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U. S. Deep State

This thread is to discuss the Deep State of the United States of America.

The first question is, what is a Deep State? Peter Dale Scott sums it up in this article entitled “The ‘Deep State’ behind U.S. democracy,” where he says:

The term “Deep state” comes from Turkey. They invented it after the wreck of a speeding Mercedes in 1996 in which the passengers were a Member of Parliament, a beauty queen, a local senior police captain, and an important drug trafficker in Turkey who was also the head of a criminal paramilitary organization – the Grey Wolves – that went around killing people. And it became very obvious in Turkey that there were a covert relationship between the police who officially were looking for this man – even though a policeman was there with him in the car – and these people who committed crimes on behalf of the state. The state that you commit crimes for is not a state that can show its hand to the people, it’s a hidden state, a covert structure.
The recent election of Donald J. Trump as the President of the United States of America had brought about much relief to many people, both within and without the United States, because he was seen as an outsider and one who could change the status quo politics at Washington, D. C., also referred to as “Foggy Bottom.”

He had campaigned on an America First slogan, pledged to take the United States out of foreign military involvement, and focus on domestic development.

However, the most surprising move by President Trump was his attack on the Syrian Government after a chemical attack carried out by as of yet unidentified miscreants that the United States decided to blame on the Syrian Government led by President Bashar al-Assad. It is interesting to note that this came after months of U. S. Mainstream Media attacks on President Trump insinuating he or his campaign had colluded with the Russian Government. There have been reports, that have remained largely drowned in the Mainstream Media Blitzkrieg, that have documented the lack of evidence behind such claims of collusion, such as the one in a National Review article entitled “When Does All That Evidence of Collusion Arrive?” Another source, Breitbart, regardless of whether one agrees with several other things they espouse, pointed out the lack of evidence in the article entitled Dems, Media, Intel Folks Fall Into ‘No Evidence’ Column on Trump Campaign Collusion with Russia.”

In an interesting discussion between Tucker Carlson of Fox News and Stephen Cohen, where the latter talks about the “Fourth Branch of the Government,”

and about the “American Warfare Party.”

A similar comment about the “Deep State” was made by former Congressman Dennis Kucinich during a discussion with Sean Hannity of Fox News.

U.S. Army Reserve Lieutenant Colonel Tony Shaffer told Lou Dobbs of Fox News about the “Deep State” when referring to leaks about a memo by former F. B. I. Director James Comey reported by the New York Times, when in fact, they have not seen the memo.


The pertinent question now is, what caused this volte-face on part of President Trump? Is there indeed a Deep State in the United States? Did they threaten President Trump? Was President Kennedy also threatened by the Deep State, which he defied to his own demise?

These are some pertinent questions for discussion.

Disclosure: Opening post retroactively opened.
 
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What i am not able to understand are you saying this is the handiwork of USA ....:eek1::eek1: on a former ally who called former president son of whore ...If obama did this i can expect he wanted revenge but trump ordering the arming of Abu sayyaf militants and creating Islamic state ...

By the weapons these guys are carrying don t look like some madrasa chaps suddenly become ISIS looks like properly funded trained and equipped ..

So is this Trumps Gift for Putin for helping him become US president but indirectly lifting the Russian economy by supplying arms to Philippines now after syria ...Or its the other way around dragging russian into every conflict from West to east and stretching its resources very badly ....

Final note : We are in big soup if this is what deep state can do with states like kerala,WB,MP and UP having very high number of madrasas funded my Saudi wahabissim we will get fucked any given day if we mess with US ...
 

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What i am not able to understand are you saying this is the handiwork of USA ....:eek1::eek1: on a former ally who called former president son of whore ...If obama did this i can expect he wanted revenge but trump ordering the arming of Abu sayyaf militants and creating Islamic state ...
Presidents don't have much say, deep state has full control of US foreign policy.

By the weapons these guys are carrying don t look like some madrasa chaps suddenly become ISIS looks like properly funded trained and equipped ..
These aren't ordinery madresas they are sleeper cells disquised as madresas. their equipment comes from Uncle and training happens in Ummah.

