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Three possibilities:
a) There's been a lot of bad blood lately, so Pakis are cautious.
b) They have their hands full of enough domestic issues to bother about what movie is not digested by whom.
c) Some big dollars are in pipeline and hence the "yours obediently" across all Paki power centers move only to wag their tails.

:hmm: Which one do you think?


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a combination of B and C.
 

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Don’t Blame the Marines: Here’s Who is Supposed to Protect U.S. Diplomats - Popular Mechanics

Marine Security Guards: Contrary to popular belief, Marines aren't really stationed at embassies or consulates to protect diplomats. They are there primarily to protect secret information—embassy buildings often process classified information, and many host CIA personnel as well. Marines are there to protect—and if necessary destroy—any classified information so it doesn't fall into enemy hands. Foreign officers are told in their initial training not to think of the Marines as their personal bodyguards in case of an attack.

The Marine Corps itself makes this clear: "The primary mission of the Marine Security Guard (MSG) is to provide internal security at designated U.S. diplomatic and consular facilities in order to prevent the compromise of classified material vital to the national security of the United States."

That said, the Marines can and do provide security in case the embassy is attacked and other security measures fail. "[T]he MSGs' mission is to delay any hostile group long enough to destroy classified material and aid in safeguarding the lives of diplomatic personnel," according to the State Department.

Fleet Anti-Terrorism Teams, or FAST teams: The administration has reportedly sent about 50 Marines to Libya as part of a FAST team deployment to shore up security in the aftermath of the Benghazi attacks. The teams, which are meant to respond to terrorist threats, are not part of an embassy's regular security, however.

Diplomatic Security: Diplomatic Security Officers are members of the Foreign Service, designated as "specialists." Although Diplomatic Security officers are law enforcement special agents, their role is more of a management one when it comes to protecting the embassy and its staff—they work with the host country to provide security. Diplomatic Security also has other responsibilities, ranging from investigating visa fraud to screening potential local employees interested in working for the embassy.

Private Security Contractors: Although the host country is responsible for maintaining security outside the embassy, the U.S. State Department will typically employ private guards at the perimeter. Those guards are often residents of the country, or third-country nationals, who are responsible for initial screening measures such as checking cars for weapons or bombs. The State Department also employs companies to provide highly trained protective security details to diplomats. "Diplomats will often have private security details that are ex-military, such as former SEALs," says Doug Brooks, president of the International Stability Operations Association (ISOA), a group representing private contractors.
 

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I would say India is in a perilous position, India has a lot of Islamic neighbors and large population of muslims.....and ongoing problems with Muslims.....
It's become increasingly apparent that India is not free from the terror of Islamic extremism. Even in the United States and Britain, an appalling proportion of college-age Muslims support, in some cases, violence for Islam's sake (about 26 percent in the United States and 32 percent in Britain). In India, where an ugly history between Muslims and Hindus pervades and the country's 1.1 million citizens includes 150 million Muslims, it wouldn't, or maybe didn't, take much of a spark to start a devastating fire.

Faithworld breaks down the numbers:


For years, India had been seen as country that had largely rejected the attractions of global militancy spurred on by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. U.S. President George W. Bush notably said there were no Indians in al Qaeda.

But mainly Hindu India is home to one of the world's biggest Muslim populations, around 13 percent of its 1.1 billion people.

It only takes 0.0001 percent of India's roughly 150 million Muslims to form a nucleus of 15,000 militants, as Uday Bhaskar, former director of New Delhi's Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, told me.

And the attacks on Ahmedabad may have involved dozens of people.

"We have crossed the tipping point," he said.
The situation in the US & Britain is not the same as in India. The vast majority of Muslims in the former are recent immigrants, or maybe 2nd or 3rd generation descendents of immigrants. This group includes Pakistanis, Arabs and Muslim Africans which are steeped in backward thinking, and are most liable to reject Western values as a result of having grown up in ghettos or being taught by their immigrant parents that their Islamic values are superior to western values.

