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This video explains this really well.

since wokism's expansion coincides with decades of "War On Terror" , is it the case that democrats started propping up woke politics because they were loosing support(not necessarily votes) from traditional liberal base?

and on a side note, climate change activism/politics gained momentum when plans were being executed to shift manufacturing from the west to china.
 

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and on a side note, climate change activism/politics gained momentum when plans were being executed to shift manufacturing from the west to china.
This may be a coincidence and also at the same time, China was rapidly building lots of polluting coal power plants and that may have been enough to tilt the scales in a time measurable scale that would be alarming to the rest of the world. Yes overall US and the West are the biggest polluters in the world but as of right now, China is the biggest polluter by a huge margin, something on the order of nearly twice the level of US.
 

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since wokism's expansion coincides with decades of "War On Terror" , is it the case that democrats started propping up woke politics because they were loosing support(not necessarily votes) from traditional liberal base?

and on a side note, climate change activism/politics gained momentum when plans were being executed to shift manufacturing from the west to china.
I dont think a traditional liberal like lets say people like Bill Maher were anyways targets of these Neo Marxists. Traditional Liberals have already started to realize this. They have been always been trying to push Marxism but the final push which should come from public never happened because there are no real takers for Marxist socialism.


The support for modern woke politics has been a slow cooking process for decades through cultural propaganda pushed through universities and media and they will keep taking over these spaces.
 

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So they have arrested/indicted Donald Trump after rigging the election he won.

I remember taking on a CNN scoundrel who is also a moderator on an American forum, mentioning how powerful the Democrats are and how flawed your democracy is.

Biden's son and the fraud his family pulled out with the help of media and global ecosystems are just mind-boggling.
 

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So they have arrested/indicted Donald Trump after rigging the election he won.

I remember taking on a CNN scoundrel who is also a moderator on an American forum, mentioning how powerful the Democrats are and how flawed your democracy is.

Biden's son and the fraud his family pulled out with the help of media and global ecosystems are just mind-boggling.
Most surprising is the silence from his own party.

I guess this is the disadvantage of the Presidential form of govt over the Parliamentary form of govt.

No political members will rally behind you in a crisis.
 

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Most surprising is the silence from his own party.

I guess this is the disadvantage of the Presidential form of govt over the Parliamentary form of govt.

No political members will rally behind you in a crisis.
I don't think they are silent, they are just not made visible.

Honestly, I can find remedies for any problem even if the therapy has to go for a very long period of time with all sorts of complexities. But with the kind of power Democrats have one can only be scared of them.

No wonder Modi is not messing with them.
 

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I don't think they are silent, they are just not made visible.

Honestly, I can find remedies for any problem even if the therapy has to go for a very long period of time with all sorts of complexities. But with the kind of power Democrats have one can only be scared of them.

No wonder Modi is not messing with them.
To be fair, Trump was exposed as an idiot and some of the laugable things he said were arm cringing and could not be shaken off. In short, he lost the votes of the independents. That's what did him in. If he had kept his mouth shut more often and do more work visibly, he would have won another term. He only needed to win 3 more states (Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia) and those states were extremely close only differing by thousands of voters. Take a look at the results at this link:

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To be fair, Trump was exposed as an idiot and some of the laugable things he said were arm cringing and could not be shaken off. In short, he lost the votes of the independents. That's what did him in. If he had kept his mouth shut more often and do more work visibly, he would have won another term. He only needed to win 3 more states (Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia) and those states were extremely close only differing by thousands of voters. Take a look at the results at this link:

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Biden has made more stupid and racist utterances than he could ever have and he is still doing it.

Trump was made a clown even before he became President.

American perversion through sophisticated propaganda is so widespread that people living inside regardless of their colour (Red or Blue) can not fathom the damage it has done to their ability to think rationally.

Trump could have been defeated with a regular political fight but they used every weapon possible just to test their indiscriminate power. The defeat of Trump this way is not simply a one-off oddity but validation of an experiment that they will use everywhere. Usually, these experiments were not done at home.

