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I certainly agree that China can reduce Taiwan to a rubble
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that is not winning them the war or Taiwanese territory or people.

What follows after that for China will be a world that will be reluctant to do any business with them. They will probably have Russia and North Korea as their trading partners left.
If Covid is any indicator, after a brief blip everything will be back to normal with CCP. Corporate profits override everything - even the millions of lives lost during the pandemic! Heck, CCP even supplied PPE suits and masks and probably made a profit out of it too.

With the amount of cash reserves that they have, they can build artificial islands across Taiwan strait and then walk into Taipei. It is highly unlikely that anyone will intervene militarily to prevent CCP from doing so - not at the risk of disrupting supply-chains and corporate profits.
 

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LoL Nah...
It's foolish if CIA thinks that congi govt will be serious about fighting China or retaking Aksai Chin..
I dont think it will be congi govt, but a coalition of multiple parties. Coalitions are always weak & can be used as puppets. The same script being used now in pakistan can also be applied to the left in India.
 

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A very basic idea of how an invasion may look like.
Though it's cartoonish but their videos are good.


 

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I dont think it will be congi govt, but a coalition of multiple parties. Coalitions are always weak & can be used as puppets. The same script being used now in pakistan can also be applied to the left in India.
Who will be mostly benefited if BJP govt loses power and Cong/khichdi govt comes in place? Ans is China and Russia. So better not to buy those propagandas to show US on a very bad light at this point in time. Whatever it may be, but US think tank isn't a moron.

Anyways, going ott.
 

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Question - Has the shooting war over Taiwan, begun?

A - The answer is no, still not.

Question - Then why are Chinese escalating tension in the Taiwan Straits?

A - They are testing the United States' determination to defend Taiwan.

The Chinese action has two reasons:

1. China, although with a larger number of military equipment and proximity to Taiwan is much inferior militarily.

2. China cannot afford to lose a billion dollars a year in exports to the United States and Europe.

Both of these reasons are going to make China's posture much, but never start a shooting war.

Hence all this, what everyone has heard on the news is BS. Presence of Nancy Pelosi in Taiwan was to remind China that the above two points are key to US-China affair.

Chinese posturing time is over……. The reality is that they cannot afford to lose business and a few ships to the bottom of the sea.
 

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Make what you will out of it but almost all the astrologers that I follow have repeatedly been saying for 1-2 years, something about some major extremely-rare (once in thousands of years) phenomenon occurring between 31st July and 5th August which has the potential to cause massive loss of life.

If Peolsi visits Taiwan and Cheens do shoot down her plane, then I am an astrology customer for life
Bhai, change your astrologers ASAP. I believe they're scamming you.
 

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Who will be mostly benefited if BJP govt loses power and Cong/khichdi govt comes in place? Ans is China and Russia. So better not to buy those propagandas to show US on a very bad light at this point in time. Whatever it may be, but US think tank isn't a moron.

Anyways, going ott.
actually ,I dont think there is one faction inside the US now. Ithink there are atleast 2 factions and maybe more who have different worldviews and goals of what they want the world to be like.they favour different ways of thinking and also beholden to different values and gods and patrons.

And there are factions like the neocons and the woke factions that are very stupid and provably stupid in their foreign and other policy.this is the same USA that sabotages its own oil production and other assets for ideological and short-term gains,what is the guarantee that this india policy is not a same kind of strategic blunder.I mean look at their Afghanistan fiasco,they might be doing something stupid under ideological compulsion thinking they it might get them influence and hence better leverage against china.
 

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A very basic idea of how an invasion may look like.
Though it's cartoonish but their videos are good.


There are several misconceptions and assumptions that are off base. I wouldn't presume the PLA to be a conscript force. It is 100% pure volunteer force, not conscript. They have undergone massive reforms in the recent years and shed a lot of unnecessary weight and trimmed the fat so to speak. The video left out the massive PLAN navy that China has to keep the USN and JMSDF at bay and there will be more than 2 waves. There will be at least 5 waves of attacks. And don't forget that PLA has hundreds of helicopters that could be used in the invasion. And CHina built 8 25k ton landing amphibious ships and built 3 LHDs and building 5 more. And have embarked on a new class of landing ship called Type 76 which would even be bigger than USS Wasp class ships. And they have about over 70 smaller landing crafts. Is this enough to overwhelm Taiwan defenses? No but I wouldn't underestimate the PLAN or the PLAGF.
 

