US Navy Violates Indian EEZ with Recent FONOP

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Fun fact: Mauritius (and not the Maldives), has territorial claims over British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT).

Maybe a formal Indian endorsement of these territorial claims will be a great way to needle back at the US for its recent gaandmasti off Lakshadweep.

It's brilliant because:
  • India isn't claiming these islands, we're endorsing a third-party's claims
  • India gets to play the colonialism card, citing the history of the British ethnic-cleansing the islands off the locals to set up its base there
  • Diego Garcia currently isn't US territory, it's British, leased to the US
The Americans are facing certain eradication from the South China Sea, and are beginning to see the IOR as a "fallback position." Chicom shipping can still be clogged at IOR. So over the next many years, it's the US Navy - and not PLAN - which will cause headaches for New Delhi.

We need to start showing the Americans that if they want to lead a China-containment effort in the IOR, they can't accomplish this by disrespecting India.

Unlike Guam is to China, BIOT is within range of a much wider spectrum of Indian arsenal, and India can annihilate BIOT without the use of nukes.

Why and Why Now: We've to try and understand why the US Navy did this FONOP, and why now. Is it because we're standing our ground with S-400? Are they starting to regret getting India a chair on the Afghanistan table? Does the US want to make Modi appear weak during the thick of the West Bengal elections? Amorphous hostility between the Democrats and the BJP beginning to play out?

Options: A diplomatic offensive against British sovereignty over BIOT. India sends a pair of heavily-armed Kolkata-class DDGs into BIOT waters at Mauritian "invitation."
 

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Fun fact: Mauritius (and not the Maldives), has territorial claims over British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT).

Maybe a formal Indian endorsement of these territorial claims will be a great way to needle back at the US for its recent gaandmasti off Lakshadweep.

It's brilliant because:
  • India isn't claiming these islands, we're endorsing a third-party's claims
  • India gets to play the colonialism card, citing the history of the British ethnic-cleansing the islands off the locals to set up its base there
  • Diego Garcia currently isn't US territory, it's British, leased to the US
The Americans are facing certain eradication from the South China Sea, and are beginning to see the IOR as a "fallback position." Chicom shipping can still be clogged at IOR. So over the next many years, it's the US Navy - and not PLAN - which will cause headaches for New Delhi.

We need to start showing the Americans that if they want to lead a China-containment effort in the IOR, they can't accomplish this by disrespecting India.
We have slowly replaced pak as the American ‘frontier’ state. Iron clad guarantees are in order to avoid an otherwise certain ‘high and dry’ state of affairs once the murican objectives have been achieved.
 

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We have slowly replaced pak as the American ‘frontier’ state. Iron clad guarantees are in order to avoid an otherwise certain ‘high and dry’ state of affairs once the murican objectives have been achieved.
I'd argue that we haven't yet become a "frontier state" as you describe. Had we scrapped S-400 in favor of whatever shitty alternative the Americans were offering, then yes.

We've to try and understand why the US Navy did this FONOP, and why now. Is it because we're standing our ground with S-400? Are they starting to regret getting India a chair on the Afghanistan table? Does the US want to make Modi appear weak during the thick of the West Bengal elections? Amorphous hostility between the Democrats and the BJP beginning to play out?
 

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We have slowly replaced pak as the American ‘frontier’ state. Iron clad guarantees are in order to avoid an otherwise certain ‘high and dry’ state of affairs once the murican objectives have been achieved.
We aren't dependent on US entirely which Pakistan was on US or China. We have our independent policies and have plenty of differences and issues US.
For the same reason, cold and dry state of affairs with any great or superpower won't hurt India on ground like it did to Pak or Iran or why N.K. needed an umbrella.
We are in a much better position in terms of economic, military power and tech-industrial power than anyone in second and third world (except Russia and China). And that's what our own policies explain. We just have to stay low and grow even more to ourselves emerge as a pole of power in future.
 

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Fun fact: Mauritius (and not the Maldives), has territorial claims over British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT).

Maybe a formal Indian endorsement of these territorial claims will be a great way to needle back at the US for its recent gaandmasti off Lakshadweep.

It's brilliant because:
  • India isn't claiming these islands, we're endorsing a third-party's claims
  • India gets to play the colonialism card, citing the history of the British ethnic-cleansing the islands off the locals to set up its base there
  • Diego Garcia currently isn't US territory, it's British, leased to the US
The Americans are facing certain eradication from the South China Sea, and are beginning to see the IOR as a "fallback position." Chicom shipping can still be clogged at IOR. So over the next many years, it's the US Navy - and not PLAN - which will cause headaches for New Delhi.

We need to start showing the Americans that if they want to lead a China-containment effort in the IOR, they can't accomplish this by disrespecting India.
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India already supports Mauritius claim in the UN and has previously voted in favor of UK giving back the island to its original owner. We can do nothing more in that regard and all possible diplomatic options have been exhausted.

India china africa all have already used the colonial card to no effect.

The Americans and the british like always continue to flout international rules as long as it is in their favor.

The only real response India can and should give right now is by sailing a few ships through Guam as international law allows according to America's own words and make it a habit to do so.

But witnessing the current debacle going on wrt china I'm pretty sure that northing of this sort will ever happen.
 

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India already supports Mauritius claim in the UN and has previously voted in favor of UK giving back the island to its original owner. We can do nothing more in that regard and all possible diplomatic options have been exhausted.

India china africa all have already used the colonial card to no effect.

