further strengthened in Sep 1980. A Pentagon delegation visited Beijing, close followed by a Chinese delegation led by Vice Premier, Bo Bibo. This was a period of spectacular cooperation between the US and China and in their effort in Afghanistan with the US quid pro quo as mentioned above.

In charge of the Chinese Military training of the jihadis to include the Uighurs was the Military Intelligence Department of the PLA, under Maj Gen Xiong Guankai.

China's Second Department had already trained many volunteers from Maoist and other Leftist Latin American and African groups in 1960. Its input to the Afghan operation was its largest scale operation of this kind. CIA footed most of this bill of $ 400 million.

The Chinese supply was well underway about a month after Harold Brown's Jan 1980 visit to Beijing. By Feb 1980 six of the Mujahideen groups were competing for Chinese assault rifles, HMGs, mortars and RCLs. By Sep 1984, when Brig Youssaf's (the author of The Bear Hug, which the a chronicle of ISI ops) watch with the ISI was well under way, 107mm and 122mm Chinese artillery pieces were appearing on all front in Afghanistan. One type was the 107mm Type 63 – 12 tube RL, with light weight alloy tubes.

Brig Youssaf has high praise for the meticulous way in which the Chinese handled their supply operations. Every year, he says, Gen Akhtar and he would visit the Chinese Embassy for dinner and sign the annual arms protocol for the year to follow.

 

[Ray]

@-pmaitra,

As far as the NE and Chinese arming them:

Another troubling external factor has been the rising evidence of Chinese mischief, not only by way of overtly threatening moves along the border and the unqualified support China has extended to its 'all weather friend', Pakistan, but through visible efforts to prop movements of internal disorder within India. Crucially, as much of the surviving ULFA leadership was arrested in Bangladesh and handed over to Indian authorities, authoritative sources confirmed that Paresh Baruah, the group's 'commander-in-chief' had made repeated trips to Kunming in China, and that he had been assured aid and assistance to restore his organisation along the China-Myanmar border. There is also evidence of an increasing flow of Chinese small arms into India, in volumes that suggest direct state collusion or facilitation. China's broader moves across the South and South East Asian regions have acquired a quiet and sustained menace, which India remains unprepared to resist.

India Assessment – 2010

I might add that the Union Govt of India is very squeamish about mentioning openly on the collusion of China or Pakistan until something like drastic like Mumbai carnage happens. I cannot comment if that is a right or wrong policy, but to the man on the street, it is quite frustrating to believe that insurgency can take place without safe sanctuary, arms assistance or financial back up and is something like a rabbit being pulled out of a hat!

Even on the issue of Obama and terrorism, the Govt Ministers (Pilot and Scindia to name two) have confined themselves to the well worn clichés that is most pathetic, while Mani Shankar Aiyer remain the pro Pakistan jester than he normally is. Therefore, to expect the Union Govt to be upfront is expecting too much.

a defence source said in Guwahati. "Whatever goes to the rest of India, including the Maoists, comes from areas such as Myanmar, China and Bangladesh and passes through the Northeast." An unnamed Army officer added, "The Maoists may snatch some weapons from the security forces and single-barrelled and double-barrelled guns from other people, but please understand that all their sophisticated arms go from here."

A China factor is also visible in the growing Maoist linkage to the insurgencies in the Northeast. After the elimination of senior Maoist leader Cherikuri Rajkumar alias Azad in the Jogapur forests on the Andhra-Maharashtra border on July 2, 2010, investigations have discovered a Chinese connection to the Maoists. Sources indicate that some Maoists have visited the Yunnan province in southwest China, bordering Myanmar, and may have received some training there as well, though there is no clear evidence suggesting the involvement of the Chinese establishment. Meanwhile, there has been a steady procurement of arms by Northeast militants from China over the years, especially from its Yunan Province, through the India-Myanmar border. This arms supply is propelled by a major modernization drive in the Chinese Army, resulting in the release of vast quantities of old weapons, some of which are being offloaded to arms dealers in the grey market. Weapons, including AK series and M-15 rifles, LMGs, and ammunition, discarded by the Chinese Army, are good enough for militant groups. The managers of Chinese State-owned weapons' establishments are reportedly involved in this clandestine arms supply.....

