US - Iran Conflict 2020

[ezsasa]

So during your protesting days, which I bet you still romanticize until now (I can see the delight, tension, excitement, satisgaction and heartfelt passion in your eyes when you were making those wardens run around), were you also incited by the Americans?

Are Iranian univetsity students so dumb that they cannot think for themselves what's best for them? Would you not also protest if you are in their shoes in Iran?

Nah mate, those were cobol and pascal days. Internet was not common those days. So as a result, most of the students were level headed those days not the echo chamber zombies like today.

 

[Jatt.ak47]

Btw, do you also think the same way about Hongkong Pro-democracy protesters? Are they also protesting because they are incited by Americans? How about occupy wall street in America, who incited them?

Or are you the only one who has the ability to think for yourself while everybody else are just puppets by master puppeters?

Adolescence is a social construct.
If these uni protest **** were married with kids = no protest.

The fact they think unarmed young punks have any relevance = American incitement.

They're just expressing latent energy and trying to establish an identity, which is a roundabout way of finding a mate.
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Protest organization always takes money, and administrative expertise.
'Students' showing up with identical signs and slogans across a wide area, and literally advocating only Western values is suspicious.

Here' the thing also, the homosexual values of the beef eaters are false||
We don't care for the reasons, we'll crush them anyway||

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Btw, do you also think the same way about Hongkong Pro-democracy protesters? Are they also protesting because they are incited by Americans?

This issue reminds of india game to control sikkim when dispute between india and china was at boiling point.
How india worked to overthrow the rule Sikkim government and turned them into india.

In an assessment on May 7, 1973, Kao cautioned that Chogyal may change his attitude any moment and that JAC leaders should not feel frustrated and accuse the government of India of betrayal.

Over the next few months, R&AW instructed further anti-Chogyal demonstrations and rallies in Sikkim. Kao also instructed Banerjee to allow the Nepalese or other extremist elements of Darjeeling to join hands with JAC. “We must ensure that in any agreement reached among the various political parties, India’s special position in Sikkim is further strengthened. Neither the Durbar, nor the preponderant Nepalese community, nor the Bhutias/Lepchas should dominate the future setup of Sikkim. There should be ample scope for us to play one group against the other in future so that no one group becomes too powerful,” Kao wrote on his communication.

Kao added that India should look to have 70% of candidates (who are on its side) in the assembly. He also instructed Banerjee that people must be made aware of the disparity in development and progress between Sikkim and the neighbouring districts of West Bengal like Darjeeling so that they start demanding direct representation in Indian parliament, writes Gokhale.

 

[asianobserve]

Nah mate, those were cobol and pascal days. Internet was not common those days. So as a result, most of the students were level headed those days not the echo chamber zombies like today.

I believe that on "average" most young people now are better educated than the previous generation (including my gen) although it's time that brings wisdom. So on average I would say they have better grasp of complex ideas, they have more access to information, and that naturally makes them want to be free to determine their own fates, which Iran in its current theocratic form does not allow. Access to more info also makes the current generation less susciptible to manipulations. That also makes them value more individual freedom and fairness than collective sacrifice for religion and country.

 

[ezsasa]

Btw, do you also think the same way about Hongkong Pro-democracy protesters? Are they also protesting because they are incited by Americans? How about occupy wall street in America, who incited them?

Or are you the only one who has the ability to think for yourself while everybody else are just puppets by master puppeters?

ever since the inventors of text2mob created a company called twitter, every large protest across the world has outside support.

Every society has grievances, but the scale , international coverage and rapid accumulation of masses on the street these days points to a intelligence behind it.

Yes, occupy Wall Street was a test run.

 

[asianobserve]

This issue reminds of india game to control sikkim when dispute between india and china was at boiling point.
How india worked to overthrow the rule Sikkim government and turned them into india.

In an assessment on May 7, 1973, Kao cautioned that Chogyal may change his attitude any moment and that JAC leaders should not feel frustrated and accuse the government of India of betrayal.

Over the next few months, R&AW instructed further anti-Chogyal demonstrations and rallies in Sikkim. Kao also instructed Banerjee to allow the Nepalese or other extremist elements of Darjeeling to join hands with JAC. “We must ensure that in any agreement reached among the various political parties, India’s special position in Sikkim is further strengthened. Neither the Durbar, nor the preponderant Nepalese community, nor the Bhutias/Lepchas should dominate the future setup of Sikkim. There should be ample scope for us to play one group against the other in future so that no one group becomes too powerful,” Kao wrote on his communication.

Kao added that India should look to have 70% of candidates (who are on its side) in the assembly. He also instructed Banerjee that people must be made aware of the disparity in development and progress between Sikkim and the neighbouring districts of West Bengal like Darjeeling so that they start demanding direct representation in Indian parliament, writes Gokhale.

So you think HK protesters are simply being manipulated or orchestrated by America?

 

[asianobserve]

ever since the inventors of text2mob created a company called twitter, every large protest across the world has outside support.