Indian Muslims are not immigrants, they have lived together side by side within the larger crucible of Hindu civilization for generations. As a result, their thinking is not very different from that of the rest of society, and extremists among them are relatively few and far in-between.

Those Indian Muslims that do turn extremist often find little support within even their own community, and as a result, most of them are either living in Pakistan or the Middle East. Yes, there are one or two Muslim extremist politicians, but they have little support beyond their own votebanks.

The arguably greater threat in India is Hindu extremism. Hindu extremists have formed political parties, organized pogroms against Muslims and even ruled at the centre through a coalition government.
 
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Film protests: US orders Tunisia and Sudan withdrawal

The United States has ordered non-essential diplomatic staff and their families to leave Sudan and Tunisia.

In a statement, the State Department also urged US citizens in Tunisia to make their way out of the country.

The US embassies in the Tunisian and Sudanese capitals have both been attacked in the wave of anti-US protests in the Muslim world over an anti-Islam film made in the US.
Source: BBC News
 

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Blog: U.S. Government Supports Pussy Riot (But Not 'Innocence of Muslims')
I noticed an interesting contradiction between the way the U.S. government reacted to the jail sentences handed down to Russian punk activists "Pussy Riot" and the way it responded to the YouTube video "Innocence of Muslims" that has supposedly led to mass riots throughout the Middle East and the murder of the U.S. Ambassador to Libya.

On August 17, Victoria Nuland, spokeswoman for Hillary Clinton's State Department, issued the following press release in response to the two-year prison sentences handed down to Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and Yekaterina Samutsevich for desecrating the altar of a Russian Orthodox Cathedral:

"The United States is concerned about both the verdict and the disproportionate sentences handed down by a Moscow court in the case against the members of the band Pussy Riot and the negative impact on freedom of expression in Russia.

We urge Russian authorities to review this case and ensure that the right to freedom of expression is upheld."

But Tolokonnikova and Samutsevitch are not a couple of innocent little "babes in the woods." Tolokonnikova previously took part in public group sex (while she was nine months pregnant) at a Russian museum in a stunt labeled as "performance art." Both Tolokonnikova and Samutsevitch were previously affiliated with the "performance art" group Voina, which has a reputation for performing gross and obscene acts in public.

By contrast, on September 14, Clinton, speaking about the YouTube video "Innocence of Muslims" that allegedly sparked the protests and attacks on U.S. diplomatic posts, sang a very different tune:

"The United States government... absolutely reject[s the] content and message [of the video]... to us, to me personally, this video is disgusting and reprehensible. It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose: to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage."

And that's not the half of it. According to Politico, "Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey called Florida pastor Terry Jones on Wednesday to ask him to withdraw his support for the video that some reports have linked with anti-American unrest in the Muslim world," and AP reports that "A Southern California filmmaker linked to an anti-Islamic movie inflaming protests across the Middle East was interviewed Saturday by federal probation officers at a Los Angeles sheriff's station" but apparently not arrested.

So. The U.S. government lectures the Russians about "freedom of expression" in defense of freaks who engage in public sex, public vandalism, and the denigration of a "great religion," the Russian Orthodox Church.

But when Americans exercise First Amendment freedoms that Muslims dislike, the Secretary of State reproaches them, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs calls them to encourage them to cease and desist, and federal law enforcement officers haul them in for questioning.

Who's living in the police state now?
 

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A retired US Army Colonel David hunt has revealed in an interview that Hillary Clinton took the decision of deploying any marines in Benghazi.

Colonel: Hillary Made Decision Not to Post Marines at Benghazi

Excerpts:

In an exclusive interview with Breitbart News, Fox News military analyst Colonel David Hunt laid the blame for the murder of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans at the Benghazi, Libya American mission on Hillary Clinton and the State Department:
"The State Department just allowed our guys to get killed. If you approve no bullets in guns for the mission security guards and an outhouse for a mission, you're inviting it"

Hunt told Breitbart News that the new State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya, approved and signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton since the 2011 fall of Khadafi's regime, severely compromised the safety and security of murdered Ambassador Stevens and all American diplomatic staff in Libya.