This has changed American politics forever. Without street power and denied even a single expression on mainstream you are looking at a series of ugly accidents that again will be shifted back to Republicans.

My suggestion to Hindus living in the USA will be to organize and vow not to take sides openly. In any case, Democrats will find it out which side you belong to.

The point is those who have failed to protect Trump or became accomplices in his fall will soon see the chicken coming back home to roost.
 

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Biden has made more stupid and racist utterances than he could ever have and he is still doing it.

Trump was made a clown even before he became President.

American perversion through sophisticated propaganda is so widespread that people living inside regardless of their colour (Red or Blue) can not fathom the damage it has done to their ability to think rationally.

Trump could have been defeated with a regular political fight but they used every weapon possible just to test their indiscriminate power. The defeat of Trump this way is not simply a one-off oddity but validation of an experiment that they will use everywhere. Usually, these experiments were not done at home.

This has changed American politics forever. Without street power and denied even a single expression on mainstream you are looking at a series of ugly accidents that again will be shifted back to Republicans.

My suggestion to Hindus living in the USA will be to organize and vow not to take sides openly. In any case, Democrats will find it out which side you belong to.

The point is those who have failed to protect Trump or became accomplices in his fall will soon see the chicken coming back home to roost.
You totally misread what happened with Trump. Trump gave the opening and his weaknesses to his enemies in a hand wrapped gifted bag. Hell even half of the Republicans that worked with Trump has turned against him. He was that much of an idiot. Doesn't matter if you have the Deep State working against you, political considerations require you to be smart about it not be an idiot about it. Americans do not like idiots as a general rule.

As for Biden, his only fortune is that Trump is in the news and that keeps Biden alive. To Biden and Democrats, Trump is the Rahul Gandhi version. Trump is Democrats' biggest star campaigner.

I like most of Trump's policies but Trump's mouthing off has turned his policies toxic.

De Santis is the man to root for.
 

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You totally misread what happened with Trump. Trump gave the opening and his weaknesses to his enemies in a hand wrapped gifted bag. Hell even half of the Republicans that worked with Trump has turned against him. He was that much of an idiot. Doesn't matter if you have the Deep State working against you, political considerations require you to be smart about it not be an idiot about it. Americans do not like idiots as a general rule.

As for Biden, his only fortune is that Trump is in the news and that keeps Biden alive. To Biden and Democrats, Trump is the Rahul Gandhi version. Trump is Democrats' biggest star campaigner.

I like most of Trump's policies but Trump's mouthing off has turned his policies toxic.

De Santis is the man to root for.
I disagree with all your points. Looks like what you saying is just tweaking of the Democrat ecosystem's propaganda and asuming it is a dispassionate read of the situation. Maybe there is a bit of a patronizing tone of being an American who knows more about domestic politics than an outsider.

Spending all those years being a very active and curious student of Political science, I can tell all the readers that unlimited and indiscriminate use of power can only be justified when a nation is going through an existential threat or at the cusp of achievement or recovery after a very bad phase.

American polity from both sides will try to wish away Trump and all these ugly spectacles quite fast. Republican being more patriots and nationalists with very orthodox political outlooks will never get that ugly. The absence of that ugly reaction doesn't mean what Democrats are doing becomes acceptable or a norm. As I said it will seed accidents in future that Americans will not be able to handle.

Having said that, the proof of the pie however is in eating. Everything hunky-dory with American politics will be established if a Republican president will be able to win decisively after defeating this formidable machinery of media, global liberal order, deep state and ground forces ready to rig elections for Democrats.

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I disagree with all your points. Looks like what you saying is just tweaking of the Democrat ecosystem's propaganda and asuming it is a dispassionate read of the situation. Maybe there is a bit of a patronizing tone of being an American who knows more about domestic politics than an outsider.