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After watching the staged drama in Taiwan, anyone with some common sense can agree to what is going on behind the scenes. Coincidence that i saw the same opinions in other sites. Sending Speaker of the house is a move aimed at domestic politics. If the intent was geo-politics, it was the Sec of state or secdef or vp that must have been send to Taiwan. Both the moves - Pelosi at Taiwan and Hellfire on Zawahiri is pure pr stunt by dems.
This 'conflict with China' is the new reason for US MIC to justify and feast on nearly 1 trillion usd defence budget after the sun has set over 'War of Terror'. I would advice India to stay out of any military alliance with quad. India will be another treaty partner extending the US MICs market prospects by some 100 billion USD more. Installing in New Delhi, a regime that can be bought for dollars, is vital to the Deep states long term plans. Basically anyone in the opposition from Kejri to Congis to Stalin to Momta is up for sale.

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After watching the staged drama in Taiwan, anyone with some common sense can agree to what is going on behind the scenes. Coincidence that i saw the same opinions in other sites. Sending Speaker of the house is a move aimed at domestic politics. If the intent was geo-politics, it was the Sec of state or secdef or vp that must have been send to Taiwan. Both the moves - Pelosi at Taiwan and Hellfire on Zawahiri is pure pr stunt by dems.
This 'conflict with China' is the new reason for US MIC to justify and feast on nearly 1 trillion usd defence budget after the sun has set over 'War of Terror'. I would advice India to stay out of any military alliance with quad. India will be another treaty partner extending the US MICs market prospects by some 100 billion USD more. Installing in New Delhi, a regime that can be bought for dollars, is vital to the Deep states long term plans. Basically anyone in the opposition from Kejri to Congis to Stalin to Momta is up for sale.

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This is not correct analysis. Taiwan's fall to China will mean china as a pre eminent power in entire east , south east asia which will demoralise asean and south korea and Japan which means one by one all of them will fall into chinese sphere of influence and usa with its mic is booted out completely.

That's too much influence and trade for usa to lose .

Another thing fall of Taiwan sets china free of domestic issues totally and allows it to focus on dominating Pacific and indian Ocean. Which puts USA on the backfoot.

It will reduce USA global status and china will further force opec to stop using USD. After all USA can't guarantee protection to them anymore . Which is the end of American empire. I don't think Americans are ready for that now.

They will use Taiwan to destroy chinese navy and put chinese economy decades back by sanctions with Western world and Japan. Rest will be done by demographic disaster of China which stupid CCP has created.

And china will be turned into Pacifist Japan only much much poorer.
 

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This is not correct analysis. Taiwan's fall to China will mean china as a pre eminent power in entire east , south east asia which will demoralise asean and south korea and Japan which means one by one all of them will fall into chinese sphere of influence and usa with its mic is booted out completely.

That's too much influence and trade for usa to lose .

Another thing fall of Taiwan sets china free of domestic issues totally and allows it to focus on dominating Pacific and indian Ocean. Which puts USA on the backfoot.

It will reduce USA global status and china will further force opec to stop using USD. After all USA can't guarantee protection to them anymore . Which is the end of American empire. I don't think Americans are ready for that now.

They will use Taiwan to destroy chinese navy and put chinese economy decades back by sanctions with Western world and Japan. Rest will be done by demographic disaster of China which stupid CCP has created.

And china will be turned into Pacifist Japan only much much poorer.
I dont think the west in general has the culture and firepower to put china back into its box.remember,china just needs to win this near its coast,USA has to ensure the security of its world order and has a dwindling navy if you are actually paying attention to their navy condition and the way they are conducting their military recruitment.

Why are people ignoring the massive cultural and ideological factors involved.You can have a superpower country without a people that loves their own system.The west is filled with large factions that DO NOT like american world order for different reasons.this is not the US after 1945.I would rather have 300 million people who did not hate their own race and culture than 1 billion who would sell their country out for cash.

The western culture is filled in all its institutions with many traitors and self haters and antinationalistsand they are in executive positions and drive policy.this also extends to culture.the chinese are the opposite of that.
 

