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Australia , Japan and US might downgrade the annual exercise frequency with India..
That's OK.. it's too early for India to choose any side.. especially when the West and the US continue to import more and not less from China..
One thing is clear.. Just like in Ukraine, the US might send ammo and aid to India, in a Indo-China war, in a bid to weaken China.. But just as in the case of Ukraine, the end result would still be the same...in a Long battle of attrition with China.. A significant loss of Indian territory.. US help, will increase Chinese casualties.. but the end result will still be the same.. if the US does not intervene directly on India's side.. And just like in Ukraine, US will not intervene directly..
Also, Ukraine sent 5000 soldiers to Iraq until 2008 to support America's imperial folly, hoping that US Airforce will cover Ukranian as* if Russia ever invades.. But, there is no such support coming in for Ukraine.. Whether there is a WW3 or not is immaterial for Ukraine.. It is already in a war on its homeland, and losing territory.. but there are no US jets or soldiers coming.. US could say that they would physically intervene to beat back an invasion of Odessa, while not supporting Ukraine to take back Kherson or Crimea.. But, Uncle Sam will not even promise this..
So, India should be wary of tying up with US and provoking China in Taiwan or elsewhere.. I agree with Modi's current formula of "Peace out"

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India will use nukes and biological weapons if china attacks.Once CCP leadership is dead pla will be finished,95 percent of Chinese lives in 40 percent of land within tengchong line so it is easy and early to kill all Chinese than it is for china to move over himalayas to attack India.Most water resources originate from Tibet India can wipe out the source of water to china leading to sudden death of china and it's allies.Quad will be unsucessful without having India as India is the only nation sharing land border with china not Japan,Korea,aus,usa similarly like why turkey was added in nato.So good luck to those who think they can counter china without having India.
 
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Australia , Japan and US might downgrade the annual exercise frequency with India..
That's OK.. it's too early for India to choose any side.. especially when the West and the US continue to import more and not less from China..
One thing is clear.. Just like in Ukraine, the US might send ammo and aid to India, in a Indo-China war, in a bid to weaken China.. But just as in the case of Ukraine, but the end result would still be the same...in a Long battle of attrition with China.. A significant loss of Indian territory.. US help, will increase Chinese casualties.. but the end result will still be the same.. if the US does not intervene directly on India's side.. And just like in Ukraine, US will not intervene directly..
The terrain of indo china war is completely different .. What Ukraine did to Russia . India can inflict worse on them . Looks can be deceiving .

We need quad not for NATO like alliance where we ll need direct military intervention which is unproductive in a unknown terrain .. The reason is creating a supply line for different products , technology , indirect support in case of a war , raw material , energy , economic collaboration all as a counter to Chinese dominance . Also keeping the chinese influence low in indo pacific countries ..

I do believe there is nothing left for india in old foreign policy .. Russia is a declining nation .. China showed its color killing our soldiers with all rehtorics of BRICS etc and Pakistan china equation against India .. It seems clear to me where water is flowing .. And non of it is our making .
 

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The terrain of indo china war is completely different .. What Ukraine did to Russia . India can inflict worse on them . Looks can be deceiving .

We need quad not for NATO like alliance where we ll need direct military intervention which is unproductive in a unknown terrain .. The reason is creating a supply line for different products , technology , indirect support in case of a war , raw material , energy , economic collaboration all as a counter to Chinese dominance . Also keeping the chinese influence low in indo pacific countries ..

I do believe there is nothing left for india in old foreign policy .. Russia is a declining nation .. China showed its color killing our soldiers with all rehtorics of BRICS etc and Pakistan china equation against India .. It seems clear to me where water is flowing .. And non of it is our making .
India has a Good chance in a short war against China.. But, even in Himalayan terrain, where conditions are much more favorable to the defender.. If the war is a year long or months' long battle of attrition, India Will soon run low on ammo, in a month, ( and an underdeveloped MIC does not help ).. and India will start losing territory..

So, India should not agree to turn QUAD to a military alliance and start poking China in Taiwan or SCS, without China starting any large scale aggression against India.. Because remember, US will never go to war against China for India.. So, India should not create the conditions where China will deem it necessary to wage a large scale war on India, and come to the conclusion that large scale PLA deaths would be worth the gains..
Meaning, India should not make a Ukraine of itself.. and if that causes a QUAD downgrade.. So be it..
 