Every society has grievances, but the scale , international coverage and rapid accumulation of masses on the street these days points to a intelligence behind it.

Yes, occupy Wall Street was a test run.

If we were able to mobilize in 1986 on a nationwide scale and toppled a 20-year old American-backed dictator (Marcos) simply by AM, FM radios, underground newspapers and newsletters, how much more now with lightning speed communications? But it does not mean that the impetus, idea, desire is coming from outside. It just means that in the case of Iranians they are using outside tech which are available to more efficiently organize. Think about how the Hongkong protesters outsmarted HK police by app messaging. But are you saying that those HK protesters were being manipulated by America through these tech apps or their contents?

As I said, it's counter protesters (in support of totalitarian regimes) that I am always skeptical off. These are normally the ones who are paid to be present at a particular location at the same time being mostly ignorant of the issues at play.

 

[Armand2REP]

Automatic mode is on all Soviet complexes. It was created specifically in case the crew is defeated by WMD. Everyone is dead, but the automation continues to work.

The auto mode is for networked C&C from a central location. If the Iranian TOR had been networked they would have seen the air traffic was not hostile. They cheaped out and left them as stand alone units. There is always a man in the loop, this is not Terminator from the movies.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

So you think HK protesters are simply being manipulated or orchestrated by America?

Can be and it IS.
HK is becoming idiotic because they were under British rule for decades and eventually learned their values and other things for a long they were treated pathetically but eventually before giving them freedom they played a game and gave them right to choose a governor and forced Chinese government to accept HK democracy after leaving them and this was the beginning of the issue and plague the values which British installed the population their were able to outcast support which they would have felt for their native Chinese.
Because of all this and off course western influence was all time high in HK even after independence created this turmoil.

Every dispute is created in order to support or disturb the other side. Non of the constant protest happen without the propaganda long term brainwashing etc.

Even in india different group's are supporting and promoting toxic ideology for their own benefits. This is the reason why all International news agencies talk shit about BJP and etc.

 

[asianobserve]

Can be and it IS.
HK is becoming idiotic because they were under British rule for decades and eventually learned their values and other things for a long they were treated pathetically but eventually before giving them freedom they played a game and gave them right to choose a governor and forced Chinese government to accept HK democracy after leaving them and this was the beginning of the issue and plague the values which British installed the population their were able to outcast support which they would have felt for their native Chinese.
Because of all this and off course western influence was all time high in HK even after independence created this turmoil.

Every dispute is created in order to support or disturb the other side. Non of the constant protest happen without the propaganda long term brainwashing etc.

Even in india different group's are supporting and promoting toxic ideology for their own benefits. This is the reason why all International news agencies talk shit about BJP and etc.

The first country I've been to outside of the Philippines is Hongkong. And I go to HK at least twice a year sometimes for business, sometimes for vacation and sometimes both. So I know a little about them. The first thing that struck me when I talked to HK taxi drivers is their disdain for mainlanders and China. I think the first time I heard HK grievances against mainland China was in 2000. Since then the complains have only grown more widespread and more serious. Whereas before the complaints were mistly about lack of manners, abusiveness, rising land prices, now it's already about their identity.

So if I were you I would look deeper into HK issue. They're not simply mindless puppets. In fact, Hongkongers are among the most educated people in the World. The younger ones especially.

 

[ezsasa]

If we were able to mobilize in 1986 on a nationwide scale and toppled a 20-year old American-backed dictator (Marcos) simply by AM, FM radios, underground newspapers and newsletters, how much more now with lightning speed communications? But it does not mean that the impetus, idea, desire is coming from outside. It just means that in the case of Iranians they are using outside tech which are available to more efficiently organize. Think about how the Hongkong protesters outsmarted HK police by app messaging. But are you saying that those HK protesters were being manipulated by America through these tech apps or their contents?

As I said, it's counter protesters (in support of totalitarian regimes) that I am always skeptical off. These are normally the ones who are paid to be present at a particular location at the same time being mostly ignorant of the issues at play.

First let’s note that your reality and my reality is not the same, in the sense that my opinions are formed by things going on around me.

I am seeing twitter trends everyday sponsored by Pakistan, masses are being influenced from beyond their sovereign territory.

 

[asianobserve]

First let’s note that your reality and my reality is not the same, in the sense that my opinions are formed by things going on around me.

I am seeing twitter trends everyday sponsored by Pakistan, masses are being influenced from beyond their sovereign territory.

Don't tell me we did not depose a 20-year old dictator who was supported by America through mass protests in what is niw called Edsa 1? How much real can that be?

In fact, it was the USAF that whisked the Marcos family out of the country to Hawaii. But on hindsight that act gave Marcos an exit strategy thus preventing further bloodshed. Otherwise, if he had nowhere to go he would have used the military of which 80% was loyal to him to crush the nationwide protests against him. In fact, his top general Ver (his first cousin) was urging him to give the order to fire on the mutineers (a small band of soldiers who turned against Marcos) which sparked the nationwide protests.

