US Embassy attacked in Libya and Egypt

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I expect theres lot more to this then just the video, mainly its just frustration that they are backward, poor powerless and also a back lash against the USA takeing out Iraq, and the drone strikes around the world......it doesnt mean we should not keep on doing what we are doing.....they had better just get use to stuff like on this video,,, that is going to get a lot worse now that a lot of people see how mad it makes muslims.
 

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All these are just a prelude to the oncoming clash between the Islamic vs Western civilization.

And its India's position that is most perilous in this.
 

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The key here are the preachers in the Mosques. Most mosques in the ME will go to their Friday prayers, what will their leaders preach, moderation or revenge for the slight on Mohammed?
 

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The key here are the preachers in the Mosques. Most mosques in the ME will go to their Friday prayers, what will their leaders preach, moderation or revenge for the slight on Mohammed?
You know what it is. ;)
 

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All these are just a prelude to the oncoming clash between the Islamic vs Western civilization.

And its India's position that is most perilous in this.
That will be an interesting clash. The Islamists could have taken over Europe, the easy way, that is the way Christianity did, but I guess they ain't that bright.
 

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All these are just a prelude to the oncoming clash between the Islamic vs Western civilization.

And its India's position that is most perilous in this.
That is correct. The bomb was armed from a long time, since centuries, and now the countdown has begun. India however, is not in a perilous position. Atleast, the threats of it don't come from outside but inside. Therefore, silence and ignorance is the best policy, let those who want to protest, protest peacefully, there is no reason why one has to violently protest. Indian muslims could do a tit-for-tat and produce a movie that slanders Christ, if they feel raw about it, and let that movie be made like a real comedy not as crappy as the current movie.
 

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That will be an interesting clash. The Islamists could have taken over Europe, the easy way, that is the way Christianity did, but I guess they ain't that bright.
Can you elaborate ?
 

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All these are just a prelude to the oncoming clash between the Islamic vs Western civilization.
And its India's position that is most perilous in this.
I think Islam and Christianity find each other to be cousins ultimately, quarrelsome but cousins.
Some of their ranks also realize that they will only hurt each other in the process.
However what these ideologies do perceive as an alien and appropriate target, is the Indic civilization.
Furthermore, they know that she's resilient, enduring and all, but she doesn't bite back.

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Is it written anywhere in the video that it is made by the US or supported by the US Government?

Who is directing these crowds to attack the US embassies?

Why is it happening in Libya and Egypt and not in other countries?

My take for this is that this is being orchestrated by those who were kicked out of power and position by the Arab Spring which was actively supported by the US.
 

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I think Islam and Christianity find each other to be cousins ultimately, quarrelsome but cousins.
Some of their ranks also realize that they will only hurt each other in the process.
However what these ideologies do perceive as an alien and appropriate target, is the Indic civilization.
Furthermore, they know that she's resilient, enduring and all, but she doesn't bite back.

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Virendra
This not a conflict between Christianty and Islam,,, its a conflict between Islam and the modern world,,,
"Today we are the poorest, the most illiterate, the most backward, the most unhealthy, the most un-enlightened, the most deprived, and the weakest of all the human race," he told the delegates. President Musharraf
They are blameing the west and takeing their frustrations out mainly on the USA....the USA is not going to maintain an army of censors like China to censor the internet to avoid offending Muslims or anyone else.....
 

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It maybe a clash between anyone, but it is turning the world on its head!
 

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That is correct. The bomb was armed from a long time, since centuries, and now the countdown has begun. India however, is not in a perilous position. Atleast, the threats of it don't come from outside but inside. Therefore, silence and ignorance is the best policy, let those who want to protest, protest peacefully, there is no reason why one has to violently protest. Indian muslims could do a tit-for-tat and produce a movie that slanders Christ, if they feel raw about it, and let that movie be made like a real comedy not as crappy as the current movie.
I would say India is in a perilous position, India has a lot of Islamic neighbors and large population of muslims.....and ongoing problems with Muslims.....
It's become increasingly apparent that India is not free from the terror of Islamic extremism. Even in the United States and Britain, an appalling proportion of college-age Muslims support, in some cases, violence for Islam's sake (about 26 percent in the United States and 32 percent in Britain). In India, where an ugly history between Muslims and Hindus pervades and the country's 1.1 million citizens includes 150 million Muslims, it wouldn't, or maybe didn't, take much of a spark to start a devastating fire.