The Americans and the british like always continue to flout international rules as long as it is in their favor.

The only real response India can and should give right now is by sailing a few ships through Guam as international law allows according to America's own words and make it a habit to do so.

But witnessing the current debacle going on wrt china I'm pretty sure that northing of this sort will ever happen.
The last time we brought up BIOT was in the 1980s. This would be the first post Cold War Indian endorsement of the Mauritian claims, and a strategic message to the US that it can't disrespect India in the IOR, that too within its EEZ.

Indian media could spark a fresh debate on the history of BIOT and why the British/Americans need to leave. It will certainly accomplish the goal of retaliating against this FONOP.

The next option would be sending a carrier battle group within 50 nmi of BIOT to conduct our own FONOP complete with MiG-29Ks swarming their radars, but that would tilt the narrative in their favor (India is being expansionist).
 

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The last time we brought up BIOT was in the 1980s. This would be the first post Cold War Indian endorsement of the Mauritian claims, and a strategic message to the US that it can't disrespect India in the IOR, that too within its EEZ.

Indian media could spark a fresh debate on the history of BIOT and why the British/Americans need to leave. It will certainly accomplish the goal of retaliating against this FONOP.

The next option would be sending a carrier battle group within 50 nmi of BIOT to conduct our own FONOP, but that would tilt the narrative in their favor (India is being expansionist).
We could bring it up again but it would be of little use.

India voted in favor of mauritius as recently as in february 2019.

Infact most European countries decided to abstain while many others voted against UK.

All and all Mauritius was able to gain massive support from around the globe.

UN even ordered UK to give back the islands in a span of 6 months which they ignored at this point chagos island dispute has become a dead issue since no matter how much we or china holler the US won't let UK give up on it without fighting a war first. A complete UN resolution backed by majority votes did nothing us raising the issue will be nothing more than 2 days of headlines.

The only language US and most countries in the world listin to is hard power.

The second US realizes that they are being challenged in IOR by both Indians and chinese as they are in process of being thrown out of SCS they will come back to their sense's.
 

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The next option would be sending a carrier battle group within 50 nmi of BIOT to conduct our own FONOP complete with MiG-29Ks swarming their radars, but that would tilt the narrative in their favor (India is being expansionist).
Regardless of us doing something like this, we will be called an expansionist force. That is the plan of Mullah kissing Biden administration since a long time. Modi should shake off his love for Yankee doodles and start doing what needs to be done.
 

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US should show some maturity and understand that such actions will only embolden china to do the same with us sighting the same reasons US gave us.
 

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Regardless of us doing something like this, we will be called an expansionist force. That is the plan of Mullah kissing Biden administration since a long time. Modi should shake off his love for Yankee doodles and start doing what needs to be done.
Hahaha, usa calling india an extortionists force.
Oh amriki , show me your passports .
 

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US should show some maturity and understand that such actions will only embolden china to do the same with us sighting the same reasons US gave us.
What makes you think that this is not what they want?
Hahaha, usa calling india an extortionists force.
Oh amriki , show me your passports .
Democrats represent some of the bases and vile elements in International polity. They will stop at nothing to put India on a tight spot. Democrats love Muzzies. They believe Pakistan to be a country like Israel, fighting a giant Arab like enemy in India. This is a reason why the loss of "Doland Trump" was a loss for us as well. Those who said policy would remain the same were just kidding themselves or do not know much about US policy/polity to begin with.
 

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Basically the Americans and British are under the illusion that BIOT is as defensible against India as the Falklands were against Argentina.

We need to snap them out of this illusion, particularly by showing them that when it comes to sovereignty, trade and economic ties are dispensable to India (as they were in 1971 and 1998/Pokhran).

Then they'll start taking our EEZs seriously.
 

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Basically the Americans and British are under the illusion that BIOT is as defensible against India as the Falklands were against Argentina.

We need to snap them out of this illusion, particularly by showing them that when it comes to sovereignty, trade and economic ties are dispensable to India (as they were in 1971 and 1998/Pokhran).

Then they'll start taking our EEZs seriously.
Sometimes a subtle message is what is really needed.

 

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Sometimes a subtle message is what is really needed.

Sometimes a subtle message is what is really needed.

ridiculous bit of this idiotic incident, there was. Quad + France naval exercise going in Bay of Bengal at the same time..


 

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If this situation then how QUAD will work. QUAD should work on common framework.
 

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If this situation then how QUAD will work. QUAD should work on common framework.
Quad is a myth, and became as good as dead after the Biden coup. This FONOP was a favor done to India as it brought sobriety and objectivity back to the US-enamored strategic debate in Delhi. All the Abhijeet Iyer types are cucked for answers.
 

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Quad is a myth, and became as good as dead after the Biden coup. This FONOP was a favor done to India as it brought sobriety and objectivity back to the US-enamored strategic debate in Delhi.
exactly, muricans are no longer taking up CCP threat on mission mode.

Perhaps the excuse this time is that CCP is not a threat to murica’s territorial sovereignty, so no need to hurry.
 

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QUAD as a military alliance was pretty frivolous from the begining. It is aimed at South China Sea trying to supress the ever increasing Chink Ganndmasti there. The countries involved is USA, Japan and Australia, who already have military alliance.

As far as Indian Ocean is concerned US views India with the same way as they view China in SCS, and US wants to preserve its hegemonic ways in Indian Ocean.

As far as Himalayan border LAC with China is concerned none of US, Japan, Australia is concerned. It is our own headache.
 

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