Spending all those years being a very active and curious student of Political science, I can tell all the readers that unlimited and indiscriminate use of power can only be justified when a nation is going through an existential threat or at the cusp of achievement or recovery after a very bad phase.

American polity from both sides will try to wish away Trump and all these ugly spectacles quite fast. Republican being more patriots and nationalists with very orthodox political outlooks will never get that ugly. The absence of that ugly reaction doesn't mean what Democrats are doing becomes acceptable or a norm. As I said it will seed accidents in future that Americans will not be able to handle.

Having said that, the proof of the pie however is in eating. Everything hunky-dory with American politics will be established if a Republican president will be able to win decisively after defeating this formidable machinery of media, global liberal order, deep state and ground forces ready to rig elections for Democrats.
You are a bit tad too sensitive. There is nothing patronizing about my post. And I am not a Democrat either. I am an independent with Republican leanings. So you need to stop being emotional if my post disagree with your post entirely. Try to be analytical. I have been a watcher of US politics for decades. And I am telling you that there were a lot of independents who were going for Trump in the beginning because they were tired of the establishment types. They wanted a change and they thought Trump would bring that change. What they did not expect is that Trump would be so stupid and polarizing in some of the things he said and they were constantly tired of the shitstorm he would create each week just to stay in the news cycle. He lost the election because he turned off the independent voters. Have you examined the data that I posted in an earlier post? He lost 3 states by 42k votes. He was in the same spot as Hillary Clinton when she lost the election. The main takeaway from that election was that you had to keep the independents on your side. Look at the votes going to the other parties that was not Republican or Democrats. The Libertarian party took all those votes away from Trump and gave the states to Biden who had secured enough votes to be the winning party in those states.

In short, it was Trump that lost the election because he opened his mouth too many times or created too many controversies that alienated the independents. Already, some of the diehard Republicans are ready to move on without Trump. They are now rooting for DeSantis. They are hoping that Trump gets convicted so they can get him out of the way and get DeSantis on the spot. And preliminary polls show that DeSantis polls very well with independents and that he can beat Biden while the same polls show that Biden could beat Trump. Why? Independents do not like Trump anymore. He lost their trust and faith. Enough independents are willing to go with DeSantis and not Biden because of Biden's old age and the fact that he could not control inflation. But they will go with Biden over Trump. Trump lost the independents by enough margin that he cannot win any national election. Republicans know this and they want a winning candidate and that is DeSantis.

As for election fraud claims, it is all BS. Because of Covid, people preferred to mail in their ballots. And the way they count the ballots is that they count the ballots that were voted in person, then they count the ballots that were mailed in. They count last the ballots that were mailed in because they have to make sure that when they open the mailed in ballots, it is done in a secure way and they also have to verify the signature and match it to the driver license which is the US version of the Andhaar card along with the voter registration card. Once that signature on the ballot is matched, it gets sent on for counting. The one is not matched is sent on to a different department for a second round of verification. So that is why the numbers fluctuate throughout the day as the ballots come in. There were quirks with the ballot system due to human behavior not fraud such as lots of older people and independents preferred to send in their mail ballots while young people and die hard supporters would show up in person and vote. The Democrats learned the lesson from the national elections in 2018 and applied that to 2020. They knew that mail in ballots would be key to their chances of winning the election. The Republicans did not take the lesson to heart at that time. Now they do.

So Trump's claims of election fraud is a different variation of the same story peddled by Congresswallas against BJP for election fraud. It basically has no merit.
 
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But with the kind of power Democrats have one can only be scared of them.

No wonder Modi is not messing with them.
Modi has clearly sidelined foreign political forces from India since farmer protests. He keeps catious as India does dealing with a superpower. Still, since he has been strangulating funding of their lackeys in India and going south against America's political positions and economic interests, off course BJP isn't afraid of either of Democrats and CCP. They are rather more confident than ever, have halted their penetration in Indian politics and are penetrating in their politics slowly.
 

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@Blademaster: Some question

How much Desantis is an establishment guy like Bush was?
How much does media props him?