Faithworld breaks down the numbers:


For years, India had been seen as country that had largely rejected the attractions of global militancy spurred on by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. U.S. President George W. Bush notably said there were no Indians in al Qaeda.

But mainly Hindu India is home to one of the world's biggest Muslim populations, around 13 percent of its 1.1 billion people.

It only takes 0.0001 percent of India's roughly 150 million Muslims to form a nucleus of 15,000 militants, as Uday Bhaskar, former director of New Delhi's Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses, told me.

And the attacks on Ahmedabad may have involved dozens of people.

"We have crossed the tipping point," he said.
 

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Spotlight Is on Libya, but Bigger Challenge for White House May Lie in Egypt
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By HELENE COOPER and MARK LANDLER
Published: September 12, 2012

WASHINGTON — For all the harrowing images of the deadly attack on the American mission in Benghazi, Libya, the Obama administration is grappling with the possibility that its far bigger long-term problem lies in Egypt, not Libya.

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The president found less reason to be pleased with Egypt, the second-largest recipient of American foreign aid after Israel, at $2 billion a year. Mr. Morsi issued only a mild rebuke of the rioters — and on Facebook — while his movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, has called for a second day of protests against the lurid anti-Muslim video that set off the riots. And though the Egyptian police coordinated with American officials, Mr. Morsi waited 24 hours before issuing his statement against the militants who stormed the embassy; Libyan authorities issued immediate, unequivocal statements of regret for the bloodshed in Benghazi.

Mr. Obama seemed to indicate that the American relationship with Egypt was evolving. "I don't think that we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy," he said in an interview with Telemundo that was broadcast Wednesday night on "The Rachel Maddow Show" on MSNBC. "I think it's still a work in progress, but certainly in this situation, what we're going to expect is that they are responsive to our insistence that our embassy is protected, our personnel is protected."

For the United States, "politically the bigger issue is Egypt," said Martin S. Indyk, a former United States ambassador to Israel. "On the one hand, you didn't have Americans getting killed, but this was the fourth time an embassy was assaulted in Cairo with the Egyptian police doing precious little," Mr. Indyk said. "And where was President Morsi's condemnation of this?"

Several foreign policy experts said they worried that Mr. Morsi was putting appeasement of his country's Islamist population ahead of national security. That comes on top of other moves by his government, including restrictions on press freedom and squabbling with Israel over how to crack down on terrorists taking root in the Sinai Peninsula.

While the killing of Mr. Stevens is a "tragedy," said Robert Malley, Middle East and North Africa program director at the International Crisis Group, "in the longer term, Libya mainly is a problem for Libyans." What happens in Egypt, by contrast, from "popular attitudes toward the U.S., to its domestic economy, to relations between the Muslim Brotherhood and the army, to relations between Cairo and Jerusalem, to the situation in Sinai, will profoundly affect the region, and so will profoundly affect America's posture in the region," he said.

What makes Egypt's uncertain course so vexing for the White House is that Mr. Obama, more than any other foreign leader, has sided again and again with the Arab street in Cairo, even when it meant going expressly against the wishes of traditional allies, including the Egyptian military, the Persian Gulf states and Israel.

As recently as June, Mr. Obama was calling on the Egyptian military to quickly hand over power to the democratically elected civilian government — a move that helped Mr. Morsi, whose movement has called for greater use of Islamic law, assume power. At the same time, the administration was chastising the military, which has for 30 years served as the bulwark of a crucial American strategic interest in the Middle East: the 1979 Camp David peace treaty between Egypt and Israel.

For anti-American unrest to erupt in Egypt after all that could reflect a deeper divergence of a once-staunch ally from the United States. Mr. Morsi's belated reaction came after other actions that have troubled American officials, from his decision to attend a meeting of nonaligned countries in Tehran to his choice of China for one of his first foreign trips. Mr. Obama has pledged to forgive $1 billion in Egyptian debt.

"How does the president go to the Hill and say, 'We need to forgive $1 billion in Egyptian debt?' " said Steven A. Cook, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. "The complication is that this is happening six weeks before the election. The things that the administration wants to do in Egypt have become a heavier lift."