There is official confirmation of frequent visits by Northeast Indian militant leaders to China, to strike arms deals, mostly at Ruili in the Yunan Province, where ULFA 'commander in chief' Paresh Baruah had already been traced. The Chinese weapons are infact finding their way in significant numbers into the Northeastern States through five major routes, most of them passing through Myanmar territory. Chinese nationals, in turn, also visit Northeast militant camps located on the both sides of the India-Myanmar border. NSCN-K's 'emissary to the collective leadership' Kughalu Mulatonu at a camp near Dimapur in Nagaland on July 26, 2010, stated: "Chinese people" often come and visit NSCN-K camps in Myanmar to hold meetings with their leaders"¦ They (Chinese people) openly come to India via Delhi carrying passport and meet Mr. Khaplang." Intelligence sources in Nagaland confirm, "In all probability, the Chinese people visit the rebel camps to strike deals for small arms."

In the last week of June 2010, two Chinese nationals were arrested by troops at Mon in Nagaland while returning from the NSCN-K camp at Dzukou Valley in Kohima District. They confessed that leaderships of the United National Liberation Front (UNLF), PLA, Kanglei Yawol Kanna Lup (KYKL), People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK), NSCN-K and ULFA had held a meeting in Bangladesh in the recent past. These groups discussed the prevailing situation in Manipur and Nagaland and decided in putting up a joint front against the NSCN-IM in Manipur.

The PLA, at that gathering, harped on the need to have a 'good' nexus with the CPI-Maoist, and insurgent groups of J&K and the Northeast. The PLA declared its vision of establishing a joint militant front, to be evolved as 'United Front', by stating that the Maoist parties of foreign countries are keen to forge relations with them, declaring further that the 'United Front' so formed would be able to get Chinese support, since the Chinese have promised to extend assistance only to the militant groups when their cadre strength reaches 30,000. The PLA on its part, claimed the outfit would extend support to Burmese (Myanmar's) people for their rights in days to come.

The Maoist insurgents are now active in nearly a third of India's territory and have unleashed violence on an alarming scale in their areas of disruptive dominance. Their expansion into the country's Northeast, and their potential to reorganize and revitalize the degraded and fractious insurgencies of this region, would result in an exponential increase in New Delhi's troubles. Given the quality of governance and widespread disaffection across this unstable region, Maoist consolidation may well progress rapidly once the group has secured initial traction. There is little evidence, however, that this emerging threat has triggered the necessary and appropriate responses from the national and regional security establishment.

India's Red Rot

 

[kickok1975]

Chinese overall have no bad feelings over Indians. As far as I know we watched Indian movies since our child hood and the impression we got is Indian are good people who like dancing and singing, the movie always full of love stories. Not like this forum, there is rarely any discussion on how to contain or fight Indian in Chinese forum. If there is any one, it's not representation of majority people's thinking. A lot of people even don't know there is a conflict between two nations in 1962. I would say Indian movies are very good and touching for Chinese people. After watching it, every time I saw people left numerous comments on how good they feel about Indians.

Chinese goveronment is not popular, but they are not stupid either. I don't think they want to make enemy with India. They are too busy deal with domestic problems, plus US and Japan. I think we have more common ground than difference. We should let go the conflict done by old generations 40 years ago and pursue a peaceful way to resolve the border issue. Both country claim the other occupy their land. But we should try everything we can to prevent using force to solve it. It is likely we will see some competition and friction down the road. It's up to both country's people and goveronment to ensure its a win-win situation.

 

[Ray]

@PMaitra,

I concede that China is very careful in its dealings and route thing like the Mafia of the US so that it is immensely difficult to find the source from which assistance emanates.

And when it does, we tend to brush it under the carpet so that CBMs are not upset!

For instance, but for the US citizens and media being persistent or Brig Youssaf (of the ISI) spilling the beans, none would be any wiser as to what China did or does.

One of the interesting books on Afghanistan and all the skulduggery that went on, I recommend you read, " Unholy Wars" by John K Cooley (Penguin Books) Cost Rs 295 and for the Pakistani perspective, the book, "Bear Hug" by Brig Youssaf of the ISI printed in Lahore.