So is this Trumps Gift for Putin for helping him become US president but indirectly lifting the Russian economy by supplying arms to Philippines now after syria ...Or its the other way around dragging russian into every conflict from West to east and stretching its resources very badly ....
Please understand that democrats saying "we didn't loose Putin rigged election election" is like our sikulars saying "we didn't loose Modi rigged EVMs". There is no evidence behind it. Yes, In the beginning Trump was Russia leaning but because of his pure geopolitical ignorance.

Final note : We are in big soup if this is what deep state can do with states like kerala,WB,MP and UP having very high number of madrasas funded my Saudi wahabissim we will get fucked any given day if we mess with US ...

US-Saudi nexus uses jihadis to take over small countries with limited military and intelligence capabilities. This tactic doesn't work in large and powerful countries like India
instead they use liberal propaganda, human rights, etc. but thats different debate all together.
 

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Wow so JFK was killed by the deep state :eek1::eek1: i need to do some lots of research on the US and what are the chances the deepstate want to use india as its next cash cow and milk some Dollars out of it by creating ISIS here ??

US companies are milking cash from huge Indian market already. Their trade with us doesn't relay on weapons sale.

Edit : i think we will get into direct conflict with deepstate if we go for war with Pakistan as their are their favourite child who they feed with Arms Aid and Funds ...
Pakistan is no favourite child of deep state anymore, certainly not after their backstabbing in Afghanistan, hiding Osama and joining CPEC. The reason why we have recently became so much adventurous against Pakis is because of assurance from Deep state. So don't worry, we will do just fine.
 

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Wow so JFK was killed by the deep state :eek1::eek1: i need to do some lots of research on the US and what are the chances the deepstate want to use india as its next cash cow and milk some Dollars out of it by creating ISIS here ??

Edit : i think we will get into direct conflict with deepstate if we go for war with Pakistan as their are their favourite child who they feed with Arms Aid and Funds ...
I did a lot of research on JFK assassination, read a lot of books too, but with the advent of internet it's all out in the open. The elites especially the Bush family and the Casino mafia overlords killed JFK by not 2 shooters but a total of 12. The killing blow was made by not the person near the picket fence but a teenager shot JFK delivering the killing blow from the manhole nearby the road. Witnesses saw a teenager with all dirt in sizzling summer and with a high powered rifle, the policeman near the JFKs buggy was seen to peep inside the manhole, later Federal agency told him to shut up, they did to many and even made people disappear. The so called elites (deep state) knew that JFK would about to pass a bill that would put military industrial complex under state owned property and control and that the federal bank would only speak the language of what presidents would deem fit.

Later Bush senior was seen at the crime scene and the hospital where JFK was taken. The night before JFK's assassination ... they all had a party in the nearby mansion. One of the shooters mistress was there and later admitted that his boyfriend and a team of mafia hitmans along with Bush Sr. were talking about replacing the body that could give any evidences about the bullet and it's trajectory.

Even Jackie wrote in her book that "they killed him, his son and they will do everything in there power to elect a state representative which would either be a clown or an actor which do the bidding of the men residing in the high castle".

EHMs are now placed in every country, including our's too ... the likes of we have seen in Kargil war when they decided to not sell us laser guided munitions.
 

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What i am not able to understand are you saying this is the handiwork of USA ....:eek1::eek1: on a former ally who called former president son of whore ...If obama did this i can expect he wanted revenge but trump ordering the arming of Abu sayyaf militants and creating Islamic state ...

By the weapons these guys are carrying don t look like some madrasa chaps suddenly become ISIS looks like properly funded trained and equipped ..

So is this Trumps Gift for Putin for helping him become US president but indirectly lifting the Russian economy by supplying arms to Philippines now after syria ...Or its the other way around dragging russian into every conflict from West to east and stretching its resources very badly ....

Final note : We are in big soup if this is what deep state can do with states like kerala,WB,MP and UP having very high number of madrasas funded my Saudi wahabissim we will get fucked any given day if we mess with US ...
We are speculating.

I might as well be wrong.

What we do know is that Philippines has been distancing itself from USA and getting closer to PRC. For whatever reason, real or imagined, Duterte does not trust the USA.

Side note: Taiwan did the same thing back in the day. They developed relationships with PRC so as to lessen tensions. They realized the USA could do little if PRC actually invaded Taiwan. This is what I heard from my former landlord, who is native born Taiwanese, and a veteran of the US Navy.
 