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India has a Good chance in a short war against China.. But, even in Himalayan terrain, where conditions are much more favorable to the defender.. If the war is a year long or months' long battle of attrition, India Will soon run low on ammo, in a month, ( and an underdeveloped MIC does not help ).. and India will start losing territory..

So, India should not agree to turn QUAD to a military alliance and start poking China in Taiwan or SCS, without China starting any large scale aggression against India.. Because remember, US will never go to war against China for India.. So, India should not create the conditions where China will deem it necessary to wage a large scale war on India, and come to the conclusion that large scale PLA deaths would be worth the gains..
Meaning, India should not make a Ukraine of itself.. and if that causes a QUAD downgrade.. So be it..
Any objective evidence based on which you conclude that we would run out of ammo in a month or is it just mental masturbation?

Don't quote CAG report please, they are five years out of date and those bean counters wouldn't know the difference between Howitzers and Tanks.

If we can think of all these scenarios, while on a defence forum as a hobby I Would think professionals whose job is to actually get paid to think about these things would know what they are doing.

Quad will NEVER be a military alliance because US deepstate doesn't want a strong India. They want a balkanised India. Unless that changes, there will be no alliance with the US.
 

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Any objective evidence based on which you conclude that we would run out of ammo in a month or is it just mental masturbation?

Don't quote CAG report please, they are five years out of date and those bean counters wouldn't know the difference between Howitzers and Tanks.

If we can think of all these scenarios, while on a defence forum as a hobby I Would think professionals whose job is to actually get paid to think about these things would know what they are doing.
Maybe you should read more and Masturbate less..
In 2019, then Defense minister Nirmala Sitharaman at a think tank event remarked that Indian forces now had enough ammunition for a 10 days Intense war..

In 2020, after the China Standoff, the requirment of ammo reserves was raised to 15 (I) or 15 days of intense war.. Although, we don't know when we will be at 15(I).. as it takes years to build up the stocks and infrastructure like ammo dumps and tunnels that can survive a chinese missile strike..
So, it's safe to assume that in an all out intense conventional war with China, INDIAN ARMY reserves would not last more than a month..


 

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Thank you

China isnt doing anything that India or US isnt doing .

only question is whether they can succeed.

India has a Good chance in a short war against China.. But, even in Himalayan terrain, where conditions are much more favorable to the defender.. If the war is a year long or months' long battle of attrition, India Will soon run low on ammo, in a month, ( and an underdeveloped MIC does not help ).. and India will start losing territory..

So, India should not agree to turn QUAD to a military alliance and start poking China in Taiwan or SCS, without China starting any large scale aggression against India.. Because remember, US will never go to war against China for India.. So, India should not create the conditions where China will deem it necessary to wage a large scale war on India, and come to the conclusion that large scale PLA deaths would be worth the gains..
Meaning, India should not make a Ukraine of itself.. and if that causes a QUAD downgrade.. So be it..
QUAD isnt for land battles , or sea or air battles .

its for pushing the PLA navy back . they will have 4 carriers by 2030 , Chinese navy will be 3-4x times larger than indian navy .

India's role is in indian ocean , with Andaman and nicobar islands . no one thinks indian navy will sail into south china sea and attack PLAN ships

we need to "atleast" dominate waters around our country .thats the role of QUAD for us.
 

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Solomon is gone Aussies were Buffoon .... There are around 30 thousand islands scattered over in Pacific Ocean... Muricans can't counter chinese everywhere..At the end the more chinese get powerful More they will venture into Pacific/Indian Ocean theatres.. Interestingly muricans seems more focused towards russi and nato enlargements right now
 

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China isnt doing anything that India or US isnt doing .

only question is whether they can succeed.



QUAD isnt for land battles , or sea or air battles .

its for pushing the PLA navy back . they will have 4 carriers by 2030 , Chinese navy will be 3-4x times larger than indian navy .

India's role is in indian ocean , with Andaman and nicobar islands . no one thinks indian navy will sail into south china sea and attack PLAN ships

we need to "atleast" dominate waters around our country .thats the role of QUAD for us.
More SSNs and SSBNs should be response in this case. We building 4 carriers against their 4 is not the ideal response. There will never be a Midway like large scale aerial/carrier engagement. AShM like Brahmos or its PLAN equivalents will finish the engagement in a few seconds/minutes. All those planes that took off will not have a carrier to land on!
 
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