Understanding China

[Azaad]

Gorbachev's thought provoking speech is a reminder to all countries with non-western values. View attachment 209326

What's the west got to do with the dissolution of the USSR ? It was the internal dynamics of the Communist Party & the ambition & greed of individual party apparatchiks which brought about the collapse. Something which scared the living daylights off the CCP in China.

 

[rockdog]

34 years on... Must be of your age group. @rockdog ; @SexyChineseLady

I was nine when it happened, not the capital city but the students in lines walked through our elementary school.

It needed to be confessed by CCP no doubt, i mean cracked down by PLA was big mistake, but if let those young students take the power, China would became worse.



I don't like CCP, doesn't mean I buy in chaotic democracy like India.

We might need 50 yrs to solve this issue.

 

[Illusive]

I don't like CCP, doesn't mean I buy in chaotic democracy like India.

Why you think India is a chaotic democracy as you put or do you confuse democracy with chaos ?

 

[SexyChineseLady]

I was nine when it happened, not the capital city but the students in lines walked through our elementary school.

It needed to be confessed by CCP no doubt, i mean cracked down by PLA was big mistake, but if let those young students take the power, China would became worse.



I don't like CCP, doesn't mean I buy in chaotic democracy like India.

We might need 50 yrs to solve this issue.

If we can change the CPC without bloodshed then I think a majority of Chinese people on all sides would be for it.

But we know it would be likely be chaos and destruction so why risk it? What happened in 1989 could have ended in a lot of ways. But whatever happened happened and China is infinitely wealthier today from Deng's reforms after the uprising. We have no idea what would have happened if the students got their way. It might or might not be better than today. But overall, it is pretty irrelevant to what we see today because what see today is the world's largest economy with its own space station and dominance in industries from cars to ships to new energy -- something they could never imagine back in 1984.

Those students in 1984 never saw what China became and how China has changed. If they knew that China would end up with the world's largest overseas college student population and the world's largest number of outbound tourists spending ever more money on travel than even Americans then I doubt they would have bothered protesting.

In 1984, they though China would remain poor and isolated like North Korea and wanted to become like the West as soon as possible. They didn't know about "color revolutions" back then and what happened to those countries afterwards. They didn't know what the US will do to Iraq and Syria.

 

[skywatcher]

Yup. China under great helmsman 2.0 is definitely in safe hands. After all great helmsman 1.0 gpt you so many wonderful achievements like elimination of the petit bourgeoisie like kulaks & merchants , redistribution of land accompanied by the 5 pests campaign , the great leap forward , the cultural revolution & the great purges in between all that which collectively led to anywhere between 50-100 million fatalities. So , India os definitely not a destination for a great people headed by an even greater helmsman whether version 1.0 or 2.0.

Imagine Mao ruled India. The traditional Indian society would be completely destroyed and reconstructed. Most of the upper class Brahmin & Kshatriya would be executed with no mercy. 10% of population would die and Mao still believes it's worth it. Mao would be defamed as a dictator by overseas Indian dissidents and Mao would reply:"I'm a dictator and I'm proud of it."

 

[Azaad]

Imagine Mao ruled India. The traditional Indian society would be completely destroyed and reconstructed. Most of the upper class Brahmin & Kshatriya would be executed with no mercy. 10% of population would die and Mao still believes it's worth it. Mao would be defamed as a dictator by overseas Indian dissidents and Mao would reply:"I'm a dictator and I'm proud of it."

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And the 50-100 million dead during the 5 pests campaign & the great leap forward would be a bonus. Btw for all his murderous schemes just to ensure he continued in power he couldn't even dismantle Chinese society . Apparently the roots were too old & deep for one Madman to wreck havoc. May China continue to get it's share of Maos. The present incumbent seems like the old one to be honest

 

[skywatcher]

What's the west got to do with the dissolution of the USSR ? It was the internal dynamics of the Communist Party & the ambition & greed of individual party apparatchiks which brought about the collapse. Something which scared the living daylights off the CCP in China.

Why? USSR was doing great if not compared to western countries.

 

[skywatcher]

If we can change the CPC without bloodshed then I think a majority of Chinese people on all sides would be for it.