 

[SHASH2K2]

Chinese overall have no bad feelings over Indians. As far as I know we watched Indian movies since our child hood and the impression we got is Indian are good people who like dancing and singing, the movie always full of love stories. Not like this forum, there is rarely any discussion on how to contain or fight Indian in Chinese forum. If there is any one, it's not representation of majority people's thinking. A lot of people even don't know there is a conflict between two nations in 1962. I would say Indian movies are very good and touching for Chinese people. After watching it, every time I saw people left numerous comments on how good they feel about Indians.

Chinese goveronment is not popular, but they are not stupid either. I don't think they want to make enemy with India. They are too busy deal with domestic problems, plus US and Japan. I think we have more common ground than difference. We should let go the conflict done by old generations 40 years ago and pursue a peaceful way to resolve the border issue. Both country claim the other occupy their land. But we should try everything we can to prevent using force to solve it. It is likely we will see some competition and friction down the road. It's up to both country's people and goveronment to ensure its a win-win situation.

Brother fact is completely diffrent from your assumption. No one in India hate common chinese people because they are not aware of what their government is doing. China is not doing much directly but rather indirectly. Pakistani nuclear weapons and missiles have China written all over it . If you want details then we can provide you that as well. China has openly supports Pakistan over Kashmir issue , what do you say about that ?

 

[kickok1975]

China's support to Pakistan is really a history inheritage from old generation of leadership. Considering few true allies China has in the past and relentless support from Pakistan over years, China just can't abandon her friend.
Even today, China need Pakistan badly to cooperate on anti-terrorist task otherwise the country will become terrorist heaven from where Chinese west region will be targeted. China's support to Pakistan is not necessarily target India but rather a way to ensure Pakistan as a nation can stand independantly and not influenced by other force.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

China's support to Pakistan is really a history inheritage from old generation of leadership. Considering few true allies China has in the past and relentless support from Pakistan over years, China just can't abandon her friend.
Even today, China need Pakistan badly to cooperate on anti-terrorist task otherwise the country will become terrorist heaven from where Chinese west region will be targeted. China's support to Pakistan is not necessarily target India but rather a way to ensure Pakistan as a nation can stand independantly and not influenced by other force.

If this is true and China has such benevolent intentions , then it has failed miserably at doing this.

 

[pmaitra]

@PMaitra,

China was a willing ally of the CIA in Afghanistan. China wanted to hound out USSR out of Afghanistan for their strategic ends, the results as we see today. The Chinese Communist leaders were soon recompensed by the blowback revolt of the Muslim Uighur people they had trained, armed and sent to fight the Russians.

Within days of Brzezinski's initial pilgrimage to Cairo and Islamabad, President Carter's Defence Secretary, Harold Brown, was in Beijing (Jan 4 to 13, 1980). There he was to follow up on the careful work begun by Kissinger and Nixon by securing China's assent and active help in the Afghanistan adventure. Pakistan and more discretely, China became two anchor positions in the US Asian game.

At a press conference in Beijing, Brown confined himself to general banalities but also stated, he had "found a growing convergence of views between our two governments on the outrageous and brutal invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union". Each side "would take appropriate steps on its own". He did not clarify what were the 'steps'.

On return to the US, on persistent badgering by newsmen Bob Clark and John McWethy, Brown acknowledged that US and China had discussed 'strategic cooperation'. He also said "We have parallel interests...and intend to take parallel action".

Because of Chinese cooperation, the embargo was lifted on 'dual use' technology and the US Congress passed the 'Most Favoured Nation' Trade Agreement on 24 Jan 1980.

On 25 May 1980, four months of covert US, Pakistani, Egyptian and Chinese aid to CIA's jihad in Afghanistan, Geng Biao, Chinese Vice Premier for security and Secretary General of CCP military affair committee visited the US on a two week tour. Military cooperation was further strengthened in Sep 1980. A Pentagon delegation visited Beijing, close followed by a Chinese delegation led by Vice Premier, Bo Bibo. This was a period of spectacular cooperation between the US and China and in their effort in Afghanistan with the US quid pro quo as mentioned above.

In charge of the Chinese Military training of the jihadis to include the Uighurs was the Military Intelligence Department of the PLA, under Maj Gen Xiong Guankai.

China's Second Department had already trained many volunteers from Maoist and other Leftist Latin American and African groups in 1960. Its input to the Afghan operation was its largest scale operation of this kind. CIA footed most of this bill of $ 400 million.

