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Jan 2021 Modi latest ratings at 75% some amreekan firm.
He has just started his term. Timing is impeccable, vaccine is being rolled out, economy is coming out of lockdown, Government is fuelling bubble by printing money and media (mainstream and social both) is in their complete control. He must be a huge duffer if people have already started disliking him so much.
 

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Why does the deepening Indo-US friendship puzzle so many?

Not only has the foreign policy elite been unduly suspicious of the US, it has also misjudged India’s agency in shaping the relationship.


Written by C. Raja Mohan |
March 9, 2021 3:00:12 am

India’s expanding partnership with the US is marked by a fascinating political puzzle. The relationship has advanced by leaps and bounds even as doubters dominate the public discourse in both Delhi and Washington. The latest evidence comes from the quickening pace of diplomatic engagement between the two capitals.

For months, analysts in Delhi and Washington told us to expect a slowdown, if not setbacks, under the Joe Biden presidency. What we have instead is the likely elevation of the strategic partnership at the first-ever summit of the Quad nations scheduled for this week.

The Quad, or the quadrilateral security dialogue, brings India and the US together along with Washington’s longstanding treaty-allies, Australia and Japan. That the Quad is meeting at the summit level, well before Biden has spent two months at the White House, underlines the growing gap between our foreign policy debate and policy.

The roots of this problem, on the Indian side at least, lie in the enduring reluctance of Delhi’s foreign policy community to either acknowledge or accept the unfolding transformation of India’s ties with the US. It also rests in the continuing underestimation of Delhi’s capacity to rework its great power relations to meet India’s changing interests and circumstances. Consider, for example, some of the recent lines of the argument on India-US relations. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, it was said, made a big mistake by investing far too much in engaging Trump and that Biden would neither forget nor forgive.

The Democratic Party’s strong concerns on human rights, it was argued, were bound to undermine US ties with the Modi government. It was widely held that the Indo-Pacific and the Quad will become footnotes in Biden’s foreign policy. This in turn was based on the bet that Biden is likely to embrace China rather than confront it in the manner that Trump did. All these assumptions turned out to be inaccurate.

Biden has far too much on his plate at home and in the world to pick on the international friends of Trump. Biden has been in Washington long enough — for nearly half a century before he became President — to know that the international outreach to Trump was about sustaining the partnerships with the US at a difficult moment.

Concern for democracy and human rights has always been part of US foreign policy ideology. But to believe that they will define America’s engagement with India required a leap of faith. No state, not even a revolutionary one, can run its foreign policy on a single-point agenda. All chancelleries need to balance competing interests.

Biden has signalled more continuity than discontinuity with Trump’s China policy. He affirmed continuing commitment to the Indo-Pacific and the Quad. The foreign ministers of the Quad were quick to convene digitally and the summit appears a natural next step.

Analysis of international dynamics, especially at a time of fluidity, does not lend itself to easy assessments. Yet, a focus on structural trends does give us a sense of where major powers relations might be headed. India-US relations have been on a steady upward trajectory over the last three decades, withstood significant political transitions in both countries, and managed to overcome many difficult barriers.

The US is now India’s most comprehensive partner. The Russia relationship is long on defence but short on commerce. India’s commercial ties with China are large, but tilted heavily in Beijing’s favour; meanwhile, Delhi’s political trust in Beijing has evaporated amidst China’s aggressive antics on the contested boundary. Collective Europe is big on commerce but small on security cooperation. The US has a sizeable presence in both economic and security dimensions and the political common ground with India has steadily expanded.

Why, then, the persistent doubts in Delhi about the US partnership? One part of it is the ingrained ideological bias in the dominant foreign policy elite. It was generous to a fault when it came to assessing China’s interests and motivations, but always unduly suspicious of America.

But official Delhi has moved away from the legacy of anti-Americanism. The popular opinion — or the “street” as External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar calls it — has been enthusiastic about the partnership with the US. Delhi’s stilted debate on the US is, unfortunately, reinforced by the sad absence of investment in institutional capabilities to study American politics, economics and international relations.

Even as it continuously misjudged the US, the Indian foreign policy elite has not appreciated India’s agency to shape the relationship with America. The conviction that Delhi is perennially under US pressure to accept policies harmful for itself further distorts the discourse in the media and among the chattering classes.