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Wow so JFK was killed by the deep state :eek1::eek1: i need to do some lots of research on the US and what are the chances the deepstate want to use india as its next cash cow and milk some Dollars out of it by creating ISIS here ??

Edit : i think we will get into direct conflict with deepstate if we go for war with Pakistan as their are their favourite child who they feed with Arms Aid and Funds ...
Yep, he refused to provide air support after the Batista supporters invaded Cuba on the instructions of the CIA.

Kennedy was sympathetic to India. The Deep State sought to forge friendship with PRC in light of the Sino-Soviet split. Many believe, including your's truly, it is the same Deep State that forced the US government to vote against India during the Indo-Portuguese War of 1961 which resulted in the liberation of Goa. It is the same Deep State that made Kennedy drag his feet when India sought military aircraft during the Sino-Indian War of 1962.

Edited to add: Portugal was part of NATO and Goa would have been a perfect base for the US Navy. Later on, they sought a base in Sri Lanka, which prompted Rajiv Gandhi to send the IPKF.

If we go to war with Pakistan, I am willing to bet both the USA and PRC will flood Pakistan with weapons, regardless of what they say to the press. Pakistan is a strategic asset for both, and Pakistan is smart enough to play both sides for its own benefit.

Excellent post @scatterStorm.
 
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So technically were are faaakkkkeeddd now and in future so we have to live with pakistan forever ....:frusty::frusty:

So USA and PRC will destroy the world for their wealth and live happily ..

Karma is a Bitch :rage:

Yep, he refused to provide air support after the Batista supporters invaded Cuba on the instructions of the CIA.

Kennedy was sympathetic to India. The Deep State sought to forge friendship with PRC in light of the Sino-Soviet split. Many believe, including your's truly, it is the same Deep State that forced the US government to vote against India during the Indo-Portuguese War of 1961 which resulted in the liberation of Goa. It is the same Deep State that made Kennedy drag his feet when India sought military aircraft during the Sino-Indian War of 1962.

If we go to war with Pakistan, I am willing to bet both the USA and PRC will flood Pakistan with weapons, regardless of what they say to the press. Pakistan is a strategic asset for both, and Pakistan is smart enough to play both sides for its own benefit.

Excellent post @scatterStorm.
 

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So technically were are faaakkkkeeddd now and in future so we have to live with pakistan forever ....:frusty::frusty:

So USA and PRC will destroy the world for their wealth and live happily ..

Karma is a Bitch :rage:
I have edited my post above to add some context to the Goa perspective.
 

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And he got assassinated for his hard stance against the US with the reason shown to the world being he sent the IPKF ....

US deep state had killed two of our PMs and Two senior Most Scientist and god knows how many unknown people ..

I have edited my post above to add some context to the Goa perspective.
 

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And he got assassinated for his hard stance against the US with the reason shown to the world being he sent the IPKF ....

US deep state had killed two of our PMs and Two senior Most Scientist and god knows how many unknown people ..
The US Deep State certainly did not like Rajiv Gandhi. Whether they had a hand in his assassination is unclear, but quite possible. Rajiv Gandhi, along with the Soviet Union, also supported Mohammed Najibullah while the CIA was arming the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. As the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989, Kashmir insurgency started. Pakistan diverted the battle hardened veterans of the Soviet-Mujahideen War to J&K.

Everything falls into place.
 

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We need to take back GB and PoK and cut off the Pak-PRC link. That is something we really need to think about
Sir I was talking about an end game scenario for India. GB shouldbe our top most priority but I'm snot sure if we are making any progress in that direction. Please share your thoughts on this

Baluchistan is a non starter. Iran won't support it. Baloch nationalists not only want freedom from Pakistan, they want Greater Baluchistan, which includes Sistan-Baluchistan, which would threaten Iran's territorial integrity.
Unlike a lot of people in this forum, I actually do not want freedom for Baluchistan. IMHO that would be disastrously counterproductive for India. Baluchistan and lawless FATA are Pakistans open and festering wounds. They are th key to keeping Pakistan on the frying pan. Pakistan spends huge amounts of money, material and men in these areas. Not to mention the logistical headaches too. The longer these areas are kept on boil, the better for us. In the hypothetical scenario where Baluchistan gets freedom, a huge amount of pressure (money, men, material,logistics) is removed from pakistans chest and they will turn all their attention towards Kashmir. Unstable Baluchistan is absolutely required for keeping up pressure on Pakistan from multiple fronts. We should keep Baluchistan simmering as Long as possible. Without doing anything to break it from Pakistan. Breaking pakinstan should start with Sindh after getting GB and POK back.