He also stated that the decision not to staff Benghazi with Marines was made by Secretary of State Clinton when she attached her signature to the State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya document. Breitbart News has subsequently learned that under those rules of engagement, Secretary Clinton prohibited Marines from providing security at any American diplomatic installation in Libya.

Hunt told Breitbart News that "the rules of engagement have been changing drastically over the last 10 years. . . The reason the surge in Iraq worked was we had another 40,000 soldiers and the rules of engagement were changed to allow our guys to shoot. What's happened in Libya is the final straw of political correctness. We allowed a contractor to hire local nationals as security guards, but said they can't have bullets. This was all part of the point of not having a high profile in Libya"....

.... No one at the State Department has yet answered this key question:
"Why on the anniversary of 9-11 was he at the low security mission in Benghazi when it would obviously have been more prudent for him to have been at the presumably more secure embassy in Tripoli?" ....
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And here adding some spice to the situation :-

54 Members of Congress Accepted Money From Hamas Terrorists: Federal Judge Confirms CAIR Are Hamas Terrorists! | Political Vel Craft
1.Hamas is a U.S. State Department-designated terrorist organization that professes to be a "Nation of Jihad".1, 2
2.CAIR is a front organization of Hamas.3
3.At least 54 Members of Congress are aiding, working with, taking money from and/or acting as a front for CAIR (i.e., Hamas, i.e., a U.S. State Department-designated terrorist organization).
Chaos at the State Dept? | Power Line
I spoke with a well-placed journalist last night whose sources describe the situation at the State Department in one word: "Chaos." The working assumption is that several American embassies may have been penetrated, or are vulnerable to attack, because so many of them rely on local residents for staff needs at the embassy, and as such may be in a position to breach security if they have been recruited by Al Qaida.

The consulate in Benghazi was an interim facility, with only a standard door lock for security, and worse, Ambassador Stevens was traveling with only a light security detail, rather than in the heavily armed convoys our diplomats in the region usually employ. The attack on the Benghazi was no mere target of opportunity spurred by reaction to the "Innocence of Muslims" film; the film is just a pretext. The killing of Amb. Stevens was a premeditated hit, planned and carried out as retaliation for the recent drone strike that killed the number two Al Qaida operative in Afghanistan recently. The vulnerability of Stevens at the Benghazi compound was scouted out carefully
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VIDEO PROOF OF OBAMA’S EMBASSY ATTACK LIES…(WARNING – GRAPHIC CONTENT) - The Ulsterman Report

For days now the Obama administration and supporters in the mainstream media have claimed the attacks on American embassies in the Middle East were not attacks on America – or the policies of the Obama government. These reports have also attempted to suggest Libyans, once they found Ambassador Christopher Stevens, attempted to save him by transporting the ambassador to a nearby hospital. Video evidence now paints a very different and far more disturbing picture. The body of a man who appears to be the ambassador is shown being dragged upon the ground as those gathered around cheer. If Barack Obama so willingly lies about details of a U.S. ambassador's death, what else is he lying about? How deeply into the administration does this now growing scandal go? And will the American people allow the president to get away with this deception? A final note – readers should be reminded that after being made aware of the death of Ambassador Stevens, Barack Obama flew off to Las Vegas for yet another political fundraiser.
 

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W. G is like most republicans,,they would like to be able to get votes by saying Obamas too soft on Muslim because hes a Muslim or has sympathies for them.....The America People are not buying what they are selling......the see the drone attacks, they seen Obama make the decision to invade Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laded,, they see the drone strikes in Yemen, Somalia,,,, the Philippines that you never heard about. The American people know Muslims are mad at us,that not real hard to figure out,,,,,, they know its not just the anti Muslims tapes,,, where the Republicans get real weird is when they are asked what they would do that is different,, then they run for the door. What would the Republicans do about Afghanistan. Send in more troops .. that's not going to fly, start a war with Iran that's not going to fly...... Hillary speaks out of the video for lessen tensions between Muslims and the USA as it part of her job..