The Chinese supply was well underway about a month after Harold Brown's Jan 1980 visit to Beijing. By Feb 1980 six of the Mujahideen groups were competing for Chinese assault rifles, HMGs, mortars and RCLs. By Sep 1984, when Brig Youssaf's (the author of The Bear Hug, which the a chronicle of ISI ops) watch with the ISI was well under way, 107mm and 122mm Chinese artillery pieces were appearing on all front in Afghanistan. One type was the 107mm Type 63 – 12 tube RL, with light weight alloy tubes.

Brig Youssaf has high praise for the meticulous way in which the Chinese handled their supply operations. Every year, he says, Gen Akhtar and he would visit the Chinese Embassy for dinner and sign the annual arms protocol for the year to follow.

I do not doubt that at all.

PRC has been at loggerheads with USSR since their border skirmish with the latter as they tried to storm a river island on the Ussuri river adjacent to the city of Khabarovsk facing retaliatory attacks by Soviet forces. During 1971-72 Indo-Pak War, Pakistan, USA and PRC were on one side with India, USSR and the Mukti-Bahini on the other. PRC has been rather supportive of the Junta in Myanmar and the Junta has a mixed relationship with the Naga groups fighting for Greater Nagaland, who are threatening not only the territorial integrity of India, but also that of Myanmar. Hence, in this context, PRC's disposition is rather ambiguous.

Perhaps you could shed some light in this regard as my knowledge is rather limited.

 

[pmaitra]

China's support to Pakistan is really a history inheritage from old generation of leadership. Considering few true allies China has in the past and relentless support from Pakistan over years, China just can't abandon her friend.
Even today, China need Pakistan badly to cooperate on anti-terrorist task otherwise the country will become terrorist heaven from where Chinese west region will be targeted. China's support to Pakistan is not necessarily target India but rather a way to ensure Pakistan as a nation can stand independantly and not influenced by other force.

• PRC cannot abandon Pakistan.
• Pakistan cannot abandon anti-India terrorists.
• Therefore, India cannot abandon her fears from PRC.

Continued occupation of Indian territories by PRC, Chinese VISA policy, repeated incursions into the Indian side of the border/LAC, relentless attempts to derail Indian strategic deals, such as, but not limited to the NSG clearance for Nuclear Fuel and objections to India's ambitions for permanent membership in UNSC, help only reaffirm that PRC is not only threatening, but also extremely hostile to India.

In this backdrop, claims of Chinese innocence and benevolence sound like a bad joke.

 

[civfanatic]

• PRC cannot abandon Pakistan.
• Pakistan cannot abandon anti-India terrorists.
• Therefore, India cannot abandon her fears from PRC.

Continued occupation of Indian territories by PRC, Chinese VISA policy, repeated incursions into the Indian side of the border/LAC, relentless attempts to derail Indian strategic deals, such as, but not limited to the NSG clearance for Nuclear Fuel and objections to India's ambitions for permanent membership in UNSC, help only reaffirm that PRC is not only threatening, but also extremely hostile to India.

In this backdrop, claims of Chinese innocence and benevolence sound like a bad joke.

I agree with most of what you said, except that China is "extremely hostile" towards us. They are our strategic rivals, yes, bu if they were "extremely hostile" we would not have $60 billion bilateral trade, joint counter-terrorism exercises, be part of the same economic bloc (BRIC), etc. etc.

It is in opinion that Chinese aggressive strategic claims on our territory and our interests were made possible only because of the submissive and passive attitude of previous Indian governments. If India had shown some spine in the 50s and 60s I doubt there would be much of a Sino-Indian conflict today.

 

[civfanatic]

Chinese overall have no bad feelings over Indians. As far as I know we watched Indian movies since our child hood and the impression we got is Indian are good people who like dancing and singing, the movie always full of love stories. Not like this forum, there is rarely any discussion on how to contain or fight Indian in Chinese forum. If there is any one, it's not representation of majority people's thinking. A lot of people even don't know there is a conflict between two nations in 1962. I would say Indian movies are very good and touching for Chinese people. After watching it, every time I saw people left numerous comments on how good they feel about Indians.

Chinese goveronment is not popular, but they are not stupid either. I don't think they want to make enemy with India. They are too busy deal with domestic problems, plus US and Japan. I think we have more common ground than difference. We should let go the conflict done by old generations 40 years ago and pursue a peaceful way to resolve the border issue. Both country claim the other occupy their land. But we should try everything we can to prevent using force to solve it. It is likely we will see some competition and friction down the road. It's up to both country's people and goveronment to ensure its a win-win situation.