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I dont think the west in general has the culture and firepower to put china back into its box.remember,china just needs to win this near its coast,USA has to ensure the security of its world order and has a dwindling navy if you are actually paying attention to their navy condition and the way they are conducting their military recruitment.

Why are people ignoring the massive cultural and ideological factors involved.You can have a superpower country without a people that loves their own system.The west is filled with large factions that DO NOT like american world order for different reasons.this is not the US after 1945.I would rather have 300 million people who did not hate their own race and culture than 1 billion who would sell their country out for cash.

The western culture is filled in all its institutions with many traitors and self haters and antinationalistsand they are in executive positions and drive policy.this also extends to culture.the chinese are the opposite of that.
Because china has no future. It's shrinking .

 

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Well Taiwan is called Republic of China. So technically Pelosi is correct.
She has always called taiwan taiwan or roc...here china means china look at her stuttering she doesn't want to say it....chongs have just abruptly cancelled exercises around taiwan looks like merica has bend a knee somewhere...or China is cooking something else for taiwan
 

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More pain for the CCP

China, South Korea clash over THAAD anti-missile system
Kim Tong-Hyung, APAug 10, 07:48 AM

SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea’s government stressed Wednesday it will make its own decisions in strengthening its defenses against North Korean threats, rejecting Chinese calls that it continue the polices of Seoul’s previous government that refrained from adding more U.S. anti-missile batteries that are strongly opposed by Beijing.

The differences between South Korea and China underscored a reemerging rift between the countries just a day after their top diplomats met in eastern China and expressed hope that the issue wouldn’t become a “stumbling stone” in relations.

Bilateral ties took a significant hit in 2017 when South Korea installed a missile battery employing the U.S. Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense system, or THAAD, in response to nuclear and missile threats from North Korea.

The decision drew an angry reaction from China, which said the anti-missile system could be reconfigured to peer into its territory. Beijing retaliated by suspending Chinese group tours to South Korea and obliterating the China business of South Korean supermarket giant Lotte, which had provided land for the missile system.

South Korea’s previous president, Moon Jae-in, a liberal who pursued engagement with North Korea, tried to repair relations with Beijing by pledging the “Three Nos” — that Seoul wouldn’t deploy any additional THAAD systems; wouldn’t participate in U.S.-led missile defense networks; and wouldn’t form a trilateral military alliance with Washington and Tokyo.

Moon’s dovish approach has been discarded by his conservative successor, Yoon Suk Yeol, who has vowed stronger security cooperation with Washington and expressed a willingness to acquire more THAAD batteries to counter accelerating North Korean efforts to expand its nuclear weapon and missile programs.
 

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More pain for the CCP

China, South Korea clash over THAAD anti-missile system
Kim Tong-Hyung, APAug 10, 07:48 AM

SEOUL, South Korea — South Korea’s government stressed Wednesday it will make its own decisions in strengthening its defenses against North Korean threats, rejecting Chinese calls that it continue the polices of Seoul’s previous government that refrained from adding more U.S. anti-missile batteries that are strongly opposed by Beijing.

The differences between South Korea and China underscored a reemerging rift between the countries just a day after their top diplomats met in eastern China and expressed hope that the issue wouldn’t become a “stumbling stone” in relations.

Bilateral ties took a significant hit in 2017 when South Korea installed a missile battery employing the U.S. Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense system, or THAAD, in response to nuclear and missile threats from North Korea.

The decision drew an angry reaction from China, which said the anti-missile system could be reconfigured to peer into its territory. Beijing retaliated by suspending Chinese group tours to South Korea and obliterating the China business of South Korean supermarket giant Lotte, which had provided land for the missile system.

South Korea’s previous president, Moon Jae-in, a liberal who pursued engagement with North Korea, tried to repair relations with Beijing by pledging the “Three Nos” — that Seoul wouldn’t deploy any additional THAAD systems; wouldn’t participate in U.S.-led missile defense networks; and wouldn’t form a trilateral military alliance with Washington and Tokyo.

Moon’s dovish approach has been discarded by his conservative successor, Yoon Suk Yeol, who has vowed stronger security cooperation with Washington and expressed a willingness to acquire more THAAD batteries to counter accelerating North Korean efforts to expand its nuclear weapon and missile programs.
So french are sending more bread to China?
Good
 

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