P.S: please move this message to the appropriate thread if you feel it's out of place here.
 

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Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Svengali of Jimmy Carter’s Presidency, Is Dead, But the Evil Lives On
Brzezinski was an obsessive Russia-hater from the beginning to the end. His hatred had an impact which continues to be catastrophic for the rest of the world.


John Helmer | [SOURCE]




If ever there was a man who displayed on his face the evil on his mind, it was Zbigniew Brzezinski, (lead image, right) who died last week at a hospital near Washington.

Former President Jimmy Carter, who employed Brzezinski as his National Security Advisor between 1977 and 1981, the only high official post Brzezinski reached, said he “helped me set vital foreign policy goals, was a source of stimulation for the departments of defense and state, and everyone valued his opinion.” Of Carter’s three claims, only the first is true; the second is ironic hyperbole; the third is completely false. If Carter cannot tell the truth now about Brzezinski, after having 36 years to reflect on it, Carter reveals the principal source of Brzezisnki’s power, when he exercised it. For Carter was no innocent ventriloquized by the evil Svengali (lead image, left), as in the original Svengali tale. Carter was simply a bigger and more mendacious fool than Brzezinski, and is entirely to blame for doing what Brzezinski told him to do.

Brzezinski was an obsessive Russia-hater from the beginning to the end. That led to the monumental failures of Carter’s term in office; the hatreds Brzezinski released had an impact which continues to be catastrophic for the rest of the world.


Carter and Brzezinski in Carter’s study, six weeks into the presidential term -- April 19, 1977.

To Brzezinski goes the credit for starting the organization, financing and armament of the mujahideen, the Islamic fundamentalists who have metastasized -- with US money and arms still -- into Islamic terrorist armies operating far from Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Brzezinski started them off. Only today, Russia – the target of Brzezinski’s scheming -- is relatively better prepared and safer from the terrorists than the countries of western Europe and the US itself.

To Brzezinski also goes the credit for projecting Iran on to its nuclear-armed path against the Great Satan and US allies in the Middle East, making the sunni-shia sectarian division into a cause of international war which it was not, before Brzezinski began. That it was not is due to the power of the secular Arab leaders to sustain an alternative to religion for governance. Brzezinski’s idea was to target them as Kremlin stooges and overthrow them. To Brzezinski also goes the credit for releasing Israeli ambition under Menachem Begin and his successors on the Israeli right; the promotion of Egyptian corruption and weakness under Anwar Sadat and his successors; and the destruction of the Palestinians.


Left: Sadat standing up, with Begin and Carter at the signing of the Camp David accords, September 17, 1978. Right, Sadat’s downfall in Cairo at the Egyptian Army’s annual victory parade, October 6, 1981.

In Carter’s obituary, he also gives Brzezinski the credit for “an essential role” in two other achievements Carter still claims for himself: “normalization of relations with China [and the] signing of the SALT II treaty.” Carter is exaggerating the little he did, after his predecessors Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford had initiated and negotiated the terms for both. Carter says nothing about his failure to influence the course of US nuclear weapon designs that continue to evolve unhindered, and the schemes of first-strike war-fighting against both Russia and China which are virtual, if not quite stated US policy today.

Brzezinski thought he knew how and why to start war against Russia. But he couldn’t calculate more than two or three moves ahead, before his adversary’s tactics failed to meet Brzezinski’s strategic anticipation. He didn’t know what to do when outwitted several moves along in his strategic plan. He didn’t comprehend how to end wars he started but couldn’t win. Never-ending war was Brzezinski’s monomania – he had a clinical case of the pathology. It ventriloquized into Carter’s blind stupidity.

Read Carter’s statement on Brzezinski again for a glimmer of light; click. Apart from the reference Carter makes first to his wife Rosalynn’s views, there is no illumination. In 1977 Rosalynn Carter had different views from her husband’s, but regarding Brzezinski and others in the Carter White House, she never dared to express them in public. On pain of instant dismissal nor did anyone else in the White House then. And there were no leaks.