MOD: Edited for a dozen of spelling mistakes.
 

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^^

You are giving all the credit for getting OBL to Obama. You are naïve and shallow, to take things on its superficial value. What you saw was that OBL was caught and killed under Obama's presidency. What you have not seen is the years of effort, starting with Bush, to setup networks, intelligence cells, secret missions, that all led to OBL's end.
 

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W. G is like most republicans,...
I am not a member of the Republican or Democratic parties. You show your ignorance by making assumptions regarding somebody you know nothing about.

I know lies when I hear them, and Obama lies every time he opens his mouth. Hillary apologizes to the world for the US having freedom of speech.

Yes, unfortunately you are an "average-american" and all that that implies.
 

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Hillary speaks out of the vidio fo lessen tentions between Muslims and the USA as it part of her job..
But hasn't her decision on security in Benghazi back fired?
Has the US Govt. failed in diagnosing the radical Islamic reactions (after knowing such Islamics since Soviet war)?
Or was it just laxity coming out as a side effect of general appeasement policy?
About this incident, whatever has come to public knowledge surely points to huge gaps that the enemy leveraged.
I thought only us Indians were that sloppy :rolleyes:

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Still wondering that if the video was so ameteurish, low standard as the elite media tells us .. how did the consequences reaped become so devastating. What gives?
Could these be the consequences of not just a stupid video .. but of the long standing policy to fund, support radical Islamic outfits and leaders.
This has been in vogue since at least the Soviet war or perhaps even before.
And then the recent western impulse of thrusting sudden democracy in the Islamic world gave these snakes a chance to turn on their old time feeding hand?
Isn't this the Afghanistan Sequal in a different way where the same fundamental mistakes causing both the disasters?
 

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^^

You are giving all the credit for getting OBL to Obama. You are naïve and shallow, to take things on its superficial value. What you saw was that OBL was caught and killed under Obama's presidency. What you have not seen is the years of effort, starting with Bush, to setup networks, intelligence cells, secret missions, that all led to OBL's end.

The point is that the person who get the aim done, always gets the credit.

The US Foreign Policy was foundationed by John Foster Dulles, but the credit was usurped by so many like Kissinger and Brzezinski, and even Bush who all of course tweaked it,

One could say Kissinger woke the Chinese dragon and the US is now regretting it!

Napoleon had said - let China sleep, for when she awakes the world will regret it!
 

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Where is OIC??? Why not thakedar of Islam and thakedar of Muslim umma pakistan, issue notice to all arab world to stop oil to ammercia and EU:taunt::taunt::taunt:


:wave::wave:
 

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Where is OIC??? Why not thakedar of Islam and thakedar of Muslim umma pakistan, issue notice to all arab world to stop oil to ammercia and EU:taunt::taunt::taunt:


:wave::wave:

If they stop oil, they will shrivel up and die.

They know how to play a double game.

Shrieks are pious within their four walls and they they act as philanders when they are abroad.

Each idiot has a western wife or a concubine!
 

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If they stop oil, they will shrivel up and die.

They know how to play a double game.

Shrieks are pious within their four walls and they they act as philanders when they are abroad.

Each idiot has a western wife or a concubine!


:thumb::thumb::thumb:
 

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U.S. intel cable warned Cairo embassy — but not Benghazi consulate — of possible violence on September 10; Update: Susan Rice caught lying? « Hot Air
The cable, dispatched from Washington on September 10, the day before protests erupted, advised the embassy the broadcasts [of the Mohammed movie] could provoke violence. It did not direct specific measures to upgrade security, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

However, under standard diplomatic procedures, Egyptian government officials and security forces were notified of U.S. concerns, since host governments are responsible for ensuring the security of foreign diplomatic missions on their soil, the sources said.

Copies of the cable were not sent to other U.S. outposts in the region, including the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, where violence took the life of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. The ties between the Benghazi violence and the crude anti-Muslim film are still unclear.
 

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