USA China Cold War

[Waanar]

This is Japan's backyard as well, Taiwans backyard is well. Taiwan will be defending against China. They being the defender and in an island, will be incredibly difficult for China to do the opposite. China might be rich, US + Japan + Taiwan are richer. Chinas population is growing old, they would have to spend in welfare, improved education and birth rates which they themselves admit will cause effect in the future. While, US has a healthy flow of immigrants (many unfortunately from our country).

This is why if CCP is to take Taiwan, they HAVE to do it now or they will never be able to.
There is a sense of urgency in the face of demographic doom in the mind of Chinese planners.

US has unparalleled geopolitical advantages - that's why they became a superpower. Good geography, good submissive neighbours (unlike ours), good economy, good people, good military.

Yes and no. Intervening in Taiwan will accelerate USA's decline and they know it better than anyone else.
Their geography counts for nothing when they're defending Taiwan. All that counts is the geography of Taiwan at that point.
Their economy is in recession, their people are burning their own towns for BLM, Antifa yadda yadda yadda and their Army General informed China of a possibility of an American attack himself.

U.S. top general secretly called China over fears Trump could spark war -report

The top U.S. general secretly called his Chinese counterpart twice over concerns then-President Donald Trump could spark a war with China as his potential election loss loomed and in its aftermath, the Washington Post reported on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Things aren't as rosy as they may seem and as good as a military may be, if their top leadership is getting cold feet from a mere mention of war, that military is useless.

If China scores 9.5, US is 9.8 in national comprehensive power.

That 0.3 advantage will be more than negated by the fact that this isn't a US-China war but a China-Taiwan war and America will have to go to great lengths (both on domestic and international front) to actually project their force in such hostile waters.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

So that US can lose its semiconductor hold, it's credibility in SEA, first island chain and endanger it's other bases ?

US owns the IP and have all the control on all critical machinery which are required to manufacturer semi- conductors tho world will come to a halt with supply chains getting broken up but Russia Ukraine war have also shown that these sanctions and supply chain issues can't stop the high on testosterone military generals.

Setting up few semi conductor factories would cost USA billions of $ but loss of human lives and military hardware to china will also cost the same.

 

[Blank]

US owns the IP and have all the control on all critical machinery which are required to manufacturer semi- conductors tho world will come to a halt with supply chains getting broken up but Russia Ukraine war have also shown that these sanctions and supply chain issues can't stop the high on testosterone military generals.

Setting up few semi conductor factories would cost USA billions of $ but loss of human lives and military hardware to china will also cost the same.

It's not easy to build new infra in US, AFAIK.

 

[Jimih]

It looks like Members shilling for China and wishing Taiwan's fall will be happy in a 'China-Polar world'.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Assassin 2.0]

It looks like Members shilling for China and wishing Taiwan's fall will be happy in a 'China-Polar world'.

We just want to see a proper war in our life time. Even if USA gets involved it would be such a satisfying conflict. So far She xinjingpig is giving khade L**d p dhoka.

 

[Waanar]

It looks like Members shilling for China and wishing Taiwan's fall will be happy in a 'China-Polar world'.

Ah, don't start that. You guys were calling me a traitor when I was (THE ONLY ONE) saying Azerbaijan would win against Armenia at the start of that war too.
I just try to keep an objective view of things.

 

[HitmanBlood]

Lmao rubbish.

US has every interest invested in Taiwan sovereignty .
Google , MS , Apple , Intel / AMD , all Car companies , precision weapons manufacturing industry
Everything will collapse.

Most importantly geographic advantage China can gain after taking over Taiwan means US will be permanently out as a net security provider in Asia. This will gove China advantage over all supply chains to US and European nations. They will not allow this.

Ukraine situation is also geographic in nature. They want to contain Russia at the borders of Europe. Similarly here too they will fight tooth and nail to contain China.

Also many are saying China will do this and that. It doesn't look like they will do any adventurism. China doesn't have technological or military edge over west. Nor they have powerful allies. All they have is a giant export driven economy. That would be wiped out with full might of sanctions from west and in China's case many Asian countries will happily join these sanctions including India. They won't get a breathing room like Russia has.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

J-20 deployed.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Members shilling for China

No we are trying to gauge real capabilities of nations and war scenario
You cannot ignore a situation you do not like.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

I don't see any reason why Japan SK US would risk their own old aging fragile population to fight a real bloody war. The same case could have also been made for Ukraine which is also backed by whole Nato ( considering the fact that Both taiwan and Ukraine are not members of the mato) We have Germany UK france itlay and other xyz countries but non of the countries crossed a certain line to help Ukraine due to the fear of Russian ICBMs. Chinese also have ICBMs.