Rosalynn and Jimmy Carter, February 1979.

If not for Carter, Brzezinski would have remained the marginal voice he was before and after the four-year Carter term. From the start of that term, in the first six months of 1977, Carter was also warned explicitly by his own staff, inside the White House and working on his confidential instruction, not to allow Brzezinski to dominate his policy-making to the exclusion of all other advice, and the erasure of the evidence on which the advice was based.

I know this because I was a member of the staff in those days. I know because I drafted the terms of a series of staff investigations which Carter requested and then authorized of how the advice he was receiving at his desk was influencing the choices and policy options he had to decide – memoranda from the cabinet departments, briefs from the intelligence agencies, and commentaries from different elements of the White House organization itself.

The investigation of two of Brzezinski’s policy recommendations to Carter was assigned to a US Airforce officer on secondment to the White House staff at the time, Len Vernamonti; and to me. We were part of a group of 25 titled the President’s Reorganization Project (PRP). Our offices were in the New Executive Office Building, the red-brick structure across the street from the State, War and Navy Building, aka the Old Executive Office Building (OEOB); in Mark Twain’s epithet, the ugliest building in America. Twain was referring to what the inhabitants of the building did, not to the exterior or interior decoration, which was grand. Brzezinski’s staff operated in the OEOB. He himself, like his predecessors, kept his own office in the West Wing of the White House, diagonally across the lobby from the Oval Office and Carter’s personal study.




The PRP, a Carter election campaign invention unprecedented in White House history, had the job of preparing a study for the president on how his White House operations might be organized to expand his policy choices, enlarge the evidence available for him to read – Carter was very keen on reading -- anticipate consequences, and curb bureaucratic empire building outside the Oval Office. The staff had mostly come, as had I, from Carter’s campaign advisors. Major Vernamonti, as he was then, had come to the PRP by secondment and by chance.

The idea of reorganization at the top of the US government bureaucracy wasn’t novel; it most often accompanied incoming presidents whose party had been out of office for a long time and who wanted to purge non-loyalists and find jobs for their own people. But the idea of opening up the president’s files and reassessing the decisions he had made in his first six months had never been attempted before.

Military, intelligence and foreign policy topics were off-limits because of the classification and security clearances required, so the PRP focused on domestic policymaking. In organizational management terms, they amounted to the same thing. We compiled a list of topics for investigation from among the public and private priorities of the new administration; Carter was asked to select which he wanted us to study. About 30 topics were selected; two were assigned to each of a dozen two-man teams. By Carter’s order, we had authority to open all files, including those of the National Security Council (NSC). Bzezinski didn’t like that; he resisted; he lost the first round

The subjects of the Brzezinski investigation remain classified. It’s exactly 40 years since I last saw the papers. They were secret at the time, but there was a deeper, darker secret.

When Vernamonti and I had written up our two reports, we concluded that Brzezinski had been deliberately and systematically misinforming and misleading Carter in his policy memoranda. He withheld evidence; mistook or misrepresented what other officials and their agencies were saying; and manipulated the decision and action tails of his memoranda, so that Carter would think he had little option but to do what Brzezinski told him to choose. Our job, Carter had told us when we commenced work, was to spot the fox in the hen house, and warn him before there were fatal consequences. He had been a Navy officer and a submariner; also the Georgia State governor. So he knew about the pathologies of command and control; he also knew about fatal consequences. But neither he nor we anticipated that the fox would turn out to be Brzezinski, nor the chicken turn out to be Carter himself.

No president had ever been presented with such a stark analysis of his own reading of papers and his own decision-making. I knew that because I had consulted with senior White House staff directors going back to Franklin Roosevelt’s time.

The recommendations Vernamonti and I drew from the decision-making research were revolutionary. We proposed that Carter retain a personal national security advisor with a staff restricted to sub-advisors amounting to less than a score. The large NSC bureaucracy, growing across the driveway in the OEOB, was to be broken up and returned to the mainline departments. Our idea was that the National Security Advisor would be restricted to being just that – an advisor in a staff function. Line command and control, which McGeorge Bundy started with President John Kennedy in 1961, and Henry Kissinger perfected under Richard Nixon between 1969 and 1975, was to be halted because it encouraged a government-wide war for the president’s mind, which usually ended badly – not for the advisor but for the president.