See I think for deep state/establishment it does not matter whether you Republican or Democrats are in power. What matters whether they tow the line or not. For all vices you may attribute to trump, but he was first and only president that went out of establishment line. So much so that establishment simply ignored him even when in power. They did in reverse to what he ordered.
 
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@Blademaster: Some question

How much Desantis is an establishment guy like Bush was?
How much does media props him?

See I think for deep state/establishment it does not matter whether you Republican or Democrats are in power. What matters whether they tow the line or not. For all vices you may attribute to trump, but he was first and only president that went out of establishment line. So much so that establishment simply ignored him even when in power. They did in reverse to what he ordered.
He got elected on a pro trump plank to the governorship of Florida without media support. He beat out 14 other establishment types. He even got the endorsement of Trump when he was running for governor. He was not the Republican party's first choice.
 

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QUAD and Lack of US Interest in it

Biden Administration due to war in Ukraine has lost interest in QUAD for Asia. Truthfully, it would have been ideal setup to stop Chinese from grabbing Taiwan and all of China sea and its resources. If that came true then it would have rendered defence of east Asia including Japan, South Korea and other smaller nations, impossible.

There are only two things which go against this Chinese ambition. They, although boast a lot, but with copied and reverse engineered technology, their military other than intimidation cannot mount any military operations outside of their borders and second point that with renewed American interest in building of East Asia defences, including Philippines makes it impossible for Chinese to invade anything.

With new geopolitical situation now shaping up with Russia and China getting friendly to refocus everybody’s interests in Asia. If not tomorrow, then a bit later Chinese will grab some of the missing Russian military technology and modernize their armed forces better. Also with Russian support, Chinese would be emboldened.

For the above reasons, the West (mostly NATO countries) are making a beeline to India to acquire, if not full, but associate membership of NATO. No formal conversations have taken place with India, Japan and Australia, but an important NATO official recently threw a hint for that. It will have dual purpose; first it pulls India out of Russian military technology fold and second safeguard India from Chinese invasion. Although Himalayas protect India very well but clever Chinese salami slicing is always a headache. Also, threat of Pakistani and Chinese move in Indian Ocean will be thwarted.

I believe that further discussions are essential to probe the West’s mind. Moreover, does the deal includes Permanent Membership of the UN Security Council. That need to be probed.

Cheers.
 

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QUAD is useless except for some photo op and tea sipping ceremony and joint operation exercises. In a shooting war, no one is gonna come to India's aid and India's LOC cannot stretch out all the way to Taiwan.
 

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dems are so doubtful of their chances that they pulled jon stewart out of retirement?
 

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apparently NyT and WaPo were involved in arrest of that leaker fellow.
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I can barely put into words how dangerous and twisted it is that it is now the NYT and WashPost that does the FBI's job for it by hunting down leakers of classified information -- the people on whom real journalism depends -- working in tandem with state-funded Bellingcat:

 

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since wokism's expansion coincides with decades of "War On Terror" , is it the case that democrats started propping up woke politics because they were loosing support(not necessarily votes) from traditional liberal base?

and on a side note, climate change activism/politics gained momentum when plans were being executed to shift manufacturing from the west to china.
Wokism is the 3rd or 4th mutation of the liberal virus that started with the (((French Revolution)), and to be America-specific, it is the cumulative result starting from the (((Sexual Revolution))) of the 60s, which also coincided with the Vietnam war.

You must understand that traditional liberal base are zombies dependent on media conditioning, media says Ukraine war is good so it's good, Media says Iraq and Afghand invasions were bad( because Bush ) so they are bad, so all "support" and "opposition" is a social engineering phenomenon and not an organic one.

The troops who fight in America's armies are right wing at the start or become right wing while in uniform of the distinct freedumb and democrazy american variety, not like us.
Liberals generally see these troops in contempt, their hearts bleed for Vietnamese, Afghans, Iraqis and not for their own.
 

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