USA China Cold War

[Sanglamorre]

Alarm bells ringing?

Fighting in the West.
Fighting in the East.

India untouched.

Is this not what we dreamt of?
Is this not what dreams are made of?!

Wooooo

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Fighting in the West.
Fighting in the East.

India untouched.

Is this not what we dreamt of?
Is this not what dreams are made of?!

Wooooo

but US power should not be completely destroyed, Chinese power should not be completely destroyed.We need as many medium and medium-large scale players except in our close neighborhood. that can keep unifying internationalist blocs from forming .these medium and medium-large-scale countries preferably need to be proud and hence less likely to vote in blocs with other power centers.

The best scenario for India would be for the world to have multiple almost equally poised countries with similar National Comprehensive Power Ratings as that would make their ability to influence India risky and too resource intensive.

 

[Blademaster]

but US power should not be completely destroyed, Chinese power should not be completely destroyed.We need as many medium and medium-large scale players except in our close neighborhood. that can keep unifying internationalist blocs from forming .these medium and medium-large-scale countries preferably need to be proud and hence less likely to vote in blocs with other power centers.

The best scenario for India would be for the world to have multiple almost equally poised countries with similar National Comprehensive Power Ratings as that would make their ability to influence India risky and too resource intensive.

US & Chinese power should be destroyed so India can rise.

 

[AnantS]

US & Chinese power should be destroyed so India can rise.

With current societal composition and awareness, even if it were to happen, India shall squander away and other countries like Russia, turkey, etc shall be calling shot

 

[Blademaster]

With current societal composition and awareness, even if it were to happen, India shall squander away and other countries like Russia, turkey, etc shall be calling shot

Russia is declining and Turkey has its own internal problems.

 

[Overlord]

Alarm bells ringing?

Good, both the hellholes should smash each other & dispose each other off, would be great for us.

Existence of jhaantrica & chinksh!ts middle kingdom is detrimental to world peace anyway.

 

[AnantS]

Russia is declining and Turkey has its own internal problems.

So shall we. So when we Sort internal dynamics of country, only then you shall watch country zoom up with or without external roadblocks.

 

[ezsasa]

SK is investing in china, with blessing of U.S to separate china and rest of the world semi conductor supply chains and they have these kind of issues to deal with.
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Ex-Samsung exec charged with stealing trade secrets to create copycat chip factory in China

Ex-Samsung exec charged with stealing trade secrets to create copycat chip factory in China

South Korean prosecutors have arrested and indicted a former executive of Samsung Electronics suspected of stealing trade secrets while attempting to establish a copycat computer chip plant in China. The Suwon District Prosecutors’ Office said the unnamed 65-year-old unlawfully obtained Samsung...

apnews.com

 

[AnantS]

And combine above with below news. Is there really a cold war or just a chimera

 

[ezsasa]

And combine above with below news. Is there really a cold war or just a chimera

they have a habit of waking up after $hit hits the fan..

Japan, China, the United States and the Road to Pearl Harbor, 1937–41

At the outset, U.S. officials viewed developments in China with ambivalence. On the one hand, they opposed Japanese incursions into northeast China and the rise of Japanese militarism in the area, in part because of their sense of a longstanding friendship with China. On the other hand, most U.S. officials believed that it had no vital interests in China worth going to war over with Japan. Moreover, the domestic conflict between Chinese Nationalists and Communists left U.S. policymakers uncertain of success in aiding such an internally divided nation. As a result, few U.S. officials recommended taking a strong stance prior to 1937, and so the United States did little to help China for fear of provoking Japan. U.S. likelihood of providing aid to China increased after July 7, 1937, when Chinese and Japanese forces clashed on the Marco Polo Bridge near Beijing, throwing the two nations into a full-scale war. As the United States watched Japanese forces sweep down the coast and then into the capital of Nanjing, popular opinion swung firmly in favor of the Chinese. Tensions with Japan rose when the Japanese Army bombed the U.S.S. Panay as it evacuated American citizens from Nanjing, killing three. The U.S. Government, however, continued to avoid conflict and accepted an apology and indemnity from the Japanese. An uneasy truce held between the two nations into 1940.

Milestones: 1937–1945 - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

 

[AnantS]

they have a habit of waking up after $hit hits the fan..

Japan, China, the United States and the Road to Pearl Harbor, 1937–41

At the outset, U.S. officials viewed developments in China with ambivalence. On the one hand, they opposed Japanese incursions into northeast China and the rise of Japanese militarism in the area, in part because of their sense of a longstanding friendship with China. On the other hand, most U.S. officials believed that it had no vital interests in China worth going to war over with Japan. Moreover, the domestic conflict between Chinese Nationalists and Communists left U.S. policymakers uncertain of success in aiding such an internally divided nation. As a result, few U.S. officials recommended taking a strong stance prior to 1937, and so the United States did little to help China for fear of provoking Japan. U.S. likelihood of providing aid to China increased after July 7, 1937, when Chinese and Japanese forces clashed on the Marco Polo Bridge near Beijing, throwing the two nations into a full-scale war. As the United States watched Japanese forces sweep down the coast and then into the capital of Nanjing, popular opinion swung firmly in favor of the Chinese. Tensions with Japan rose when the Japanese Army bombed the U.S.S. Panay as it evacuated American citizens from Nanjing, killing three. The U.S. Government, however, continued to avoid conflict and accepted an apology and indemnity from the Japanese. An uneasy truce held between the two nations into 1940.