There were more than 300 pages in the final PRP report, including the executive summary and the recommendations, plus the case studies. Brzezinski got early warning of the studies, and then received the drafts, plus a copy of the cover memorandum with recommendations. He saw at once the danger, and went to work on our superiors. The upshot was that on the weekend before our staff was due to present the report to Carter at a White House meeting, and answer his questions, Vernamonti and I were called in to an urgent meeting with the PRP leader, and his superior, Harrison Wellford.

Like several of us on the staff, Wellford was a Harvard graduate, with an equable, jocular Massachusetts manner of dealing in tight spots. He describes his background on the Carter campaign and then on the presidential transition team of 1976 here. But on the day Wellford called Vernamonti and me into his office, Wellford was not his usual self. He made clear that Brzezinski was furious, and would not allow our conclusions to go to Carter. Wellford himself didn’t disagree with the evidence or the findings. He didn’t disagree with the recommendations either, he said. But he lacked the power to fight Brzezinski with Carter, he conceded.

In his encomium on Brzezinski’s death, Carter said last Friday: “Having studied Zbig’s impressive background and his scholarly and political writings, I called on him to advise me on foreign policy issues during my first presidential campaign. I liked him immediately, and we developed an excellent personal relationship.” That much is true. Carter also remembers: “He was brilliant, dedicated, and loyal.” From the Harvard point of view, the first adjective was unexceptional – there are hundreds and thousands of “brilliant” Harvard graduates; about a dozen of them in the Carter White House. But dedicated and loyal Brzezinski was solely to himself – not to Carter nor the presidency he had been elected to run. Brzezinski’s choices were among the reasons Carter was defeated in the landslide election of November 1980.

But that’s getting ahead of our little tale. Wellford told Vernamonti and me he had no choice but to give us strict orders for the meeting scheduled the following week with Carter. Our case studies might, he said, be included in the tabs to the PRP briefing book we would present to the president. But the conclusions, and the recommendations for reform of the National Security Council, would be eliminated. Then Wellford added an ultimatum: Vernamonti and I would be allowed to sit at the meeting with Carter. But we were to say nothing unless Carter spoke to us. If that happened, we were not to mention our recommendations on Brzezinski. If we did that, we would both be fired instantly. That would have meant the end of Vernamonti’s airforce career.

Wellford added this was a secret we were not to tell to anyone.

The upshot was this. Wellford, plus the PRP team leader (a Georgian like Carter whose name I’ve forgotten), the others on our staff; Vernamonti and I met with Carter to present our report. The meeting took place in the Cabinet Room. Vernamonti and I sat to the right of our superiors; Carter was across the table, his back to the windows. Brzezinski was present, along with other senior White House staff advisors of the day. The big briefing book lay in front of the president. He spoke of congratulations for the originality and painstaking work we had done, and promised to read every word. He asked questions, but not of Vernamonti or me. We stayed shtum. We walked out keeping our jobs, as did everyone else, especially Brzezinski.

Our defeat stayed secret for years. Ours was not the nail for want of which the shoe was lost, the horse, the knight, the battle, etc. There were many other nails, shoes, horses and knights lost, starting with Secretary of State Cyrus Vance, but he died in 2002 without telling his tales. Carter, however, did lose his kingdom, ignominiously. That still stings with him. Vernamonti (pictured recently, below left) went on to a brilliant USAF career, managing the purse which paid for US ballistic missile programs. Wellford (right) has managed the legal side of some of the largest energy businesses in the US.



Many years later, after the New York Times reported how thorough and effective Carter’s reorganization of the White House had been, I responded with a letter detailing part of the Brzezinski record of 1977. I omitted Vernamonti’s name, in case he was still in the Air Force; I included Wellford’s. The letter was cued to be published, according to a Times editor who telephoned to check a couple of name-spellings and dates. But the letter never appeared. I was told by the Times that in advance of publication, Brzezinski was shown the text, and he commanded that it not appear. The newspaper did what it was told.

Brzezinski is not the only Russia-hater of extraction from the minor Polish nobility to make a career of his monomania. For more of what he and Carter failed to achieve in Syria, read this. For the other Polish monomaniac of recent times, Radoslaw Sikorski, read more.