Buddy, I have yet to meet a single Indian who truly despises Chinese people and wishes for Beijing and Shanghai to be nuked. Do we hate the Chinese government? Definitely. But at the same time, many Indians have the utmost respect for Chinese civilization and culture. I think many Chinese people also feel the same way about India.

I hope you don't get any bad impression of Indians from this forum. The guys here are very down-to-earth and realistic, and we like to discuss scenarios like nuclear war which might be sensitive to some people. But keep in mind that Indians, probably more so than any other people on the planet, are a very friendly and peaceful lot, and we do not wish for the death and destruction of innocent people, even those of enemy nations.

Cheers, and Long Live India and China /////////

 

[kickok1975]

Totally agree. The Buddhism from India has profoundly influenced China, from China to Korea and Japan since some 1,000 years ago. India and China has a shared history of few thousand years and we live in harmony most of time. The friction in recent years is just a ripple in our long river of interaction.

Together we have a population close to 50% of the world. It's hard to imagine a world peace if our two nations can't get long with. I personally have Indian friends and I think they are friendly and honest people. I hope whatever the current situation is and the governments have done in the past, we as conscious people should promote communication, cooperation for a better relationship between two old cultures. After all, we all want our future generations live in peace and love, instead of hatred and conflict.

 

[nimo_cn]

Buddy, I have yet to meet a single Indian who truly despises Chinese people and wishes for Beijing and Shanghai to be nuked. Do we hate the Chinese government? Definitely. But at the same time, many Indians have the utmost respect for Chinese civilization and culture. I think many Chinese people also feel the same way about India.

I hope you don't get any bad impression of Indians from this forum. The guys here are very down-to-earth and realistic, and we like to discuss scenarios like nuclear war which might be sensitive to some people. But keep in mind that Indians, probably more so than any other people on the planet, are a very friendly and peaceful lot, and we do not wish for the death and destruction of innocent people, even those of enemy nations.

Cheers, and Long Live India and China /////////

Read the posts by your Indian fellows in this thread, how many of them wish USSR nuked China, how many of them are criticizing US for stopping USSR from doing that?

Still have yet to meet a single Indian who truly despises Chinese people and wishes for Beijing and Shanghai to be nuked?

 

[Ray]

No one despises the Chinese as a people.

It should not be a surprise to you that Chinese cuisine is the most popular in India and no other cuisine comes close to it in popularity.

Even our street food has Chinese food as the most popular one on the menu. Every kiosk in Calcutta or Kolkata boast of Chow Mein, though I am sure if you were to eat it, you would find it quite different.

Of course, the Chinese food in India is jazzed up to suit the Indian palate.

 

[pmaitra]

I agree with most of what you said, except that China is "extremely hostile" towards us. They are our strategic rivals, yes, bu if they were "extremely hostile" we would not have $60 billion bilateral trade, joint counter-terrorism exercises, be part of the same economic bloc (BRIC), etc. etc.

It is in opinion that Chinese aggressive strategic claims on our territory and our interests were made possible only because of the submissive and passive attitude of previous Indian governments. If India had shown some spine in the 50s and 60s I doubt there would be much of a Sino-Indian conflict today.

Sir, of course, with due respects to your opinion, we can agree to disagree. The very fact that PRC has been issuing stapled VISAs to Indians from J&K and Arunachal Pradesh, is in itself, as per my humble interpretation, a hostile act; because it gives out the message that PRC does not recognise Indian sovereignty over J&K and Arunachal Pradesh and reserves the right to invade to claim these territories whenever the moment is opportune; and they have done that in the past in 1962 and attempted in 1983 (if I am not mistaken). If that is not enough, then repeated incursions by PRC forces into Indian territory should act as the icing on the cake.

Trade is fine. It is a necessity, not a favour or charity. We also have trade with Pakistan, albeit small. We also have cultural exchanges with Pakistan (Pakistanis coming to India to perform/act, not quite the other way around) and so many cricket matches and other sports. Yet, terrorism has continued unabated as much as has been border firing and shelling. Isn't that hostility as well? Trade and other paraphernalia have nothing to do with hostility, or the lack thereof.