 

[flanker99]

Hm no new vid of PLA equipment movement.2 possibilities-
1.movement has stopped and XI likes being cucked
2.yesterday vids were intentionally released and china has huge control on what gets out...movement continues

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Post Galwan conflict we all know how much Chinese loves to do propaganda through videos.

 

[Jimih]

We just want to see a proper war in our life time. Even if USA gets involved it would be such a satisfying conflict.

We are already in a War Cycle,

Read the book Fourth Turning by Neil Howe and William Strauss if you have time.

According to the authors right now we are in a Fourth Turning of Homeland Generation, which is of 14 years (2008-2022) under Millennial Saeculum Cycle which is of total 76 years.

This book put forwards a theory that, "Historical events are associated with recurring generational personas (archetypes). Each generational persona unleashes a new era (called a turning) lasting around 20–25 years, in which a new social, political, and economic climate (mood) exists"

The theory also states that "a crisis recurs in World and American history after every Cycle, which is followed by a recovery (high). During this recovery, institutions and communitarian values are strong. Ultimately, succeeding generational archetypes attack and weaken institutions in the name of autonomy and individualism, which eventually creates a tumultuous political environment that ripens conditions for another crisis."

 

[mokoman]

J-20 deployed.

this one globaltimes idiot humiliated China .

1 nuclear aircraft carrier + 3 more semi carriers are parked just off south china sea .

if China does any bullshit, Humiliation 2.0 will be incomming .

let China show their aukat , i wanna see their garbage jets being shot down .

 

[Suryavanshi]

I don't see any reason why Japan SK US would risk their own old aging fragile population to fight a real bloody war. The same case could have also been made for Ukraine which is also backed by whole Nato ( considering the fact that Both taiwan and Ukraine are not members of the mato) We have Germany UK france itlay and other xyz countries but non of the countries crossed a certain line to help Ukraine due to the fear of Russian ICBMs. Chinese also have ICBMs.

And there is no way for countries to supply weapons to Taiwan. In the case of Ukraine It had border with friendly nation.
Taiwan depends upon others for their survival, why do you think they are so adamant upon bringing Pelosi here.
Surround the island, gain air Superiority and keep bombing tsland nations Military indra until a path is formed for Marine troops.

 

[flanker99]

this one globaltimes idiot humiliated China .

1 nuclear aircraft carrier + 3 more semi carriers are parked just off south china sea .

if China does any bullshit, Humiliation 2.0 will be incomming .

let China show their aukat , i wanna see their garbage jets being shot down .

Yanks wont move till mainland is attacked

 

[Assassin 2.0]

this one globaltimes idiot humiliated China .

1 nuclear aircraft carrier + 3 more semi carriers are parked just off south china sea .

if China does any bullshit, Humiliation 2.0 will be incomming .

let China show their aukat , i wanna see their garbage jets being shot down .

Let the bodiesss hit the floor i want to see USN super carrier getting sinked meanwhile Chinese getting banged to oblivion like broken girls. .
I'm posting war updates just because I'm pro war. But I'm also anti cheena. But considering US history i don't think they will do anything other than posturing muricans are not moral people they have betrayed many allies in the past and i feel that they will betray taiwan too.

 

[HitmanBlood]

I don't see any reason why Japan SK US would risk their own old aging fragile population to fight a real bloody war. The same case could have also been made for Ukraine which is also backed by whole Nato ( considering the fact that Both taiwan and Ukraine are not members of the mato) We have Germany UK france itlay and other xyz countries but non of the countries crossed a certain line to help Ukraine due to the fear of Russian ICBMs. Chinese also have ICBMs.

From American perspective if you don't fight wars in someone else's backyard you have to fight wars in your own backyard which is far more devastating.

America, Japan, SoKo, Europe, Aus, etc. think in terms of generations. They know inevitably of confrontation with China. They must have laid out multiple plans to counter China. Your Ukraine anology is correct. US may not send boots on the ground to fight China. Maybe they will find other way to deal with them.

 

[Waanar]

From American perspective if you don't fight wars in someone else's backyard you have to fight wars in your own backyard which is far more devastating.

America, Japan, SoKo, Europe, Aus, etc. think in terms of generations. They know inevitably of confrontation with China. They must have laid out multiple plans to counter China. Your Ukraine anology is correct. US may not send boots on the ground to fight China. Maybe they will find other way to deal with them.

This is true, and I don't think Americans won't try to make this war as costly as they can for China but they won't risk any significant amount of troops for Taiwan.

As some say, the goal is to have a a long war, not a successful war.