 

[ezsasa]

Don't tell me we did not depose a 20-year old dictator who was supported by America through mass protests in what is niw called Edsa 1? How much real can that be?

In fact, it was the USAF that whisked the Marcos family out of the country to Hawaii. But on hindsight that act gave Marcos an exit strategy thus preventing further bloodshed. Otherwise, if he had nowhere to go he would have used the military of which 80% was loyal to him to crush the nationwide protests against him. In fact, his top general Ver (his first cousin) was urging him to give the order to fire on the mutineers (a small band of soldiers who turned against Marcos) which sparked the nationwide protests.

We are not talking about your youthful days, we are talking about today.

US played games in India too during cold war days.

If you lost the chain of my argument, plz go and check my original post which triggered this conversation.

Social media mobilisation by outside forces are the biggest threat to national security in present times. They are leading to loss of human lives everywhere.

Case in point...

Arab spring in Syria...

 

[Jatt.ak47]

Education doesn't raise IQ one iota.
You're a brainwashed Khatwa.

Individual Freedom is not some universal position that all enlightened people arrive at.
Individualism is very much a concept rooted in christian norms & doctrines.

Those students are obviously ready to sacrifice for the liberal collective.
Those students want jobs in western institutions otherwise

Tell me what benefit does individual freedom have for a soldier or mullah?
You 'students' want to become the new priestly class of the society and direct the country towards western values.

Towards America whom you look up to as the sole source/beacon of prosperity and enlightenment.

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You are exhibit 0 of how Americanized Universities, who receive moral marching orders from Harvard/London, merely create sepoys/foot soldiers out of gullible youth.

You are white-washed in other words, and proud of it.

 

[Jatt.ak47]

The first country I've been to outside of the Philippines is Hongkong. And I go to HK at least twice a year sometimes for business, sometimes for vacation and sometimes both. So I know a little about them. The first thing that struck me when I talked to HK taxi drivers is their disdain for mainlanders and China. I think the first time I heard HK grievances against mainland China was in 2000. Since then the complains have only grown more widespread and more serious. Whereas before the complaints were mistly about lack of manners, abusiveness, rising land prices, now it's already about their identity.

So if I were you I would look deeper into HK issue. They're not simply mindless puppets. In fact, Hongkongers are among the most educated people in the World. The younger ones especially.

http://spandrell.com/2019/08/25/hong-kong-and-the-perils-of-nativism/

What identity?

Hong Kong's basic identity is of being richer/higher status than the Mainland.
Now, that this is no longer true they would rather fight than accept this reality.

 

[Akim]

The auto mode is for networked C&C from a central location. If the Iranian TOR had been networked they would have seen the air traffic was not hostile. They cheaped out and left them as stand alone units. There is always a man in the loop, this is not Terminator from the movies.

I explain that there is such an opportunity to work. This is another aspect; whether he acted as part of a network or worked autonomously. Departure of the flight was delayed by 1.5 hours. This, too, could add to the confusion in electronic brains. Let the investigation answer these questions, This is not my specificity.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

The first country I've been to outside of the Philippines is Hongkong. And I go to HK at least twice a year sometimes for business, sometimes for vacation and sometimes both. So I know a little about them. The first thing that struck me when I talked to HK taxi drivers is their disdain for mainlanders and China. I think the first time I heard HK grievances against mainland China was in 2000. Since then the complains have only grown more widespread and more serious. Whereas before the complaints were mistly about lack of manners, abusiveness, rising land prices, now it's already about their identity.

So if I were you I would look deeper into HK issue. They're not simply mindless puppets. In fact, Hongkongers are among the most educated people in the World. The younger ones especially.

You made it all easy. Read what you say.

Propaganda from the last decade from the time Brits started leaving was to create ideology and values which will make them turn them against their own kind Chinese.
That's why we have so much hate for Chinese and suddenly HK starts to raise question about it's own identity. Perfect

Yeah yeah same thing happens in india first commi leftist other foreign funded groups talk about bla bla shit and then it become question about identity etc.

 

[asianobserve]

Iranian students refuse to walk on US and Israeli flags...


How 40 years can change...

 

[asianobserve]

You made it all easy. Read what you say.

Propaganda from the last decade from the time Brits started leaving was to create ideology and values which will make them turn them against their own kind Chinese.
That's why we have so much hate for Chinese and suddenly HK starts to raise question about it's own identity. Perfect

Yeah yeah same thing happens in india first commi leftist other foreign funded groups talk about bla bla shit and then it become question about identity etc.

Regardless of your hatred for the Brits, their system of government, that HK copied, is world's apart from CCCP. So do not blame Hongkongers for expressing anger to being forced to give up their laws, autonomy, freedoms that they have known since they were born.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Regardless of your hatred for the Brits

I hate no one.
If you don't have valid point then don't start using clichés