David Makovsky, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said: "There are some real serious questions about the direction of the Egyptian government. Some of this will be submerged because of the election, but it is likely to come back later."

The violence in Libya and Egypt reinforces what has been true from the start of the Arab uprisings last year: These are homegrown popular movements over which the United States has at best limited influence.

The odds of success may be greater in Libya, some analysts said, since that country's problems are rooted in a lack of effective governance and security problems with a heavily armed populace, rather than in a newly empowered movement with a long history of suspicion of the United States.

The killing of Mr. Stevens sets back American efforts to help Libya with its transition, officials said, but only because he was such a tireless figure in this work.

"Libya's public is quite pro-American, so it might produce a backlash against those responsible," said Dennis B. Ross, a former senior adviser on the Middle East in the White House.

In Egypt, by contrast, Mr. Ross said: "Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood continue to live according to their own reality. If they want to attract any amount of economic support and investment from the outside, they're going to have to create an environment of security."
 

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I hope the US takes some good hard action,who gives a damn about that [edited] Muhammad
dont worry usa is not india where 165 loss of lives result in stopping cricket between india and pakistan but usa would give reply in their own language
 

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US is dumb enough to support Islamic MB and other 7th century Islamic nutjobs.....Btw pakistan needs dollars, it's bloated army needs Dollars! However....







 
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Al Qaeda in Yemen urges Muslims to kill U.S. diplomats over film - Yahoo! News

Al Qaeda in Yemen urges Muslims to kill U.S. diplomats over film


DUBAI (Reuters) - The Yemen-based branch of al Qaeda urged Muslims to step up protests and kill more U.S. diplomats in Muslim countries after a U.S.-made film mocking the Prophet Mohammad which it said was another chapter in the "crusader wars" against Islam.
"Whoever comes across America's ambassadors or emissaries should follow the example of Omar al-Mukhtar's descendants (Libyans), who killed the American ambassador," the group said, referring to Tuesday's attack on the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi.
"Let the step of kicking out the embassies be a step towards liberating Muslim countries from the American hegemony," a statement posted on an Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) website on Saturday said.
Fury about the film swept across the Middle East after Friday prayers, with protesters attacking U.S. embassies and in protests that killed at least seven people and prompted Washington to send troops to bolster security at its missions.
"The film published in America which insults our Prophet Mohammad, peace be upon him, comes as part of the continuing crusader wars against Islam," AQAP's statement said, referring to European wars in the region some 1,000 years ago.
"The incident is so huge that the resources of the nation should be pooled together to kick out the embassies of America from Muslim lands," it said.
AQAP, mostly militants mainly from Yemen and Saudi Arabia, is regarded by the United States as the most dangerous branch of the network founded by Osama bin Laden.
The group has used Yemen, a key regional U.S. ally, to plot attacks on the United States. Washington has backed a Yemeni army campaign that drove al Qaeda and its allies from their southern stronghold this year.
Muslims have blamed the U.S. government for the amateurish film of obscure origin. Washington has condemned the film and said it does not condone any insult to any religion.
Praising the attacks by angry demonstrators in Libya, Egypt, Yemen and Sudan on U.S. and other Western missions as "natural responses to a huge insult", the statement said that American embassies should be burned and diplomats killed.
It said defending the Prophet's honor was a "religious duty and obligation to the Muslim nation, each according to his ability".
The group also said that Muslims living in the West have an extra duty to be involved in attacks on key targets.
"They are more capable of doing harm and reaching the enemy is easier for them," it said.
Impoverished Yemen is struggling against challenges on many fronts since mass protests forced president Ali Abdullah Saleh to step down last year after decades in power.
The United States, eager to help the country recover from the upheaval that has pushed it to the brink of collapse, has said it would provide $345 million in security, humanitarian and development aid this year, more than double last year.
 

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I am really suprised Pakistan has behaved so well thru all this.
Three possibilities:
a) There's been a lot of bad blood lately, so Pakis are cautious.
b) They have their hands full of enough domestic issues to bother about what movie is not digested by whom.
c) Some big dollars are in pipeline and hence the "yours obediently" across all Paki power centers move only to wag their tails.

:hmm: Which one do you think?

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