The evidence from the 1990s — one of India’s most vulnerable moments after Independence — should have corrected this misperception. A series of weak coalition governments deflected the Clinton administration’s attempts to force a Kashmir settlement with Pakistan. Delhi defied the US pressure to roll back the nuclear and missile programmes, conducted nuclear tests, and began a serious diplomatic effort at bridging the prolonged atomic divergence.

Much water has flown in the Yamuna and Potomac since then; but the dominant discourse remains stuck in a groove. If Delhi negotiates a ceasefire with Rawalpindi, it is assumed that the Biden administration must have played a role. If Delhi sees value in the “Indo-Pacific” construct, it must be under American pressure. The traditional discourse finds it hard to come to terms with the twin factors shaping India’s new approach.

One is the significant increase in India’s material capabilities. India’s aggregate GDP increased ten-fold between 1990 ($270 billion) and 2020 (about $2,700 billion) and pushed it into the world’s top five economies. These relative gains have immensely expanded India’s geopolitical possibilities.

Equally important is the new political will in Delhi. The UPA government (2004-14) made such heavy weather of the historic initiatives it had signed with the US in mid-2005. It struggled to implement the nuclear deal and started walking back from the framework for defence cooperation.

The NDA government, in power since 2014, had the political will to build on the US initiatives launched by the UPA government. The new India no longer wrings its hands in dealing with the US; it relishes the large room for strategic bargaining with America. Even more important, Delhi is no longer a reluctant partner to Washington. Over the last three years, it revived the Quad, shaped the coalition’s approach to strategic connectivity, and has demonstrated its leadership in vaccine diplomacy. Delhi is now well-positioned to raise the Quad agenda to a higher level at the digital summit of its leaders this week.

The writer is director, Institute of South Asian Studies, National University of Singapore and contributing editor on international affairs for The Indian Express

 

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"And some in India, in their dislike for the ruling dispensation, have actually gone so far as to advise Washington to challenge the Indian government on internal matters", says Harsh V Pant. A tendency unique to India among the major powers

It always has been , the peshwa of ahmadnaagr in his dislike of chandbibi.
Gladly invited moghuls, later he himself went into hiding after realising his mistake about the invitation of mughals in deccan.
Shahazada murad came along from burhanpur and then the deccan quagmire started.
 

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Visit of US Secretary of Defence to India


Posted On: 10 MAR 2021 7:41PM by PIB Delhi



Secretary of Defence of United States of America, General Lloyd J Austin will visit India from 19 to 21 March 2021. During his visit, Secretary Austin is expected to meet Raksha Mantri Shri Rajnath Singh and other senior dignitaries of the Government of India.


Both Sides are expected to discuss ways to further strengthen bilateral defence cooperation and exchange views on regional security challenges and common interests in maintaining a free, open and inclusive Indo-Pacific region. Discussions regarding defence cooperation would also focus on how both countries could consolidate military-to-military cooperation and defence trade and industry cooperation.


Secretary Austin’s visit to India as part of his first overseas travel emphasizes the strength of the India-US strategic partnership.
 

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He has just started his term. Timing is impeccable, vaccine is being rolled out, economy is coming out of lockdown, Government is fuelling bubble by printing money and media (mainstream and social both) is in their complete control. He must be a huge duffer if people have already started disliking him so much.
Petrol prices, "farmer" protest, crashing economy(in the eyes of mango man), and constant propaganda against him, have only managed to bring it down to 75%. If he brings the economy back on track(more PLI, more constancy in taxes, more reforms), handles the M's well, crushes the other protests before they are born and continues his performance in handling the pandemic, it will easily increase.
 

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美国是世界上流行病最多的国家。没有办法控制这种流行病。许多大洲的领导人都在哀叹美国政府的不作为,他们并未考虑每个人的感受。
Make your point. US is shit. We know that. It will most likely explode at some point. Difficult to predict when. Barbarians don't build nations, they ravage it.