I would not be fooled by these joint-COIN exercises. It is a very nice way to learn the tactics of a potential enemy's armed forces. Sorry, I am not going to be ecstatic about it.

Buddy, I have yet to meet a single Indian who truly despises Chinese people and wishes for Beijing and Shanghai to be nuked. Do we hate the Chinese government? Definitely. But at the same time, many Indians have the utmost respect for Chinese civilization and culture. I think many Chinese people also feel the same way about India.

I hope you don't get any bad impression of Indians from this forum. The guys here are very down-to-earth and realistic, and we like to discuss scenarios like nuclear war which might be sensitive to some people. But keep in mind that Indians, probably more so than any other people on the planet, are a very friendly and peaceful lot, and we do not wish for the death and destruction of innocent people, even those of enemy nations.

Cheers, and Long Live India and China /////////

Very well said.

No, Indians do not hate Chinese people. They are some of the finest and I personally have so many Chinese friends.

Yes, we despise the PRC government. Some do because it is communist; I do because (1) it is occupying Indian territories, (2) arming Pakistan to it's teeth especially with nuke technology and (3) abusing human rights in Tibet. It's the actions, and I repeat, the actions of PRC, over a long period of several decades, that has caused this legitimate animosity in most Indian minds against the PRC.

 

[pmaitra]

Read the posts by your Indian fellows in this thread, how many of them wish USSR nuked China, how many of them are criticizing US for stopping USSR from doing that?

Still have yet to meet a single Indian who truly despises Chinese people and wishes for Beijing and Shanghai to be nuked?

Do you get the context? If not, let me tell you why.

Simply read post #50. You will understand the context. Had PRC not attacked India in 1962, had they not occupied Indian territories and had they not supported Pakistan all throughout, you would not have seen a single person regretting USSR not nuking PRC. Au contraire, I believe, most would have been supportive of PRC.

However, PRC should know better, that given the border war and skirmishes between India and PRC, PRC has lost a potential friend and not many Indians will forget what happened in 1962 and not many Indians will give up the opportunity to avenge our territorial losses if the time is right.

Sorry buddy, but you will have to live with this offended neighbour for a long long time. This is from a very practical point of view.

 

[nimo_cn]

Do you get the context? If not, let me tell you why.

Simply read post #50. You will understand the context. Had PRC not attacked India in 1962, had they not occupied Indian territories and had they not supported Pakistan all throughout, you would not have seen a single person regretting USSR not nuking PRC. Au contraire, I believe, most would have been supportive of PRC.

However, PRC should know better, that given the border war and skirmishes between India and PRC, PRC has lost a potential friend and not many Indians will forget what happened in 1962 and not many Indians will give up the opportunity to avenge our territorial losses if the time is right.

Sorry buddy, but you will have to live with this offended neighbour for a long long time. This is from a very practical point of view.

I was merely correcting civfanatic that it is wrong to say there are no Indians wish for Beijing and Shanghai to be nuked.
For whatever reason, there are Indians like you who wishes China be nuked by USSR. And you just prove what i said.

No need to jump on me, no need to justify your desire for China being nuked. After all, I am not blaming you.

 

[The Messiah]

I was merely correcting civfanatic that it is wrong to say there are no Indians wish for Beijing and Shanghai to be nuked.
For whatever reason, there are Indians like you who wishes China be nuked by USSR. And you just prove what i said.

No need to jump on me, no need to justify your desire for China being nuked. After all, I am not blaming you.

When a person knifes you in the back then it is only logical that the aggrieved party will have some dislike for other person.

In this case china backstabbed India while we were putting forward a hand of friendship.

Can you say that china has not occupied Indian territory ? does India occupy any chinese territory ? get off your high horse

 

[civfanatic]

I was merely correcting civfanatic that it is wrong to say there are no Indians wish for Beijing and Shanghai to be nuked.
For whatever reason, there are Indians like you who wishes China be nuked by USSR. And you just prove what i said.

No need to jump on me, no need to justify your desire for China being nuked. After all, I am not blaming you.

All of them are saying that in a very practical and realistic context. The fact is, if USSR had nuked China it really would make things a lot easier for India, and there is nothing wrong in saying that. However, I do not support mass murder of people, so I am glad the USSR did not do that, and most of the other Indians here probably feel the same way, even if you did not understand it.