Brzezinski is the only national security advisor in American history to succeed at mesmerizing his president into singing his songs, as the character of Svengali did to Trilby O’Ferrall, an Irish working girl, in the best-selling novel of 1894 by George du Maurier.

Carter is mesmerized still. Without Carter, Brzezinski would have remained an inconsequential academic among many contending to be heard. Carter gave the power of the White House stage to Brzezinski’s voice. The ruin which has followed is Brzezinski’s evil, but the evil-doing, that’s Carter’s fault.

Source: Dances With Bears
 

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If we go to war with Pakistan, I am willing to bet both the USA and PRC will flood Pakistan with weapons, regardless of what they say to the press. Pakistan is a strategic asset for both, and Pakistan is smart enough to play both sides for its own benefit.
Pakistan will get weapons from both even if they don't play any cards. Access to the land which Pakistan rests on will give privileged commercial access and military access to multiple regional powers.

@Krusty Balochistan represents 44% of the land territory of Pakistan and 56% of its energy needs. In fact, of all the oil that Balochistan produces, 80% is sent to Sindh and Punjab. It has become the backbone of Pakistan's economy. This in itself is massive. Taking away this aspect alone can cut Pakistan to size.

But wait, there's more..

The land itself sits on strategic ground, with access to major regional powers, Iran, Afghanistan and an open access to the Arabian Sea.

If you cut it away from Pakistan, they lose half of their oil, half of their land, and their access to Iran, thereby losing half of their influence on the negotiating table with the US (a Pakistan with no access to Iran is useless to USA).

For these reasons, it is important that Balochistan be separated from Pakistan. What happens to it later is a different issue which can be tackled as the situation evolves. Independence is not the only option, it can be annexed by Iran, parts of it can be absorbed into Pakthoonistan, and it can become a vassal state of India, without annexing it.

Pakistan spends huge amounts of money, material and men in these areas.
No it doesn't. Balochistan gets only 4% of what it produces, rest is sent to Sindh and Punjab. Pakistan is not spending anything on 'logistics' in Balochistan. If you take 100 rupees from someone and give them 4 rupees back, it doesn't mean they are spending 4 rupees. It's a net profit of 96 rupees.

Baluchistan gets freedom, a huge amount of pressure (money, men, material,logistics) is removed from pakistans chest and they will turn all their attention towards Kashmir.
This is cyclic logic. Balochistan itself is a source of money and material to Pakistan. They are getting 20X what they are spending there. With Balochistan gone, the Pakistani deep state will have LESS resources at its disposal, not more.

Whatever the US says, the deep state will prefer to negotiate with a weaker nation like Balochistan than a nuclear goon like Pakistan. With an independent Balochistan, the US gets the same strategic advantage as it did with Pakistan (access to Iran, Afghanistan and sea ports), plus their oil companies will be able to start extraction and start competing with Iran, Saudi, plus US Navy gets to keep China out of Arabian sea. The hard geostrategic dividends of a free Balochistan are not lost on the US deep state and like all their previous engagements where they said one thing and did another, they are likely to be onboard the Balochistan plan.

The US deep state wants to take out Iran because it is competing with their vassal state Saudi Arabia and it is hurting their oil profits. The US deep state can expect limited to no help from Pakistani establishment against Iran, except a few co-opted ISI officials, the establishment is aware that full war against Iran will lead to a Shia-Sunni war inside Pakistan.

The US deep state wants a free Balochistan but in its public communications, it puts up a false persona and makes it look as if they want to keep India away. If the US wants a permanent foothold in Asia, it will be Balochistan. Pakistan is too unstable and needs too much bribes to sustain.
 

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The US deep state wants to take out Iran because it is competing with their vassal state Saudi Arabia and it is hurting their oil profits.
It is usa itself which is hurting everyones oil profit. Shale Revolution has bought cost of production down to 40-45$ per barrel while Arabs need 45$ per barrel to even break-even.

Now unless Arab found some way to reduce production costs they are in deep trouble.

USA while self sufficient in oil production still imports a lot of Saudi oil and exports its own shale oil on short term contracts.

Iran is enemy not because of oil but because usa deep state can't find enough access to powerbrokers in Tehran after Islamic revolution.
 

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If there indeed is a deep state, I think we are over estimating what it can do and what it can't.
There are simply too many contradictions and too many variables for this to be hidden for so long and still be so powerful.
 

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