America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde
 

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India To Make J&J's Single-Dose COVID-19 Vaccine Under Quad Initiative To Help Countries In Indo-Pacific Region: Report
by Swarajya Staff-Mar 12, 2021 10:01 AM

In a major development, India will be manufacturing the single-dose COVID-19 vaccine developed by United States (US) based pharmaceutical giant Johnson & Johnson (J&J) as part of the first Quad vaccine initiative, reports Times of India.
The entire project will be financed by Japan and the US, while Australia will chip in its logistics capabilities to ship the Made in India vaccines to Southeast Asia and Pacific nations. India's role in the entire initiative will project and reinforce the country's credentials as a trustworthy and reliable manufacturer and supplier of quality vaccines.
The move will also bolster India's standing as the "pharmacy of the world".
The development comes as the four nations in the Quad grouping are set to hold their maiden leaders' summit today (12 March), wherein Prime Ministers (PMs) Narendra Modi, Yoshihide Suga, Scott Morrison and President Joe Biden will be coming together to pursue and advance mutual interests.
The maiden Quad leaders' summit also gains significance as it would mark one of the earliest multi-lateral summits by the new administration in the US led by President Biden. Before this, President Biden has only held a virtual meeting of the G-7 block of nations.

 

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It is time to call out bluff on this nonsense that West/America is invested in India’s rise. Or to put it more palatably as DC think tankers do ‘America wants India to rise and be successful because why wouldn’t they’. Let’s analyze this in detail.

Which countries has America ‘allowed’ to rise? China?Because they love Chinese? No.Because at one point they thought it was in their interest to send all manufacturing along with pollutants to China so that little Jack and Little Jill in Montana and Nebraska can breathe clean air

Of course China was allowed in WTO. Of course China was given a free pass on ‘human rights’ as defined by the US. Of course China was a friend. Well that lasted till the dragon actually started breathing fire and then America did not know what to do.

No DC think tank will write what a disaster it was to allow China to rise even when China never gave up on economic imperialism/acquisition of territory.Besides when China was allowed to rise & was a direct threat to India why did we not read about strengthening Indian democracy

So it is time to reject the BS that America has altruistic interests in any Country’s rise.Of course it doesn’t. And why should it?Foreign Policy is governed by national interests. Charity has no place in Foreign Policy. I mean it does but again if motivated by national interests

So coming back to the original question. Which countries has America ‘allowed’ to rise? Or let’s keep DC circuit happy- Rise of which countries has been ‘facilitated’ by America? :) The answer is - Either American military outposts or Larger market for America’s goods.Fair enough

India is an anomaly for America.Even when India was not as stable politically or economically,it refused to be America’s military outpost.And as far as economic cooperation is concerned, India (that was colonized by a trading company)has been cautious & has asked for reciprocity

Of course America does not like this. They want India to fall in ‘ally or enemy’ trap. India steadfastly has refused. America cannot dismiss India because well India is too big to be ignored and India now is a rising economic superpower.

So what can America do now to bully India into submission? Their familiar trope of being the vanguards of democracy and human rights. Remember America was exporting democracy to Middle East? What happened to that? Well.. Never mind :)

So the point here is America may perhaps want to facilitate India’s rise, but at what cost to India? India will rise because her people are fueled by ambition and desire to rise. India will also rise because it has a vibrant democracy that has all the safeguards built in.

It is in America’s interest to reach out to India as much as it is in India’s interests to cooperate with America. Net Net America is a positive force in the world. But this relation has to be of equals.This game of good cop, bad cop where DC think tankers are bad cops is amusing

India is equally worried of health of American democracy given the race riots and Capitol insurrection. But India trusts American institutions. As a fellow democratic nation, America should learn to trust India’s institutions and Indian people who have the power of vote.

Let this be a relationship of mutual respect and trust. It is okay to play games with your allies and enemies but with a vibrant and civilizational democracy like India, America should reset her Foreign Policy paradigm. Good for the US, India and rest of the planet - End.

 

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It is time to call out bluff on this nonsense that West/America is invested in India’s rise. Or to put it more palatably as DC think tankers do ‘America wants India to rise and be successful because why wouldn’t they’. Let’s analyze this in detail.

Which countries has America ‘allowed’ to rise? China?Because they love Chinese? No.Because at one point they thought it was in their interest to send all manufacturing along with pollutants to China so that little Jack and Little Jill in Montana and Nebraska can breathe clean air

Of course China was allowed in WTO. Of course China was given a free pass on ‘human rights’ as defined by the US. Of course China was a friend. Well that lasted till the dragon actually started breathing fire and then America did not know what to do.