But we know it would be likely be chaos and destruction so why risk it? What happened in 1989 could have ended in a lot of ways. But whatever happened happened and China is infinitely wealthier today from Deng's reforms after the uprising. We have no idea what would have happened if the students got their way. It might or might not be better than today. But overall, it is pretty irrelevant to what we see today because what see today is the world's largest economy with its own space station and dominance in industries from cars to ships to new energy -- something they could never imagine back in 1984.

Those students in 1984 never saw what China became and how China has changed. If they knew that China would end up with the world's largest overseas college student population and the world's largest number of outbound tourists spending ever more money on travel than even Americans then I doubt they would have bothered protesting.

In 1984, they though China would remain poor and isolated like North Korea and wanted to become like the West as soon as possible. They didn't know about "color revolutions" back then and what happened to those countries afterwards. They didn't know what the US will do to Iraq and Syria.

Deng completely derailed Mao's great plan of global communism.

 

[Azaad]

India needs a Mao-style leader badly.View attachment 209752

Right now you have a Mao style leader.

 

[Azaad]

Why? USSR was doing great if not compared to western countries.View attachment 209755

So why did it collapse , kid ?

 

[jai jaganath]

Imagine Mao ruled India. The traditional Indian society would be completely destroyed and reconstructed. Most of the upper class Brahmin & Kshatriya would be executed with no mercy. 10% of population would die and Mao still believes it's worth it. Mao would be defamed as a dictator by overseas Indian dissidents and Mao would reply:"I'm a dictator and I'm proud of it."

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Why upper caste what have they done
Those brahmins and kshatriya have safeguarded our civilization
And importantly speak what u know about not what u see through other's opinion
What do u even know regarding varna system
It's a system based on ur job not birth but it was Britishers who made it or turned it into birth system to cause division
Speaking shit should be stopped
We can't be u guys killing culture and civilization and multiple people

 

[jai jaganath]

India needs a Mao-style leader badly.View attachment 209752

Ur opinion is shit and ur retarded brain makes u write which u don't understand a bit
What brahmins or kshatriyas have done that vaishya or shudras haven't done and why should they get killed
Stop putting our bogus communist thinking here killing this section that section just for no purpose
Even then our country gives reservation to shudras or ST/SC or OBC or SEBC
Get some knowledge regarding this land before shitting here

 

[another_armchair]

Imagine Mao ruled India. The traditional Indian society would be completely destroyed and reconstructed. Most of the upper class Brahmin & Kshatriya would be executed with no mercy. 10% of population would die and Mao still believes it's worth it. Mao would be defamed as a dictator by overseas Indian dissidents and Mao would reply:"I'm a dictator and I'm proud of it."

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Don't blow your cover ... you are no Chinese.

 

[skywatcher]

So why did it collapse , kid ?

Has North Korea collapsed?

 

[Azaad]

Has North Korea collapsed? View attachment 209773

Then North Korea is the country China should be emulating .

 

[Overlord]

India needs a Mao-style leader badly.View attachment 209752

India neither worship (barring few commie piglets & retards) nor it needs genocidal maniacs like mao but vagina...I mean China surely needs Indians like me

 

[another_armchair]

India needs a Mao-style leader badly.View attachment 209752

Maoists tried and failed.

If these whet your appetite for dead maoist gore, I can help you with more.

 

[RocketMan]

I was nine when it happened, not the capital city but the students in lines walked through our elementary school.

It needed to be confessed by CCP no doubt, i mean cracked down by PLA was big mistake, but if let those young students take the power, China would became worse.



I don't like CCP, doesn't mean I buy in chaotic democracy like India.

We might need 50 yrs to solve this issue.

China & India are both civilizational entities & will remain so for thousands of years . Difference is Qin empire consolidated China during late bronze age & established a bureaucracy with meritocratic basis while India was organised as a decentralised confederation .

 

[skywatcher]

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Maoists tried and failed.

If these whet your appetite for dead maoist gore, I can help you with more.

You know Mao is an intellectual and theorist.

Maoism is against landlords and capitalists who are exploiting the peasants and workers.

I don't think the so-called Maoists you mentioned have anything to do with Mao.

 

[skywatcher]

Then North Korea is the country China should be emulating .

I'm just saying North Korea is a stable society even if it is more authoritarian than USSR. And North Korea's Juche system would run smoothly for hundreds of years if without direct foreign intervention..