Milestones: 1937–1945 - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

But in China's case... they have much strong reasons to continue the relations behind curtain(Establishment & Co Business interests) while shouting ceremonial profanities at each other occasionally and publically(Mil Inc interests). The latter also helps in keeping both focus worlds attention on them while they weed out potential competitors to each other.

 

[Azaad]

 

[skywatcher]

they have a habit of waking up after $hit hits the fan..

Japan, China, the United States and the Road to Pearl Harbor, 1937–41

At the outset, U.S. officials viewed developments in China with ambivalence. On the one hand, they opposed Japanese incursions into northeast China and the rise of Japanese militarism in the area, in part because of their sense of a longstanding friendship with China. On the other hand, most U.S. officials believed that it had no vital interests in China worth going to war over with Japan. Moreover, the domestic conflict between Chinese Nationalists and Communists left U.S. policymakers uncertain of success in aiding such an internally divided nation. As a result, few U.S. officials recommended taking a strong stance prior to 1937, and so the United States did little to help China for fear of provoking Japan. U.S. likelihood of providing aid to China increased after July 7, 1937, when Chinese and Japanese forces clashed on the Marco Polo Bridge near Beijing, throwing the two nations into a full-scale war. As the United States watched Japanese forces sweep down the coast and then into the capital of Nanjing, popular opinion swung firmly in favor of the Chinese. Tensions with Japan rose when the Japanese Army bombed the U.S.S. Panay as it evacuated American citizens from Nanjing, killing three. The U.S. Government, however, continued to avoid conflict and accepted an apology and indemnity from the Japanese. An uneasy truce held between the two nations into 1940.

Milestones: 1937–1945 - Office of the Historian

history.state.gov 3.0 shell

history.state.gov

FYI, that China before 1949 as you mentioned is ROC, which is currently Taiwan.

PRC is a different story.

 

[ezsasa]

wonder if they did these sort things in their last cold war
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#US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen bows multiple times to #Chinese Communist Party economy czar. That much bowing is definitely excessive and gives the appearance of submission. It's embarrassing.

 

[Azaad]

wonder if they did these sort things in their last cold war
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#US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen bows multiple times to #Chinese Communist Party economy czar. That much bowing is definitely excessive and gives the appearance of submission. It's embarrassing.

When the first British delegation in the 1790s met their Chinese counterparts to discuss the prospects of trade, the former refused to kowtow to the Emperor, with the latter equally adamant, insisting on the kowtow for anything else of substance to proceed.

Inevitably this resulted in an impasse & the visit was called off with subsequent missions meeting the same fate due to the British insisting on not following Chinese protocol .

In the event this didn't end well for the Chinese culminating as it did a few decades later with the opium wars & the beginning of the gradual dismantling of the Qing empire & the Chinese society.

Let's see how this one ends.

 

[ezsasa]

Sounds familiar. Indian Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh said exactly this in the India-China context more than a decade ago:


Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen Press Conference in Beijing “President Biden and I do not see the relationship between the U.S. and China through the frame of great power conflict. We believe the world is big enough for both of our countries to thrive.”

 

[treesspeakvietnamese]

lol then who is gonna own the Pacific? Its all just words.

The Pacific ocean, which is less than half of the world, is not big enough for 2 great powers and they say the world is big enough for the 2 great powers? What a joke.

 

[Azaad]

Jewboy rushing around frantically to save his tattered legacy at the age of 100. I mean which kike can live with the fact of being outwitted by a yellow man of all people & yet Kissinger would go down in history as one of the few men who helped create a strategic, like sized competitor to his own country, unprecedented in the history of diplomacy & history itself .

Being a keen student of both - history & diplomacy, jewboy is well aware that future generations of students & practitioners of both disciplines would look upon him as a dupe at best & a sell out at worst. Classic story of how a person of very high intelligence can also be conned.

Hence the phrase - live long enough you'd see a hero being condemned as a villain.

Sincerely hope jewboy here lives to see the upcoming & inevitable Sino US war & its aftermath & the ruination of his pet project & legacy.

 

[Azaad]

Jewboy meeting Great Helmsman 2.0

Probably the only diplomat around from anywhere in the world who's met both the great helmsmen. The first created China, the second is all set to bury it.

 

[Azaad]

Of course Jewboy being Jewboy may have deliberately not cultivated a successor not that he's obliged to as well. As a character in the popular serial Seinfeld once said - you don't need to help nobody for nothing. That's what this country's all about.

Jewboy may not have done so not to enjoy power & pelf of high office with successive administrations but to massage his ego of being the go to man for these successive administrations for anything related to China. Every thing else like power & prestige which came with it was only the icing on the cake.

In conclusion let me quote Sardar Patel's observation to Nehru on his choice of our first ambassador to China, Pannikar, a communist sympathiser - 'he is more China's ambassador to India."