No DC think tank will write what a disaster it was to allow China to rise even when China never gave up on economic imperialism/acquisition of territory.Besides when China was allowed to rise & was a direct threat to India why did we not read about strengthening Indian democracy

So it is time to reject the BS that America has altruistic interests in any Country’s rise.Of course it doesn’t. And why should it?Foreign Policy is governed by national interests. Charity has no place in Foreign Policy. I mean it does but again if motivated by national interests

So coming back to the original question. Which countries has America ‘allowed’ to rise? Or let’s keep DC circuit happy- Rise of which countries has been ‘facilitated’ by America? :) The answer is - Either American military outposts or Larger market for America’s goods.Fair enough

India is an anomaly for America.Even when India was not as stable politically or economically,it refused to be America’s military outpost.And as far as economic cooperation is concerned, India (that was colonized by a trading company)has been cautious & has asked for reciprocity

Of course America does not like this. They want India to fall in ‘ally or enemy’ trap. India steadfastly has refused. America cannot dismiss India because well India is too big to be ignored and India now is a rising economic superpower.

So what can America do now to bully India into submission? Their familiar trope of being the vanguards of democracy and human rights. Remember America was exporting democracy to Middle East? What happened to that? Well.. Never mind :)

So the point here is America may perhaps want to facilitate India’s rise, but at what cost to India? India will rise because her people are fueled by ambition and desire to rise. India will also rise because it has a vibrant democracy that has all the safeguards built in.

It is in America’s interest to reach out to India as much as it is in India’s interests to cooperate with America. Net Net America is a positive force in the world. But this relation has to be of equals.This game of good cop, bad cop where DC think tankers are bad cops is amusing

India is equally worried of health of American democracy given the race riots and Capitol insurrection. But India trusts American institutions. As a fellow democratic nation, America should learn to trust India’s institutions and Indian people who have the power of vote.

Let this be a relationship of mutual respect and trust. It is okay to play games with your allies and enemies but with a vibrant and civilizational democracy like India, America should reset her Foreign Policy paradigm. Good for the US, India and rest of the planet - End.

China should thank 911 and the Middle East chaos,ISIS, and the financial crisis. The United States has wasted too much time, and now it is too late.
The second point is that China is developing so fast that people do not respond to it,I don't think even the Chinese themselves thought it would be so fast. A previous report said why the China-EU investment agreement took so long to negotiate, because the pace of amendment of the agreement could not keep up with China's development speed.
From $3 trillion in 2007 to $15 trillion now, 5 times in 13 years.
Look at Japan and Europe know that the United States will not allow anyone to rise.
 

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China should thank 911 and the Middle East chaos,ISIS, and the financial crisis. The United States has wasted too much time, and now it is too late.
The second point is that China is developing so fast that people do not respond to it,I don't think even the Chinese themselves thought it would be so fast. A previous report said why the China-EU investment agreement took so long to negotiate, because the pace of amendment of the agreement could not keep up with China's development speed.
From $3 trillion in 2007 to $15 trillion now, 5 times in 13 years.
Look at Japan and Europe know that the United States will not allow anyone to rise.
don't think you grasped the crux of her argument, she is saying USA wanted china to grow and helped china quite a bit.
 

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don't think you grasped the crux of her argument, she is saying USA wanted china to grow and helped china quite a bit.
How can the United States want China to rise? The technological blockade against China has been in place since 1991.
America now wants India to rise, until might overtake the United States.In fact, who is the second, the United States will contain It.
Having beaten the European Union, the Soviet Union, and Japan , now it's China's turn.
 

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Must seize this opportunity to develop and balance between China and the United States. Absorb more technology from the United States and let China transfer less industries to Southeast Asia and more to India. Now Vietnam is becoming a small account of China economically,a lot of semi-finished products are imported from China and then exported to the United States,to avoid trade tax.Vietnam has seized this opportunity well, and its imports and exports will soar in the next two years.

In the first two months, imports and exports totaled 98.5 billion US dollars.

Vietnam imported 17.3 billion US dollars from China, accounting for 40% of the total imports. So now Vietnam is just a second economic ID of China.
 

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